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tal, (edited ) in What could my upstairs neighbor possibly be doing to make this much noise?
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I kind of wish that multi-unit housing came with sound isolation ratings. That’d create an incentive to have better isolation and help customers weigh the tradeoffs.

Brainsploosh,

There are standards for such ratings, and several countries have mandated minimums, which lead to longer and healthier lives.

AA5B, (edited )

This is part of my argument against the recent trend to allow bigger wood framed buildings, so they’re cheaper. There’s only so much you can do to soundproof a multi family house, but a large apartment building needs more. You know here’s higher risk of fires, flooding and damage just by having more people. You know statistically there will be noise issues. You can’t just pass the responsibility on the tenants when you know this will be a problem. Larger buildings should be required to be built in a way to protect tenants from this, ie. Not wood. They deserve at least as much consideration as the builder’s profits

yacht_boy,

Larger buildings are required to do this under IBC, and have been for many years. You can absolutely make a modern multifamily wood framed building quiet with proper design and construction.

There’s no perfect building material. Wood has issues. But concrete is terrible for the planet from a climate perspective and we’re rapidly running out of quality aggregate (especially sand) in many parts of the world. You can make a list of pros and cons about any other material, too.

Uranium3006,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

we need to put sound insulation into the building codes. it won't increase rents much since all the money's in the land anyways. personally I've never had an actual issue with noise form other units but I'll grant this to the people who do.

tal, (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I don’t really want to force a specific bottom limit on sound insulation, which is what that would do, though.

Some people won’t care as much as others relative to price and may not want to pay what it’d cost. And some people may want a much-quieter unit than any bottom limit would place.

The problem is that they can’t make an informed decision now because the information isn’t available.

intensely_human,

The problem is the information isn’t available. There’s no place to leave reviews of apartments. That seems like a no-brainer to me.

vividspecter,

Might be worth just mandating it since you can also fix thermal efficiency issues at the same time. And that affects everyone since poor thermal efficiency = more pressure on the electricity grid and increased risks of extreme cold and heat to individuals.

But transparency would certainly be better than nothing.

roofuskit,
@roofuskit@lemmy.world avatar

So just stick all the poor people with the paper thin walls?

intensely_human,

Pretty sure sound isolation is a factor in LEED rating

slowwooderrunsdeep,

It is, but LEED was kind of a flash-in-the-pan fad for tax breaks and hardly any developers strive for a LEED certificate anymore (exception I’ve seen is govt projects). the cost of LEED certification is too much for most developers to stomach.

Nowadays I mostly see LEED as an extra set of letters in a person’s email signature.

intensely_human,

Perhaps LEED should be replaced by a bunch of smaller certifications, each covering only a tiny subset.

It is nice to have one logo you can stick on a building, instead of lots of them. But after a little pushing it could be normalized to have a spot for multiple plaques near the entrance of a building, showing which certs it has earned.

Then you have a lower bar for entry and owners can choose a la carte what they want to strive for, and disregard the rest.

Like, a sound isolation rating on an apartment building would be a huge selling point. Have a certifying company that brings in big speakers and microphones and tests room-to-room sound conduction. Then you get a certification for the soundproofing.

I guess the nice thing about private cert authorities is anybody can just do this. It would take a while to get recognized but you could solve the two-sided marketplace problem pretty easily.

slowwooderrunsdeep,

LEED kinda works like that with the different levels. LEED Gold checks off requirements a, b, and c; LEED Platinum also includes d and e, etc. I’m not LEED accredited, though, so I can’t speak to the finer differences.

There is a new standard making headway called WELL Certification . I’m not sure the difference between this and LEED but I’d be interested to learn more one day.

yacht_boy,

First, IBC has had this as code for at least 15 years.

The International Building Code (IBC) establishes minimum requirements for airborne and impact performance of multifamily buildings. The minimum code requirement is STC 50 and IIC 50. Since many factors can affect the transmission of sound in the field, including non-standardized source and receiver rooms as well as construction tolerances, a field measurement (ASTC or AIIC) of three to five points below the lab measurement is acceptable to meet code requirements.

As the understanding increased of how STC and IIC ratings correlate with occupant comfort, the International Code Council (ICC) issued ICC G2-2010, “Guideline for Acoustics,” which established two additional levels of acoustical performance:

acceptable, defined as STC 55 and IIC 55; and preferred amount of isolation as STC 60 and IIC 60

Second, all the money is most definitely not in the land. As a general ballpark, developers want the land to be under 1/4 of the total cost of the project.

Uranium3006,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

Nice. How effective is that minimum standard? Most currently existing buildings are of course older than 15 years so most people won't have experienced it. Sadly these days anywhere remotely urban has way more than 1/4 the cost as land, espically for already existing buildings

grey, in What is your unpopular flim opinion
@grey@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Independence Day (1996) is the greatest documentary of all time.

teamevil,

False Idiocracy is the best documentary.

forty2, (edited ) in What could my upstairs neighbor possibly be doing to make this much noise?
@forty2@lemmy.world avatar

I love this game! I used to play it all the time back in the day…

  • maybe they’re holding a sumo wrestler training camp?
  • or possibly training for the hobbyhorse championships?
  • they could be amateur wine makers and they’re stomping grapes?
  • they might just be working on their sweet parkour moves?
  • it’s possible that they’re working on their MMA game?
  • slim odds, but they may be anthropophobic and love a good game of bocce?
  • they’re perpetually stuck on the P90X plyometrics workout?
  • you live below Kriss Kross and they’re reliving the glory days?

Edit: in all honesty, some people have just never learned the toe->heel method of walking so they clod around like horses

NightAuthor,

You reminded me that last week I actually could tell they were doing burpees in the Livingroom. Between the cadence of the various noises, and the fact they came in 3 sets of 10, I’m like 99% sure. So that was amusing, counting and identifying that activity.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E, (edited ) in What is your unpopular flim opinion

All superhero movies are dumb af. All of em, especially the one who s wearing blue underwear over his pants

Star wars is lame & trash. Everyone who likes is either nostalgic or delusional

All of James Bonds are trash & stereotypes and not worth the electricity to run

callouscomic,

That pretty much only leaves Hallmark Christmas movies. I guess that’s all you like?

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E,

Inception, Interstellar, LOTR, Matrix 1 and 2 are pinacle of movie making

Hacksaw,

I don’t know how you make that list. It’s wild. LOTR and Maritx 1 I’m on board solid story, solid movie, solid acting, visuals, sound design, no notes.

I don’t know how you take matrix 2 without 3, it’s just the first and second part of the same, somewhat unsatisfying conclusion to the matrix, still pretty good and they tried something that blockbuster movies rarely tried: to make you question the nature of reality.

Inception is a self masturbatory movie about the importance of movies. It’s not bad, but I don’t know how it joins the others.

Interstellar is not a great movie. The visuals are nice, but the plotline completely falls apart imo. It’s like they knew where they wanted to go, realised half way through there was no way to get there, then just used enough jargon and pseudoscience to hide the fact they drew a straight line from where they were to the conclusion. They even had to retcon stuff with janky time travel.

I’m not mad because i disagree with your list, I just don’t see what puts it together. It’s like someone saying his favorite foods are steak, sushi but no fish, apples, and fruitty toothpaste.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E,

I made that list as examples of what i consider “good”, that’s about it

Inception is absolutely amazing, interstellar a little less so, but still, light years and universes (hehe) ahead of anything I mentioned in the highest comment

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

I was with you in the first paragraph.

In the second I wanted to differentiate between the original trilogy and whatever came next.

In the third one, my opinion is directly opposite.

naevaTheRat,

I wholeheartedly agree.

Starwars is RA Salvatore for people embarrassed about liking elves rendered into a film. All of the artistic stuff is just lifted from Kurosawa, watch those films instead they’re actually good.

smashin,

Hard agree on all of those. Especially James Bond, never seen a more boring movie than JB…

TotallynotJessica,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

Not a fan of saying people only like something because they’re delusional. You can dislike something by your own personal criteria, but other people have their own.

Star Wars and superhero movies are often liked because people enjoy the characters, the world, or simply the action and artistry.

Not understanding that other people care about different things than you do is immature.

Couldbealeotard,
@Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world avatar

Every non Bond spy film does a better Bond film than the Bond franchise.

Man from Uncle, Kingsman, Mission Impossible, Austin Powers

QuiteQuickQum, in Out of all the cars you've owned, which one holds a special place in your heart as the absolute favourite.

My dark cherry 2000 Chevy Malibu.

bulwark, in why is it so difficult select text from posts?
tun, in why is it so difficult select text from posts?

Which UI you are using? Web or app?

I use voyager app and it has a feature “copy text”. When used, the title and body are selectable.

DirigibleProtein, in What RSS readers should I recommend to others?

I’m really liking Unread on iPad and iPhone. That is all.

BOFH666,

Really love the flym reader. Just works, no ads.

Zak,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately, Flym seems to be discontinued (according to its F-Droid entry). Google Play won’t install it on newer versions of Android because it’s built for older versions. I can’t use it for this use case for that reason.

BOFH666,

That’s too bad. And that will be a challenge for me, when I upgrade my current phone.

Zak,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

It still installs and runs on Android 13, but Google Play won’t give it to you. I’m going to assume from the username you don’t need instructions.

LegionEris, in What could my upstairs neighbor possibly be doing to make this much noise?

We call ours the centaurs who live upstairs sometimes. They’re just some college girls, definitely not disabled or anything. They make just as much noise flying up and down the stairs sometimes. They’re definitely louder than anyone else who has ever lived above or below us. I think they legit do some sort of dance or exercise routine because sometimes it’s very regular, rhythmic. Idk it’s happy sounds. Happy neighbors having a good time don’t usually bother me, no matter how noisy they are. I’m sure I have a limit, but noisy walking and the occasional party isn’t gonna get me there.

radix,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

That’s really cute. I like hearing people’s music in their nice speakers too, percolating up through the floors, and one of my old housemates was a singer and it was always nice to hear her. Sometimes I’d try to sing along too.

I think it makes me a happier person to hear it. It makes me feel like I’m in a community.

NightAuthor,

The occasional stuff isn’t a problem, it’s just the hours-long full-floorplan pacing sessions that bug me. Thankfully it’s mostly blocked out by my headphones.

One of me Nextdoor neighbors has this laugh that comes through our shared wall (unfortunately my bedroom wall), but like you said, hard to be annoyed with people enjoying themselves. If they’re laughing it up when I’m trying to get to bed I’ll just put on some rain sounds or something.

Smokeydope, (edited ) in Out of all the cars you've owned, which one holds a special place in your heart as the absolute favourite.
@Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

None, they are all metal boxes that get me from point a to b. I accepted a long time ago im just not a car guy, i dont even reserve the neurons to differentiate make/model/year at a glance. Forming emotional attachments over hunks of metal/ machinery that all operate generally the same way is a very monkey-brain thing to do. He smugly says as he nervously eyes his book collection he would actually tear up over if they were damaged in any way.

stoy,

That’s fair if a bit harsh…

Cratermaker,

Do you enjoy driving at all though? I feel like there are a lot of people who love driving but don’t care if they’re doing it with a “boring econobox”. Listening to music and cruising down the highway on a warm summer afternoon is fun to me no matter what car I’m in.

Smokeydope,
@Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

I can find it relaxing at times but I dont drive to drive more than maybe once or twice a year if that. Its bad for the environment (unless you have an all electric vehicle powered by renewable energy I can dig that) and a selfish waste of precious non renewable resources.

Being on the road is also an inherent danger as accidents happen anytime anywhere, though life is also about taking a fucking chance to do what you want risk be damned so if ypu enjoy driving its worth the risk I guess.

I’d rather get on my legs and walk around a nice forest/park than drive around but that’s just me.

DarylDutch,

I love getting around without a car. Public transport is great around europe. Still the 10.000 km trip I went on last year hit so many places public tranport don’t. Also getting to great places like forests or parks will require a form of automotion in the usa. About the risk, I feel that it is part of the journey to risk it all. The car I drive is light because it has no safety features like modern cars. This is not inherently a bad thing for safety breeds complacency. I have been close to catastrophe multiple times during the road trip, still I wouldn’t have had the experiences I did if it was just staying home.

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

I think your comment kinda points at the reason why I don’t like people who despise cars. Like we all have a thing we love to use. Some people like me it’s cars. For others it’s video games. For some it’s books. We all have a thing. I’d imagine even movie buffs have a favorite TV or midea format. The world is pretty boring when everyone is a carbon copy of the other.

Crashumbc,

So your Vegan, got it.

pruwybn, in What could my upstairs neighbor possibly be doing to make this much noise?
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar
bugieman,

I was about to link this video, so funny

Iamdanno, (edited ) in Out of all the cars you've owned, which one holds a special place in your heart as the absolute favourite.

My first car was my favorite:

1982 Toyota Celica GT Coupe

Fun, fun, fun to drive!

relaymoth,

‘94 GT here, not as exciting as older generations, but fun nonetheless. Drove that thing for multiple hundreds of thousands of miles. Had over 330k when it finally died.

Zikeji, in What could my upstairs neighbor possibly be doing to make this much noise?

It’s possible they are either disabled or have a disabled friend / family member visiting. Someone who can walk but not well. In either case hopefully it’s just one off.

NightAuthor,

Unlikely disabled, because they move quite swiftly. It’s been months, so unfortunately not one off.

SzethFriendOfNimi,
@SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world avatar

Different than other people who lived above you?

It could just be the way the apartment/housing is built making any normal walking loud for you.

hoshikarakitaridia,

Have been living together with my brother with only one wall in between that has nothing in between and let me tell you: two drywalls with air in between resonates just right on a mechanical keyboard at 2am. Now obviously floors have quite different standards even just when it comes to the load they have to carry, but that said, there’s things that make it better and worse. Carpets can be good, dampening in between is good, putting little silicon plates in between stuff that connects to the floor is also good.

And then ofc if they decided to start dropping pianos on the daily, that might make a difference.

Either way, talking to them is probably the best option. There’s not really much you can do about noise from the floor above you.

Redoomed, in What is your unpopular flim opinion

The Thirteenth Floor (1999) depicts a better story about simulated reality than The Matrix (1999) does.

AnAngryAlpaca,

The thirteenth floor was a (pretty good) remake of the German 1970s movie “Welt am Draht”.

swordsmanluke,

I like both movies, but I think The Matrix has a billion times more spectacle going for it. I still think about The Thirteenth Floor regularly, but I’d rather sit down and watch The Matrix again for entertainment’s sake.

Pratai, in What is your unpopular flim opinion

Mine is- the Marvel/DC superhero movies all but entirely ruined cinema.

mjhelto,

Where I wrote of MCU was Wonder Woman. I liked the movie and acting, but the story was so dumb. I called out the antagonist from the first time I saw him. The story was the same as all the MCU movies, I realized, after it:

Here’s this unstoppable bad guy, here’s the main characters getting their ass beat by the bad guy, here’s defeatist attitudes that they can never beat the bad guy, main protagonist suddenly “believes” they can beat the bad guy, beats bad guy, and roll credits. Splash of some sort of callback end-credits gush scene, and end.

Shyfer,

But Wonder Woman isn’t MCU…

Pratai,

Does it really matter? They’re so interchangeable she may as well be.

Chobbes,

You didn’t like the one where there was a bad guy and they fought the bad guy and then won against the bad guy?

Pratai,

Was that the one where a person/thing/object was thrown into a building?

Chobbes,

Ohhhhh, yes, but I think you’re thinking of the other one. It’s the one with a few casual one liners.

Pratai,

Ahh yes. The one where the villain weaponized a glaring plot-hole and everyone was doomed until they figured out that they’d already covered this in a previous movie.

rbesfe, (edited )

Found Scorcese’s Lemmy account

Rai,

Superhero movies are utter shit, and I cannot understand why people like them.

My only exception is The Dark Knight. And Iron Man 2, because I saw it at a tech conference pre-release and won a computer at the event.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I gave up after Tobey McSpiderman 2.

At least the first two Tobey McSpiderman movies were legitimately good, the problem was some studio exec went “LET’S MAKE NOTHING BUT SUPERHERO MOVIES FOR THE NEXT TWENTY-FIVE YEARS!” Sometime after the second one, I lost track of how many The Incredible Hulk movies they made, and then stopped paying attention. A very few have risen to the top since, including The Dark Knight and Deadpool, both legitimately good movies.

The last movie I saw at the theatre was Inglourious Basterds. Over the years, I’ve looked at what’s playing with dates and such, and…there’s nothing I want to see.

coffinwood,

The first Iron Man is good. For me it went downhill from there.

alansuspect,

Agreed. Studios used to make loads of fun cheap films, now everything has to be a blockbuster CGI-fest.

I saw another comment saying it was a trend and temporary; that may be true but it has definitely ruined cinema for too long already.

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