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ILikeBoobies, (edited ) in subs > dubs

Cartoons that don’t sexualize kids > cartoons that do

But the anti-4kids crowd hates that argument

starman2112,
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Agreed but not really relevant here

figaro,

Your statement is correct, but I think people are taking it as an implication that all anime sexualizes kids, which is false. There’s lots of really great anime out there.

Moneo,

No all anime is for weebz and all cartoons are for kids.

Now shut up and let me watch my fake reality tv show.

KingJalopy,
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Preach!

absentbird,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

‘but she’s actually 400 years old-’ still gross.

NaoPb,

Which ones do?

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

Well in Pokémon a character asks to suck Misty’s tits, it’s an anime trope for old people to be pervs and you come across a few in the series. There’s the beach episode and you get a lot of shots that pan from her ass

In Yu-gi-oh you get the “love slave” comment…along with yugi’s grandfather being a perv. Mai also hits on yugi a ton which either she’s a kid who they draw with huge tits and a really short skirt or she’s an adult trying to hit on a 14 year old

Inuyasha has Kagome bathing naked a few times

No Game No Life has not just loli but hinting at incest a bunch. But the main character (kid) is obsessed with trying to spy on the girls while they bathe. If you get the light novel then the opening pages are straight up loli hentai

Gestrid,

it’s an anime trope for old people to be pervs

Weirdly enough, I just learned in my Developmental Psychology class recently that there’s a very surprising amount of sex between old people going on in nursing homes. Some of the students who’d actually worked in nursing homes before even confirmed it. So the trope may not be as unfounded as we might think.

Not saying old people hitting on kids is okay. It’s freaking weird and gross. Just stating an interesting fact.

zalgotext,

Having sex makes you a perv?

Gestrid,

No, I moreso meant that older people having sexual desires is surprisingly common.

NaoPb,

Thanks. That sounds terrible though.

starman2112,
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I mean a lot of it does, there’s a reason it’s part of the stigma against anime

Even some shows that I otherwise really like have an uncomfortable amount of sexualization of minors. A Certain Scientific Railgun, Steins;Gate, Gate, Gurren Lagann, to name a few

Syrc,

Steins;Gate? There’s, what, 1 second of a naked 16-year old in the whole series?

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m talking specifically about the scene where Okarin grope Luka. It’s one scene, he’s rightfully called out for being a dickhead by everyone, but it’s still uncomfortable to watch

Syrc,

I mean, I wouldn’t call that sexualization, it’s intentionally framed to make you uncomfortable (you’re playing as Okabe in the VN after all).

And still, it’s two scenes with 16-year olds, pretty sure most western teen dramas do far worse. The stigma is because of stuff like SAO or Code Geass where they literally can’t let two episodes pass without a butt in your face.

NaoPb, (edited )

Well I know about Japanese culture with the “perverted wind” blowing up skirts, people peeking under skirts and the crotch shots when kicking someone in the face and getting a bloody nose and stuff. I know about that kind of pervertedness but that seems fairly harmless to me. I’ve seen some Pokémon episodes mentioned which weren’t released in the west, and even then I wouldn’t deem it as problematic. So I am thinking either I’m really naive, which I will say I certainly am, or I am missing some things. Most people I know don’t even know what anime is, and if they do, they think of Pokémon and Sailor Moon. But not much else. So I guess most of this news has passed me by.

[edit] Oh and I’ve seen none of the anime you mentioned so maybe that is the issue. I’m mainly focussed on older anime. But I have just now watched that scene from Steins;Gate and I totally get what you mean if you are talking about that. That is so incredibly uncomfortable and unnecessary to be in there. Graphically I think the show looks nice and I feel like I want to watch this some more if I could have not seen this scene.

starman2112,
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While most anime doesn’t sexualize minors, a lot of it does, and unfortunately what comes to a lot of people’s minds when we talk about anime is either stuff like Naruto and DBZ where two guys shout at each other until someone wins, or stuff like Kill La Kill where a female character’s power level is seemingly determined by how small their clothes are. Anime would have a much better reputation if shows like ACCA and Mushishi were the ones everyone knew about.

I feel like I want to watch this some more if I could have not seen this scene.

To be fair, that is the only questionable scene in the show. I highly recommend watching it, I’d hate for your only experience of Steins;Gate being the worst scene in it

NaoPb,

I can get that, yes. I’ve seen people judge anime by just having seen DBZ and not much else.

And I’ll give Steins;Gate a try then, thanks.

Syrc,

But the anti-4kids crowd hates that argument

Anyone with a functioning brain is part of the “anti-4kids crowd”, I can assure you the majority of them agrees with your first statement as well.

ILikeBoobies,

Whenever you seen an anime watcher complaining about censorship in kids cartoons that’s what they complain about

4kids gave us the best TMNT series

Syrc,

Uhh… no? Despite the fact that a lot of anime they dubbed was shounen, so for teens (but obviously they wouldn’t know because cartoons are only kid stuff in their head), if they only censored sexualization of minors, or sexualization at all, people would be much, much less mad.

They censored every small mention of blood and death and most japanese cultural references, changed 90% of the names and soundtrack, straight-up skipped episodes and oversimplified dialogues dumbing down every message the series might’ve tried to convey. That’s criminal. Yu-Gi-Oh is literally a different series outside of Japan. I’ve seen series/games where the only censorship is on sexualization, and the backlash is nowhere nearly that bad.

Not to mention they also had horrible practices towards voice actors and licensors, so really, there’s no reason not to hate those pieces of shit.

ILikeBoobies,

most japanese cultural references, changed 90% of the names and soundtrack,

Yeah, they went the extra mile to deliver higher quality dubs compared to Funimaton

Syrc,

Ah yes, more denaturalization of the original product = higher quality. Wonder why they didn’t have Captain Europe when localizing Marvel movies.

And then people wonder why anime dubs have a bad reputation when the biggest companies producing them were literally in a race for who could fuck more shit up.

ILikeBoobies,

There are localization changes

Example mentalfloss.com/…/small-details-inside-out-differ…

Syrc, (edited )

And, in most cases, they suck. The Inside Out ones I’ve seen are acceptable because they’re minimal and, as they say, “They learned that some of their content wouldn’t make sense in other countries”. But 4Kids didn’t do that. They literally turned Japanese anime for teens into American cartoons for kids.

Removing any hint of a deep message in everything and making every series a travesty is nowhere nearly comparable to what Pixar, or other modern companies did. Pixar altered things to get the same message across, 4Kids did it to remove any, and change it with one of their dumb jokes (which, albeit often funny, were slammed in serious situations and killed the mood of everything. Make an original series if you want to do that).

ILikeBoobies,

Yeah Sonic, Kirby, Pokémon were definitely for teens

Syrc,

According to Wikipedia, they licensed 15 Anime franchises in total. 8 of those were originally aimed at teens, and probably have all been butchered.

Come on, we both know people aren’t hating on 4Kids because they removed a couple scenes from Kirby.

SzethFriendOfNimi, (edited ) in Glad it's almost over
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I know I know. Not a lot of synonyms that start with N

bingbong, (edited )
Stig_Martyr,
DoucheBagMcSwag, in A good boy with good grades.

Good boah

ryannathans, in Bad day

Must be painful to sit on

ObviouslyNotBanana,
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Needs a hemorrhoid pillow

Hupf, in Lemception
brown567, in Lemception

I am a much better looking person than squid

A human might look at me and consider me a potential mate. A squid would not XD

FlyingSquid,
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I am a much better looking person than squid

I beg to differ.

brown567,

Are you a squid?

Tangent5280, in Glad it's almost over

whats with the book writing thing? First I’m hearing about it.

Kolanaki, (edited )
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New Novel November

(November is National Novel Writing month in which you’re encouraged to write a 50k+ word novel)

pruwybn,
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!nanowrimo

(Sadly not very active of a community yet)

BellaDonna,

API error trying to access that community

pruwybn,
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If your instance hasn’t “seen” it yet, you might need to find it in the search tool for it to show up.

wheeldawg,

That acronym sounds familiar, but I haven’t heard it in years. Totally forgot it existed.

wieson,

In which nation?

cantstopthesignal,

I would like to know who in the fuck thinks they can write a novel in only a month.

Vaginal_blood_fart,

Branden Sanderson

TheActualDevil,

He also does a friendly competition thing with his fans in his subreddit every year in November. He posts how many words he writes in a week and encourages others to post their word-count to see if anyone can keep up with his output.

Vaginal_blood_fart,

Dudes a machine

captainlezbian,

Brandon Sanderson

Patches,

Branderson

jballs,
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Just finished his 4 secret project books. Also just finished the first Mistborn trilogy with my son and started in on the Wax and Wayne series with him (I’ve already read them). I freaking love me some Brandon Sanderson.

captainlezbian,

Nice. Yeah his prose is meh, but the world building, character writing, and volume are amazing. I’m in the middle of stormlight right now and loving it.

jballs,
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Stormlight is my absolute favorite series. Yeah, Sanderson doesn’t write as flowery as some authors, but that’s not what I’m looking for. I love how he puts together a whole world with a new magic system, history, religions, political climate, etc. Then is like, alright so that’s what the world was like hundreds of years ago, now let’s see what happens when they get guns and spaceships!

toomanypancakes,
@toomanypancakes@lemmy.world avatar

If you can make time for 1,700 words a day starting on the 1st then by the end of the month you’ve exceeded 50k

Making time and having energy for 1,700 words a day on top of daily life activities and working a job is the trick.

Kusimulkku,

1700 words shouldn’t take that long. Are you allowed to write on the computer?

toomanypancakes,
@toomanypancakes@lemmy.world avatar

I assume so, I don’t see why not

Kusimulkku,

That’s gonna be piss easy!

Viking_Hippie,

Of course. The trick is that you have to come up with which words to use in what order yourself.

Kusimulkku,

Well the challenge is about word count, not about making a coherent novel.

I’m gonna cheese this challenge so hard.

Viking_Hippie,

If you want to go through a lot of trouble to make something long that doesn’t make sense, Dadaist theater is easier and more fun… 🤷

Kusimulkku,

I want to win that achievement

Viking_Hippie,

Steam and/or console gamer, I see…

9point6,

Hmmm, but are we speedrunning to 50k or are we going for the word record in the amount of time given?

As obviously we would need different cheesing strategies

Patches,

If college taught me anything, it’s that I can write thousands of words per night. Typically fastest in the wee hours of the morning.

None of these words are good, mind you, but they are in fact words.

Sheltac,

Oh yeah. Some of my worst work is on those mega-inspired days where I sit for 10h and crank out 10000 words.

To this day I don’t know why I do that if I end up throwing most of it away.

Maybe it’s good to get bad plot out of the system.

rwhitisissle,

November is National Novel Writing month and December is National Edit the Terrible Novel You Just Wrote month.

Sheltac,

December

Haha, more like the entire next year.

cantstopthesignal,

For me, a good day is about 1000 words. I really run out of juice after that and just type bland shit. That’s about 3 months for a decent draft.

Sheltac,

Oh it depends massively for me. One of my best (IMHO) short stories is 8k and was written over 10-12h in a day.

But that has to be a pretty special day.

On bad days I usually go into the negatives 😂

ickplant,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve done it. You’re not supposed to come up with a finished product in 30 days (although some people do). Mine was a first draft of roughly 55k words.

jballs,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m reading a short book by Patrick Rothfuss (The Narrow Road Between Desires). This dude is such a notoriously slow writer that it drives me crazy. He had the audacity to do an author’s introduction where he said this was an existing story of his, but he added 15k words to it. I’m like… what is that, a couple weeks? Write faster, you bastard!

TheActualDevil,

And it’s not like this kind of attitude online has in any way made him self-conscious and led to us most likely never getting the conclusion to his series.

jballs,
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I love the idea of Rothfuss planning all day, coming up with the perfect next chapter in his life’s work, knowing just how to wrap up the intricate threads he’s woven. Then he boots up his laptop, slowly stretches and cracks his fingers. Just before he opens up his word processor to record his beautifully crafted prose, he decides to check out Lemmy for a few minutes. Then he comes across a random comment of mine saying how his fans are frustrated at his pace of writing, and just goes:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9aa890a9-bcef-4050-8914-83fd81f43288.png

TheActualDevil, (edited )

“I absolutely care about finishing the book… I feel bad about [not giving people what they want] all the time. It’s one of the things that’s fucking me up, I’m in a lot of therapy right now… I went from fiddling around with a book that I just liked to work on and I knew would never be published… then it’s like 'hey a million people are disappointed in you because they want this book. It’s not a great feeling. … If I didn’t care about the book, you’d have it by now… I owe everyone who loved the book something beautiful”

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/k52gcz/pat_on_how_much_he_cares_about_finishing_book_3/

Literally, the pressure makes it harder for him to make the book he thinks the fans deserve.

jballs,
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Exactly dude. He’s sold 10,000,000+ books and the pressure is clearly too much for him. And while we can’t unsell those books for him, the best we can do is spread the word far and wide that Patrick Rothfuss writes like old people fuck. If we each do our best to discourage new fans from jumping on the hype train, we just might have a shot at getting the 3rd Kingkiller Chronicles book before we die.

akincisor,

Isaac Asimov. The guy was a fucking robot.

flambonkscious,

Yeah, well, when you develop characters as much as he did, it’s manageable, I guess.

He did some good world building, though - don’t get me wrong, I feasted on the Hari/robot series several times over!

captainlezbian,

Then there was L. Ron Hubbard. Nobody spewed words like L Ron. Nobody wrote pulp like L Ron. Motherfucker could churn out a book in a day

MaxVoltage,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

as someone who had to do this stuff as a haze in college its doable but its hell without amphetamines

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Nobody said it had to be a good novel.

LemmyKnowsBest,

I bet it was Stephen King’s idea.

Default_Defect,
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Fuck that.

funkless_eck,

its called NaNoWriMo

wieson,

Nah, not writing month

luthis,

I’m so dam good at that challenge.

c0mbatbag3l, in subs > dubs
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Unfortunately when I’m watching TV Im usually working out so I mostly just listen and occasionally glance over at it.

Dubs for the win on that one.

Sabin10,

So you don’t watch TV, you just like the audio distraction.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

If I can hear conversations and look up often enough to know what the setting is, I’m getting the same information.

Working out doesn’t really require your brain beyond counting reps, it’s not a “distraction” if I’m still absorbing the story.

NaoPb,

It it works for you, cool. Personally I prefer listening to radio or podcast.

c0mbatbag3l,
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I like video essays but podcast content has never appealed to me.

NaoPb,

Allright. To each their own.

KingJalopy,
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I prefer absolute silence and all you noise junkies make me sick!

ummthatguy, in Lemception
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Kolanaki,
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Damn you beat me to it!

ummthatguy,
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Eh, it was the broodingly handsome and chiseled low hanging fruit.

LinkOpensChest_wav, in Lemception

Seeing RiF makes me feel a bit nostalgic

Tehhund,

I miss RiF a lot 😞

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Same. A lot of the nice little people in my phone, I met on RiF

GrammatonCleric, in Could we not bring that to Lemmy, please?
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Bro, that shit is here, too 😅

Frozengyro, in Bad day

What we like to call a long back!

jerome, in Glad it's almost over
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Why are you guys doing this to yourselves?

AngryCommieKender, (edited )

Masochists

starbreaker,
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Because From Software games aren't hard anymore.

wheeldawg,

But I am.

starman2112, (edited )
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NaNoWriMo? It’s a push to get that writing project out of your brain and onto paper, it’s super helpful for some people just to have something telling them to do the thing.

NNN? Test of self control. “I can quit any time I want” is something addicts say when they can’t quit any time they want. It’s also super easy; if it feels like masochism to not nut for more than a week, you’re addicted.

No shave november? Pure, unadulterated laziness.

foofiepie, in imdoingmypart.jpg

My retarded dude, we salute you.

balderdash9,

idk why, but this made me laugh hard

crawancon,

…retardedly

Kolanaki, in Could we not bring that to Lemmy, please?
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Decoy321,

And we’re not even sorry!

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