Which of your favorite creators content quality went downhill very quickly?
Kind of a trend, the amount of youtubers who i had loved but their content became generic after gaining popularity is quite a bit, most drastic one being mrwhosetheboss, his uniqueness went down faster than MH27 MH17
I didn’t see anyone mention streamers. For me that has to be Asmongold. He is now just drama farmer and reacts to videos and reddit all day. I would even say he is slowly turning into another Andrew Tate.
Called it on Lemmy a few months ago! Something about him and MoistCritical just give me bad juju. Can’t explain it except as a father you learn to trust your gut sometimes and it was run of those times.
If this makes sense. YouTube algorithm aggressively pushes Joe Rogan. In that sphere are other trends that come with it. Sadly they come into that picture
Kind of related but I follow lilAggy on twitch. He pissed off some of chat one day because he told them to fuck off with their Andrew Tate bullshit and full on explained bluntly how Andrew Tate is a mysogynistic fuckwad.
I just realized it only recently, but Asmongold was going downhill for a few years. He wasn’t my favorite streamer, but watched him here and there.
List of my streamers is slowly shrinking. Nowdays I mostly watch Lirik. He just became a dad like a year ago. As far as I know he has no problems. Only thing that some people are not liking about him is that when NFTS came out, he wanted to make some, he didn’t at the end. I don’t really blame him. When NFTS came out even I thought it was interesting for little while.
My second most watched streamer is probably Elajjaz, I discovered him only a year ago. He is a variety streamer who really likes Dark Souls and similar games. I don’t think I acually saw him “react” to videos. He just plays games.
LilAggy’s stream looks interesting, I gave him a follow. Will see if we click.
Check out Josh Strife Hayes, a very sensible streamer/Youtuber who steers clear of the drama. He and the guy from Pirate Software are my new favourites.
I know about both of them, but Josh doesn’t stream in my free time, so I only watch his youtube videos here and there. Pirate Software doesn’t play games. I knew about him even before he blew up, but I like streamers who play games, like sure, talk about interesting stuff, your life, etc but I need some game in the background. Don’t get me wrong, his stream is great and I check on him sometimes. But he mostly talks about how to make games and how to start making games. I don’t really need that.
Yeah. I’ve been pleasantly surprised. He stays in his lane alone with the other souls streamers. That community seems to be pretty good at being good people.
Agreed, souls community is definitely one of the most wholesome communities I’ve seen/been in on twitch. Drama free (afaik) and everyone’s super nice and supportive of everyone else even when they’re in direct competition. It’s great.
He was never a favourite content creator of mine, but some of John Campbell’s videos at the start of the pandemic were very informative. Then he started getting high on all his own hype, reporting more and more dubious psuedo-science, and getting into stupid spats with other YouTubers and pandemic ‘celebrities’.
Yeah he got me early on and I was recommending his channel, then he started to get in to the political stuff and pseudoscience baiting, then full on pseudoscience.
A few weeks ago he posted a new episode of his podcast with him and a few others. They talked about Nothing Chats and Sunbird, the iPhone getting RCS and the usual OpenAI drama. At some point Marques mentions the fact that iMessage with RCS will still be “unencrypted”. Following that they ponder over why RCS wouldn’t have this fabled encryption, such a weird thing that RCS doesn’t support encryption from the get-go, and after brainstorming for a bit someone adds the information that it indeed will be encrypted in-transit, but not end-to-end encrypted. And what comes next boggled my mind: Silence ensues. No-one says anything. You only see the faces of four grown-ass tech influencers that are stunlocked and completely unable to process what this neverheard difference between encryption methods might mean. It all just ends with “I’ve been trying so hard to figure out what that means. I can’t.” And then…then they simply move on, not even addressing for a second this knowledge gap and solving it right there on the spot. You can watch it if you want. What hurts the most is that Marques’ co-star, David, the guy that looks the most confused, made a 1+ hour history-lesson type video a few months ago about the history of the internet and the importance of HTTPS encryption.
Now, if we’re talking about visual quality and overall visual production quality, his videos were insanely enjoyable to watch. I also don’t want to shame anyone for not knowing something and I understand that this is in part the consequence of an ever growing company at this point. The channel is still growing and has reached 18 millions subs. Him (and his team) also cover a constantly growing tech sphere, from phones to laptops, from e-vehicles to supercars, from tech politics to tech blunders. But coming from a guy that has been a “tech influencer” on YouTube for 14 years, a guy that over the years had the chance to interview Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Bill Gates and Sundar Pichai and surely had the chance to surround himself with experts on all sorts of topics, a guy that dedicated entire videos to Nothing Chats, the role of Quantum Computing in encryption or the dangers and potentials of the Metaverse, this kind of shocked me. I just couldn’t take him seriously anymore and I hate myself for it. But it’s like my grandma not knowing the difference between a normal call and a WhatsApp call, expect that he’s been talking about tech for more than a decade.
Production quality wise, the videos are always exceptionally well done for a Youtube channel. I just really cannot stand his content.
He markets himself as an unbiased first look channel, but for example, any time a new phone comes out, he’d praise an iPhone for all the same reasons he absolutely fucking decimated an Android phone for. It’s very similar to other products he takes a look at. The podcast is also filled to the brim with similar conversations, and it’s just unpleasant tech-bro culture
Tbf Mkbhd has never been smart or technical. He has good video editing that’s it. His phone reviews have always been pretty trash too. He kept asking for bigger batteries and now he whines that the phones are too big and heavy.
It really triggers me that he has become the face of “black tech Youtubers” when there’s people like Jeremy Fielding out there
I know very little about electronics and really like Jeremy Fieldings videos. A very good channel.
As for mkbhd. I don’t like his content on Elon musk products. He bought a Tesla and was in a bunch of their beta/early adopter stuff and makes videos with heavy praise. It gives me a bad taste about his ethics on these topics which extends to the rest of the channel.
Saying he isn’t smart is ridiculous and rude. He very clearly is smart within his particular skillsets and in business, or else we wouldn’t be here talking about him. He’s also subjectively entertaining and relatable, which is why he gets more views than many other tech YouTubers, black or otherwise.
Also, you do realize that “bigger” battery doesn’t necessarily mean physically bigger right? People wanting bigger batteries are usually referring to battery capacity, aka higher charge density.
It’s so weird that you’re triggered by a YouTubers popularity; I wasn’t aware that such homerism existed in that space. Stay triggered though I guess 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
I dont know about his knowledge, really, but I watched a few videos when shopping for my most recent phone and found his reviews to be a bit shallow and personal, not particularly objective and somewhat biased.
But i would like to say, the number of views a youtuber gets is not directly related to the quality of the entertainment other than it has to appeal to the most people in order to make it. That often leaves a bland taste to the videos. Its true of youtube, of music, of film… or any form of media really. You dont get popular by being extremely talented and nishe.
It is also not directly related to being smart. You only have to look at someone like elon musk to see that. Hes, frankly, an idiot. But he has done very well for himself to a point. Obviously, he’s fallen off now,
Fact is, not agreeing that Marquis is a good youtuber is not equal to being triggered, and its kind of ironic coming from the white knighr who cam running to his defence on a fairly obscure message board. :)
FlossyCarter is my go to for phone reviews. He does a lot of stuff I don’t care about, but he does the “release review” that all tech youtubers do when they get sent a device, but then he follows up with a “real review” later and his likes/dislikes are often fair critiques.
I know I’m going to get downvoted to absolute hell for this but I kinda don’t like anybody who is an Apple fanboy. I used to be one like 5 years ago, however, I know have a pixel+graphene phone, arch linux laptop and desktop, selfhosted storage and media server, basically the tech nerd setup. I hate for the top YouTubers to be not a tech nerd but someone who promotes Apple fanboys who will just roll with the punches even if the company does something stupid.
Anyways, thanks for the channel recommendation. If you haven’t watched Colin Furze yet, his shit is wild as well.
I don’t like anyone who is a fan of anything, I have used iphone (iphone 3G) and been using android ever since because I like to tweak my phones (roots and flashing custom roms), but I would definitely jump to another system if a better one comes around.
I know of those who understand tech very well and still own Apple products. I don’t know who to hate more. I just don’t like the fanboys in general. Either they know of the shitty practices or not and still got the whole apple watch, iphone, ipad, macbook, imac setup. They’re just so stuck in the ecosystem that they’ll never come out.
Well, he’s played a role in getting me and I’m sure many others interested in tech in the first place (remember the OnePlus One days?). So I’d say he has a bit more going for him than just video editing, he summarizes tech really well and he just…sparks that tech passion in his viewers! But I simply can’t believe that in all these years he never stopped and pondered what in-transit encryption vs. end-to-end encryption might mean!
To hammer my point home: This means he doesn’t understand why people would use Signal instead of sending a DM on Facebook or Instagram. Why any sane mind would pick Proton Mail over something like standard Gmail. He’s absolutely clueless as to what a data breach into popular password managers like Bitwarden or LastPass might mean. When Apple says things like (and imagining this in Tim Cook’s voice makes it a hundred times better) “What stays on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone.” or “end-to-end encrypted, meaning that not even Apple can access it”, he doesn’t understand any of it and just moves on. And mind you, these are Apple presentations we’re talking about, catered to the simple understanding of an average consumer.
Yes, naturally everyone has to start somewhere, but I wish him and his team (c’mon guys, I KNOW you’ll read this!) would put a bit more effort into fillling knowledge gaps as soon as they come up, instead of just relying on their selective research each time a new video gets made and arrogantly thinking that in all other aspects they must still be ahead of 99% of all other people. Don’t take my word for it, see for yourself: After one of his co-hosts asks people watching the podcast to tweet at him to explain it, Marques replies: “Good luck getting a tweet.”
But hey, I hope these are only the first of many steps they’ll take in the big world of data protection, transparency, open-source, privacy and, of course, encryption ;)
He never struck me as being actually knowledgable about tech. He knows the consumer level stuff, just enough to review things. But anything deeper than that he never touches.
He’s not an organic tech reviewer. All of his devices are sponsored. He exists in a completely different world than the vast majority of his audience. Money is not an object for him and he promotes always having day 1 tech. He essentially shills for whomever is giving him today’s device to review and he’s been very pro-Apple in his editorializing.
He’s not an organic tech reviewer. All of his devices are sponsored. He exists in a completely different world than the vast majority of his audience. Money is not an object for him and he promotes always having day 1 tech.
That’s true to some extent, I guess.
I’ve always thought his approach has remained broadly consistent to his roots (I’ve been subbed to him since he was much, much smaller) but yes, the products he reviews now are almost always provided to him rather than being bought by him personally. This becomes true of any channel of his size, but I’ve not seen his opinion change as a result.
He addresses the topic about bias in this short , but we can look to his phone of the year awards to assess his biases objectively. For every year since the awards began in 2014, an Android device has always won Phone of the Year. An iPhone has never won an award for Best design, Best Value or Best Big Phone since records began either.
iPhones have won best camera system since 2018, but he maintains that this is due to the superior video capabilities of iPhones, but still prefers the ‘look’ of a Pixel photo, or the hardware of a Samsung (20x zoom etc). Androids dominate every single category simply because there are so many companies developing and competing against each other to make better and better Android devices.
Marques is personally almost always rocking a Pixel or Samsung Galaxy device as his main daily driver (because he loves the customisation and the freedom that android devices give him), and has an iPhone in his other pocket for apple things. He calls out bad Android and Apple devices in equal measure, and he actively advised against buying a newer Mac because the M2 and M3 products just don’t give you enough of an upgrade over M1 to make it worthwhile.
I watch every single video he puts out and just don’t see the Apple shill thing. He has always come across as an Android fan to me, but I hear the Apple shill thing all the time.
Donut Media during the 350z hi car/low car thing was really good, but feels like they are just repeating the same content over and over now without getting much useful/interesting info now.
Scotty has the most clickbait titles. “If you have a car you will REGRET this ONE SIMPLE TRICK and DESTROY YOUR ENGINE” (video is about winter octane stabilizers or something completely mundane)
Yeah they sort of follow the same trajectory. I do like DeMuro still but it really depends on the car he’s reviewing for how interested I am. Leno is also decent and I prefer his car content to anything he did on late night or comedy-wise. He has that professionalism as a presenter and has so much money that he can just buy like a Merlin engine or have anything he wants to professionally restored. Really cool to see some of that stuff.
Check out Garbage Time. It’s a channel about an Aussie and his mechanic buddy repairing old, shitty cars. Many of the cars are Australian specific too.
Seems like they never recovered after the whole YouTube Red exclusive stuff they did. I was glad they came back, but you’re right, it just doesn’t hit the same.
But he already made those in top 10 format. There isn’t much “mystery” to talk about without hyping up certain things like science journalism tends to do a lot.
He could make a documentary that goes into deeper details about one of the things he already mentioned in his older top 10 videos…
I didn’t watch the top 10 videos because this format doesn’t appeal to me. Topics like why there is a universe/anything at all, what is beyond the observable universe, how the universe will end, etc are the greatest mysteries and deserve their own videos.
Top 10 videos aren’t typically my thing either. But Lemmino is next level. His top 10 videos are very well informed, and before he started making actual documentaries, only got longer and longer. It got to the point where every entry in a top 10 vid was like a mini documentary on its own.
Remember when they had all 3 channels firing on all cylinders? Vsauce for mind blowing science videos, Vsauce2 for awesome shorter format wtf internet widget videos, and Vsauce3 for gaming science stuff. One of the best eras of YT.
I think Vsauce is a lot more grifty than he looks. If you look at the really early videos they were very different and he changed his content wildly in order to find something that makes the most money with the least work. The science education happened to be profitable but as the Meta started favouring more than 10+ min and science vids became mini documentaries he just dropped off and started reviewing science toys and do compilation videos. Right now he is doing a lot of shorts because they are being pushed by the algorithm.
I started watching VSauce well over 10 years ago, so I’ve experienced how his content changed first-hand. I feel VSauce dropped off when Michael became an internet meme, when VSauce made it “big”. They got their own studio, their own merch box, and I thought this was going to be an upgrade to the content between VSauce 1, 2 and 3. But then Michael made that YouTube Red series and that was basically a brick wall.
Only Jake Roper still made some good videos for some time, but that stopped eventually too. Mindblow stopped, Build It, Draw It, Play It stopped. Instead of seeing anything that would justify having a studio and a team to work with we basically got, like you said, Michael reviewing toys from their merch box, and Kevin doing some math philosophy once in a while.
Mindblow is technically back but… it lacks any energy or soul that the original Mindblow had. It’s sad…
His side gigs are super grifty. Curiosity box was a straight scam. Two months delayed and full of shifty products that break or fall apart trying to assemble them.
Vsauce2 is still good and mindblown just recently came back, Kevin basically said on his podcast that the mindblown videos just take too much time to research for something that’s presented extremely fast and short, since he’s not a tabloid making wildly innacurate reporting on science papers.
Google #changethechannel, but to sum up, people got fed up with the mistreatment by the Walkers (Doug, the NC, and Rob) as well as Mike the ceo, especially after one of the best liked members was fired from the site.
And THEN it came to light that they had known about a pedo in their midst and protected him for years. Justin Carmical, Aka JewWario.
I have the opposite problem where Youtubers who I watch because I enjoy their unedited, off-the-cuff content keep deciding to put more effort into their channel and start producing videos that are scripted and edited well, which I find way less interesting and watchable than their stream-of-consciousness rambling was. WolfeyVGC is a big one. He theoretically has a second channel for low effort content but he rarely posts to it.
You might like Crime Pays But Botany Doesn’t if you like that style of video. It’s a crass low brow approach to botany and ecology presented by a Chicago Italian. Been going for years now and has improved his quality but it’s still off the cuff rambling.
She was always far left, and that fact underpinned pretty much every older video. She has always talked about social and economic issues, and done a damn good job of it.
Interesting take. I grew up and swung hard left. I’m a union executive and an advocate for voting reform and a universal basic income. My conservative father and I have the odd clash but surprisingly he’s pretty receptive to all this, and I’ve found many conservative folk are when you don’t treat them like they’re stupid.
Well, people don’t of course all grow to the same direction.
I think we old people (in 40+s) generally appreciate when young people passionately achieve something, even if it doesn’t exactly align with our own values.
I don’t think she knows the subject matter enough a lot of the time and is part of this weird commodification of philosophy happening. The political angle never bothered me.
I’ve no problem with the trans and lefty commentary, I find that stuff fascinating…
Who is miss is Oliver. Abigail is nice, but I identified with Oliver in a lot of ways. I can’t identify with Abigail. I wish they could have cloned/split into 2 people.
Check out the Carefree Wandering vids that use Abigail, coincidentally right before and after her transition, as an example of how philosophy is commodified by influencers, and some of the interesting things around identity and how it impacts the content etc.
I agree, mrwhosetheboss got so boring for me. Every video just felt pretty much the same. Same old jokes, same old style, every single time. For me, another one is Linus Tech Tips. Their content just feels kinda boring nowadays. It was much better maybe 2-3 years ago.
It was his video on IQ tests that set off alarm bells for me.
IQ tests are not some method of determining intelligence they are very much linked to relative education/socioeconomic standing. His complete lack of criticism and neutral/positive support of IQ tests make me think he likes the result of his score…
“Oh and by the way, this is a sponsored video 🤷” and then spends half an hour sucking a company’s dick for money
That and the shampoo ad killed my interest in the channel, and ever since then I’m extremely wary of everyone. Kurzgesagt is also up there, for producing propaganda for a billionaire’s charity.
Whoa, I thought I was alone in disliking Kurzgesagt. What made me unsubscribe was a video that was very clearly sponsored by the game Cyberpunk but didn’t mention that anywhere
Their videos about the climate for the last few years essentially boil down to “shit sucks, everything is bad, a lot of people are going to die. But wait, here’s an interesting new technology that could save the planet! All we have to do is trust capitalism to make this technology happen, and we’ll be saved!”
I’m of the opinion that we should be brutally fucking honest about the climate, and that copium like this only makes people complacent. If we stopped pumping out greenhouse gases right now, we wouldn’t avoid 3° of warming. Hundreds of millions of people are going to die as a direct result of anthropogenic climate change, and there is nothing we can do about that. If we get complacent, that number will be in the multiple billions. Cute cartoon birds turning into skeletons does not reflect the horror of climate change.
The Kurzgesagt climate videos explicitly encourage political action to combat climate change. I think they even encourage it as the most important thing an individual can do. They don’t push ‘let capitalism solve everything’ , they push ‘vote in green candidates + regulation’.
I saw one of those videos taking them down for receiving Bill Gates money and frankly I think it’s a pretty empty hitpiece.
Don’t get me wrong, the Gate’s foundation does push this ‘never question the market’ ideology, and any organisation that relies on their funding deserves to be scrutinized to hell and back. But Kurzgesagt does not push this ideology.
’ The problem with Kurzgesagt’ never found any factual issues with their content, AND the broad message of their videos is ’ lobby the government for regulation + here’s the technology’ . If Gate’s Foundation money has caused them to compromise their values, it’s not done a good job of it.
Funding is not the same as editorial control, and the amount recieved from the gates foundation is not even a large portion of their income, so it’s not like they have much leverage.
Gate’s Foundation and similar spend money literally everywhere, so I worry about people writing good orgs off so quickly.
TL;DW: they assume technology will magically “fix” the climate crisis and no big changes to society or the economy are necessary. thus perpetuating and worsening the climate crisis by pretty much telling people “it’s gonna be fiiiiine”…when it really won’t be “fine”.
edit: note, that most of their content is fine, just the climate “solutions” and stuff are…so optimistic as to be misleading. their physics and futurology stuff is fine. also way oversimplified in many cases, but fine.
Guys, all we have to do is trust the technology that Bill Gates stands to profit from! Never mind the fact that Bill Gates funds my videos, just trust him, guys! The future might look bleak, but you don’t have to take any action! Ol’ Billy already is! Just trust him!!
Yeah, it’s really egregious. I don’t really like their videos because they all feel kind of biased like that… and just a lot of editorializing. To be clear, I’m not above technology getting us out of a jam, but I really don’t think we should expect it… We should really plan with what we know is possible.
Yeah, the new SAT video was great and i still can’t for the life of me figure how those people managed to think about the problem and realize the options were wrong, really goes to show how intelligent people are always doing things with a very alert mind, even if the problem is very easy
I stopped watching after the “speed of electricity in a wire” video. When I realised a video about something I knew about was bollocks, it made me question every other video that taught me about something I didn’t know.
Even if that had been a one off, how would I know? The trust is gone.
There are a lot of videos that made me question the validity of his “science”. While I didn’t want to spend time dissecting a specific video but with the videos piling up I decided it would be easier to just not watch him. I don’t watch videos to question whether it’s bullshit or not, so I ended up watching videos where I don’t have to ask that question.
Op said it’s bollock, not because it’s confusing, so i’m curious what went wrong as well. I think Electroboom challenge him as well, but not sure the context and how it went.
I’ll purposely seek out videos covering topics I’m (more) familiar with, from unfamiliar content creators that I might be interested in watching more of. It helps me gauge their accuracy, confidence, and ability to simplify without losing the underlying reasoning.
CinemaSins. They were always kind of bottom-of-the-barrel, but their early videos pretty much just amounted to narrating the IMDB trivia pages so it was harmless. I went back and checked in on their channel for the first time in 8+ years and holy shit they’ve gotten bad. Videos running a quarter the length of the movie they’re doing with word-salad voice over that doesn’t even make sense.
Also: “[female actor] isn’t 18 in this scene” was just as fucked up in 2012 as it is in 2023.
I agree, I don’t think that CinemaSins was ever really good, but it definitely got worse over time. His content has been criticized to death and there are some good commentary videos covering the issues with his channel. I will plug CinemaWins as a pretty good “counter” channel. I don’t watch it because I’m not really into that kind of content these days, but the videos that I have seen are worthwhile if you’re looking to fill a similar hole.
not a youtuber, but I genuinely enjoyed babylon bee and the daily bonnet for parody news about christian and mennonite culture. the humor was always inward. now its all propaganda
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