OldManBOMBIN, (edited )

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3a7c63c5-11e4-49cc-9a7b-c36875d967b8.png

My giant giraffe agrees.

If you’re still unconvinced, say “G”

The letter starts with the J sound.

Checkmate atheists.

MeanEYE, (edited )
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Oooh, that’s how grammar works in English language? Okay, so me as a developer of some obscure thing from this point forward are instructing everyone to pronounce “home” as “hume”, since that’s how you pronounce “o” in “tomb”. I decided that solely because my software is loosely related to the meaning of the word. K thx bai.

OldManBOMBIN,

Did you invent the word home? No? So you don’t get to decide how to pronounce it.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Neither did the author of graphic format. GIF is not a word, but initialism, like NSA, FBI, NASA, IBM, etc. And there are specific rules how they are read and pronounced.

OldManBOMBIN,

O.k.

dogslayeggs,

NASA is an acronym, not an initialism. And guess how the last letter of NASA is pronounced versus how the A in the corresponding word is pronounced. Ah vs Uh.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Irrelevant comment to the discussion at hand as the matter is not set in stone in English language. More to the point it doesn’t change the fact how GIF is pronounced. Even if you consider it an acronym it’s still a form of abbreviation and not a word on its own with known heritage, hence the general rules on how to pronounce letter g do not apply.

Had the word originate from French part of the English dictionary (like gin, giraffe, etc.) then g is pronounced as j before vowels e and i and would make sense. But Germanic words (such as gift, geese) still use hard g. So applying normal rules is pointless, since English has no such thing.

In short, it’s pronounced whatever the way people pronounce it. End of story.

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Wait till you hear about ghoti

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Haha, good one!

Imgonnatrythis,

I may sound haughty and knowledgable when I say JiF then, but between just you and me, I didn’t know a damn thing about this and just decided to say it this way in my brain for reasons that remain unclear.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Me too. I just always said it with a soft G because my brain told me that’s how it was pronounced.

OldManBOMBIN,

Strange that I never got a notification for this. Hm.

I’ve always pronounced it that way for whatever reason, and when I learned that was the correct way I was very high and mighty, lol

irmoz,

Was it a gift?

OldManBOMBIN,

Yeah, from a gyrating genie named George.

carpelbridgesyndrome,

Yes but actually no

Jarix,

Good god Gordon go gag a gator

snowe,
@snowe@programming.dev avatar

I always think all the arguments are ridiculous because it’s essentially saying that someone is pronouncing a product (not a word) that they created incorrectly. This product even has a catchphrase for it. There’s literally nothing you can say to contradict that. It’s a product with a catchphrase that describes how to pronounce it. If you pronounce it differently then you do you, but you are wrong.

Annoyed_Crabby,

It’s also pretty funny when it’s about actual product you will get corrected to the intended pronunciation, or at least, allowed because people acknowledge there might be multiple way of reading a word based on where you from. Like potato and tomato.

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

technically starts with the D sound

OldManBOMBIN,

Now you’re just getting crazy

AstridWipenaugh,

Oh yeah? Well lick my gargantuan gorilla gonads.

(I’m actually team jif but can’t help myself)

Floshie,

One thing I learned recently is that if GIF shall be pronounced “GIF” like the G in Graphical, JPEG shall be pronounced “JFEG” like the P in Photography

Just droppin that in

FarmTaco,

If it was JPhEG sure.

uzay,

Is it pronounced jilf then as well?

Socsa, (edited )

Do I look like I know what a JFEG is?

bitwaba,

I just want a picture of a gosh dang JFEGdog

Wilzax,

J’feg

PeWu,

Fuck this, double standards ftw

CabbageColonialist, (edited )

My name is jgef

F_Haxhausen,
@F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world avatar

All letters before A are silent.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

LF?

Annoyed_Crabby,

Aragorn: You have my sword.

Legolas: And you have my bow.

Gimli: And my HAX.

giggling_engine,
@giggling_engine@lemmy.world avatar

So his name was always Jim

webadict,

I love Lejolas and Jimli’s gokes.

kamen,

Dango Unchained

Syrc,
kamen,

Gneiss!

Viking_Hippie,

Would be the worst retroactive devaluation of a body of literary work since JK Rowling showed the world how she really is.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Orson Scott Card’s gotta rank up there, too.

Viking_Hippie,

True

HowManyNimons,

I really don’t think JK Rowling revealed who she really was. I think she demonstrated what too much money does to someone.

Viking_Hippie, (edited )

Nah, you become overconfident, callous and indifferent to the suffering of others from amassing extreme wealth.

Bigotry and pretending to be the victim of those you victimize is income-agnostic.

HowManyNimons,

Good point. I guess it’s a case of “a little of column A and a little of column B.”

dogslayeggs,

Anyone who uses the argument that Graphical is pronounced with a hard G sound needs to think about how they pronounce other acronyms, like SCUBA, NASA, LASER, SONAR, POG, SIM… the list goes on.

halm,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

It’s flattering that you think anybody knows what all of those acronyms actually stand for. I’m semi-certain of NASA, the rest could just be made up for all I know (as a non-native English speaker).

bitwaba,

Kinda hard to forget SCUBA. Self contained underwater breathing apparatus

Socsa,

I do say N(ay)SA to annoy people.

lorez,

Fuck him.

ggppjj,

I can’t, he’s dead.

giggling_engine,
@giggling_engine@lemmy.world avatar

Of course you can

ggppjj,

Only his corpse. Not him.

lorez,

Fuck his estate.

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The creator of the GIF format says it’s pronounced like Jiff, like the peanut butter.

He’s wrong, even though he created the format.

spudwart,
@spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

That’s dumb, It’s “Graphics Interchange Format.”

dogslayeggs,

How do you pronounce the U in SCUBA? How do you pronounce the two As in NASA? The A in BASE jumping? The O in POG juice? The O in SONAR? The I in SIM card? The A in LASER?

RememberTheApollo_, (edited )

I went looking for it, and apparently you’re right. He said “Jif”. He’s either trolling or being obstinate. People don’t see it that way, especially seeing as it’s the hard “G” from “Graphical” in the initialism. So he’s applying a pronunciation rule of soft G when followed with “i” when used in a word to an initialism - and acronyms aren’t words (noted: they can become treated as such).

GIF is not a word. So soft “g” when followed by “i” does not apply.

E: corrected to initialism, and now we have to debate if an initialism pronounced as an acronym should obey the soft G rule, or if it should be an exception. Exceptions do exist, so the soft G is not a hard rule.

Electromechanical_Supergiant,

There is no such thing as a “hard g” or a “soft g”. There is a g sound, and there is a j sound.

Yes, I will die on this hill.

LowtierComputer,

How do you pronounce bridge or baggage?

zalgotext,

Brij

Baggaj

Yeah, a soft g is kinda just a j

Electromechanical_Supergiant,

With J sounds, of course.

Bajjaj

Rhaedas,
@Rhaedas@kbin.social avatar

The funny thing is that even though there are people on both sides dead set they are right, if they hear someone say the opposite pronunciation they still understand what the speaker is referring to. So there's absolutely no context lost, it's just preference, and I have a feeling given the age of the name GIF those preferences are very regional, as the internet had not become a national/international thing yet.

dogslayeggs,

It’s almost like there is no rule when pronouncing acronyms and people choose to pronounce them however sounds best to them. How do you pronounce the U in SCUBA? How do you pronounce the two As in NASA? The A in BASE jumping? The O in POG juice? The O in SONAR? The I in SIM card? The A in LASER? None of those are pronounced like the composite letters, so why is GIF so rigid?

RememberTheApollo_,

It isn’t rigid.

The soft G with the following i is common. There are exceptions to that rule, so it really isn’t always a rule.

Also, GIF is an initialism, and an initialism pronounced as a word becomes an acronym. I really don’t want to debate whether an acronym has to obey “real” word rules.

lazerCovenant,

Acronyms are words. They’re words formed out of the initial letters of a phrase or name.

RememberTheApollo_,

I went and looked it up.

Acronym is the most correct term. GIF can be an initialism or an acronym, however it becomes an acronym when we pronounce it as a word.

I’m not going to get into a debate over it obeying word rules when it starts as an initialism. That’s for scholars and asklemmy shenanigans.

BoastfulDaedra,

I read that as “Yan-dolf”.

I am not even making this up.

jdf038,

OK you fancy Dutch dude. What’re ya gonna do now? Brag about bicycles and socialized medicine?!!! (He says, jealous af)

SaltyIceteaMaker,
@SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

You mean yealous

Socsa,

It’s clearly laurel-dolf

BoastfulDaedra,

Nah, the "a"s are silent.

lugal,

canon

It’s pronounced sanon btw

MeatPilot, (edited )
@MeatPilot@lemmy.world avatar

You mean the Sanon the Dork Lard?

andrew,
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

From the original çanon of course

jaybone,

It’s pronounced source.

Assman,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

Jandalf, yes I was once called that. Jandalf the Jray.

Ryan213,
@Ryan213@lemmy.world avatar

Now I am Jandalf the Hwhite.

pendulum_,
@pendulum_@lemmy.world avatar

After smearing myself with chool hwip

Ryan213,
@Ryan213@lemmy.world avatar

Why do you keep saying it like that?!

dudinax,

Op doesn’t know Frodo’s real name is Froda. Tolkien changed it for modern ears.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot, (edited )

Yep. And Samwise was Banazîr.

EDIT: Just did some more checking and, while Bilbo’s name is actually Bilba, Frodo’s name isn’t Froda. It’s Maura.

andy_wijaya_med,
@andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world avatar

My whole life is a lie.

Manifish_Destiny,

Do you pronounce jpeg as “jayfeg”?

SpaceNoodle,

No, “jaypej.”

BoastfulDaedra,

Juhpoogga.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

No, zhepeJ… you know same G pronunciation as in JIF.

Siegfried,

“Sauron’s eye was supposed to be a gigantic vagina”

Agent641,

Sauron’s vag

Kushia,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

What if he was evil because he wasn’t getting any and his best attempt at making a medieval fleshlight kinda backfired.

Agent641,

One demussy to rule them all

PsychedSy,

Sauron’s whispering eye.

TheMarkus,

The genius Tolkien, ever generous, gestured for a round of gin martinis from his giant gentle giraffe. Over gentle murmurs from the crowd, I caught the gist of his speech: genuinely it’s pronounced Jandalf.

Venat0r, (edited )
BoastfulDaedra,

I would watch that movie.

danc4498,

Guess we need to remake the trilogy.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Hollywood’s probably working on that anyway.

filcuk,

They wouldn’t dare…

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t know Hollywood very well.

Annoyed_Crabby, (edited )

It will have 1 hour 30 minutes of Sam Merry and Pippin argue about potaeto and potahtoe. And Sauron will spend his time mentioning all the genders and races and gods can’t kill him while he got stabbed in his face.

timelighter,

Maybe this time they can put in some GOD DAMN TOM BOMBADIL

BoastfulDaedra,

You sit the FUCK BACK DOWN, BOMBADIL! You won a Tolkien sweepstakes and got name dropped in the book, that’s all!!!

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