We all know that won’t happen because most users don’t give a shit about things like conserving hardware or the resources that went into making them, and will just use this as an excuse to splurge on the latest shiny device.
Herein lies the rub where the discourse online always fails. It’s easy to blame the rich, corporations, politicians, etc. but the end of the day they’re simply doing what the masses want. We are the problem.
Now that said, I understand the appeal of blaming a smaller segment of the population because it’s easier to shift blame and it’s easier to force change that way, but rest assured Apple stops making a new phone every year their brand dies unless everyone stops doing it. They’re doing it because we are conditioned to want it.
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fr tho, that ‘smaller segment of the population’ owns the means of production/computation. so yes, I do blame them. and so should you and anyone with more that a couple folds in their brain.
If you’re saying everyone is providing your point, I think you disproved your own point.
They’re doing it because we are conditioned to want it.
Conditioning a behavior is basic psych101. It’s a controlled external stimulus which illicits a desirable action from the subject. So a conditioned consumer is subject to external stimulie which illicits them to spend. I wouldn’t blame the subject here, I’d blame the one doing the conditioning.
Regardless of all that, you are right but so wrong. We are all to blame, but I mean corporations and us. Politicians and the oligarchs aren’t responsible for what you or I do. What they are responsible for is manipulating systems to benefit themselves over the interests of the general public.
Since politicians and the business elite wield so much influence that makes them more responsible than you or I who really can’t make a big difference on our own. You’re blaming the proletariat for being the proletariat, but we don’t choose whether or not we are. You can work as hard as you can your entire life and you’ll never amount to the level of power and influence Elon, Jeff, Mark, Bill, or Steve had/have.
Nah, that’s shit. We are not the problem. The people in this thread don’t seem to be the kind of people to go out and buy the latest device every 6 months. I keep my phones for years until either the performance or battery becomes nearly unusable for me. I install Linux on older hardware (and newer hardware) and buy new hardware when necessary, not every time it comes out.
You can blame the average person, sure, but saying all of us is just incorrect.
Nah I haven’t bought a new machine in years, sticking to the old school bro. But I get it, a lot of people who are gamers or streamers would definitely buy in and I get why too because so long as the internet speeds keep increasing, there will be more streamers for the next big game or influencer chit chat etc
In the tint2 docs do a ctrl-f for ‘icon’ — does any of that look like it could be of any use to you? I am not sure I understand the issue but maybe this:
launcher_icon_theme = name_of_theme : (Optional) Uses the specified icon theme to display shortcut icons. Note that tint2 will detect and use the icon theme of your desktop if you have an XSETTINGS manager running (which you probably do), unless launcher_icon_theme_override = 1.
launcher_icon_theme_override = boolean (0 or 1) : Whether launcher_icon_theme overrides the value obtained from the XSETTINGS manager. (since 0.12)
If not try searching for ‘icon’ in the rest of the repo, issues etc.
Here is some troubleshooting ideas I have. Do any of them make any difference whatsoever
Using a very generic, well supported icon theme with no customization. Is the problem that tint2 isn’t picking up any icon theme or it just isn’t picking up these icons? If not picking up any icons, then what icons is it using?
create a fresh user on system with all default settings and see if anything is different? And if you have done system level customizations you could even try a fresh system liveboot/VM but that is a lot of work to be fair.
change your xfce4-appearance and xfwm-settings themes
Do you install icon themes for the user or the system? Try the other way does it make a difference?
I am using latest stable xfce4 (1.18 I think) with tint2 for task list and xfce4-panel for workspace switcher miniature view. From what I’ve noticed, the icons in both are always the same between the two of them. Tbh in general I have found changing icon themes very annoying and inconsistent across the system with some applications and tray items being resistant. Like firefox developer I find is impervious to icon themes. Do you have the issue with all applications including very well-supported ones like thunar or mousepad?
There is a command called gtk-update-icon-cache/gtk4-update-icon-cache but I don’t know if it would help.
So I set the theme to Papirus, which came pre-installed. Most icons are ok I think, but I am still missing icons in tint2 for Slack, Freetube, and Firetools. I get a generic window icon.
The kitty terminal icon in the tint2 panel is also different from the Papirus theme icon.
Tried uninstalling the icon theme and reinstalling following the instruction on github (installed to root), but no dice.
I admit I find icons under xfce4 to be very mysterious. There are all kinds of weird behaviours I can’t explain.
However I am not the only one. There are lots of threads about the “generic icon” problem, for example: Window buttons not showing the proper icon which might have something useful for you.
Kitty has specific instructions for its icon. I don’t mind the kitty icon so I never changed it.
Is the overall problems you are facing different in tint2 than in the xfce panel? if you open them both up is one able to access the correct icons and the other isn’t? I’m out of ideas in either case but it would at least clarify if the problem has anything to do with tint2 or is a general icon thing. If its a general icon thing you’re in luck because there a lot broader resources. If it’s a tint2 problem then you are stuck trying to figure out why.
Probably meant that Linux wouldn’t be appropriate for whoever’s needs. That can be true for some cases, not really for casual browsing use cases when pretty much 99% of all the major players in the browsing industry maintain a Linux port.
not really for casual browsing use cases when pretty much 99% of all the major players in the browsing industry maintain a Linux port.
Those users couldn’t care less about if Windows is supported or not. They wont send their 240 million computers to the landfill, they’ll just keep using them.
Either way, Windows 10 22H2 EOL is set to 14 Oct 2025 and Enterprise LTS to 12 Jan 2027. I’m sure Microsoft will cave around January 2026 whenever the first 0-day for Windows 10 22H2 Pro goes into the wild and extends support for the Pro version to 2027 as well for no extra cost. For them this makes way more business sense than having 240M machines infected giving a poor image of Windows.
For 240 million devices I think there would be some Linux can “cut it”. And second, no? My computer is 13+ years old and I am using it with basically no lagging, developing a couple of apps. Truth is all medium-tier computers made today and in recent years have reached the point where for normal use (that is daily tasks like communication, content consumption and calculations) only limiting factor for daily driver is software optimization.
They mentioned that they bought premium, so they won’t be seeing ads. Edit: Multiple people below are telling me that purchasing premium does not remove all ads, so that’s actually quite annoying.
As an aside, I really don’t get the logic of using a service like e-mail and just expecting it to be free - it’s very bizarre to me.
If it’s something important to you (as I assume e-mail is), pay for it - or stop whining about ads/nagging pop-ups.
And if you can’t pay for it, download Dovecot and try doing it yourself - it’s a fun experience, and will make you appreciate the work done by email providers. Spoiler alert: it’s a massive pain in the butt.
You get premium ads if you are on a plus subscription or a free account. Once you get premium though, then they start advertising the family pack to you!
Hmm, guess I was wrong, then - that would be very annoying; especially if you’re getting pop-ups for a family plan you won’t ever be able to make use of as you’re a solo user.
In case you didn’t know, you can turn off promotional emails in Settings -> Dashboard -> Email Subscriptions or by adding a mail filter to push them all into an advertisement folder, and the other ads can be mitigated by hitting “don’t show this offer again” on each one
I didn’t know that. But that’s sort of the problem. As a paying user, I shouldn’t have to go searching through my settings to disable it. They do the same shit with user signatures.
My problem is that I only need to use the VPN, but I get pop ups all the time asking if I want to subscribe to their all in one plan or buy their black Friday deal. When all I want to do is connect to the VPN.
So yes, even when you subscribe you still get pop ups (and in their apps too so you can’t even use ublock origin to block them).
Yeah they ended forwarded ports on 2023-07-01. I was pretty sad when they did so and I had to move because I loved what they were doing and was extremely happy with my subscription.
Sorry, I don’t use proton mail. It sounds annoying, but please understand that I am not talking from the perspective of a person who uses the service and is directly affected by them.
I pay for the subscription and if I didn’t I do not mind free services asking for money. If you are giving me a free service and not data mining me then you have every right to nag me.
Gmail litterally puts ads in your inbox that look like emails so I doubt any service is gonna be worse than that.
Yeah if you don't pay its fine, but if you have mail plus, they will have pop ups advertising premium. Once you get premium? They start advertising family!
I have premium and I have received emails regarding the family plan, not popups. And honestly I want those emails because the family is a fantastic value proposition. Too bad you only get 3 custom domains to share with 5 other people, that is really not enough :/
If they ever change it to at least a domain per person I want them to email me about it.
Emails, opt-in are fine yeah. I don't mind the little Special offer button at the top either, it's just the pop-up when I'm just trying to check my mails that is really intrusive.
And the sewer is filled with literal shit, it doesn't make a complaint over a pop-up ad on a paid tier any less valid. Get ya whataboutism out of here!
They have some shady (or at least questionable) enough actions in their past, some even covered by mainstream media, that made me dismiss them as an option. I went with the German hosted mailbox.org instead. Swiss law (where proton is hosted) is actually quite a bit less protective of privacy than EU/German law, or maybe just protected in other ways. The international reputation of privacy protecting character of Swiss law seems to be outdated?
Just to be clear, I can’t remember exactly what the specific events were that caused me to reconsider back when I switched years ago. When I just did some quick (!) searches just now, I found statements that they would only record ip addresses in “extreme criminal cases”, but examples include cases of trespassing and property damage. Not exactly child molesters and serial killers (example source). I also understand that the (Swiss) laws relevant to them probably forced them to, but at the very least that seems dishonest or misleading advertising.
More people should start charging for their work and actually staffing security. I like zorin just for the fact that I have expectations for items I pay for where things that are free I can’t really hold accountable.
I know that’s antiFOSS but I’m somewhere in the middle lately. I want to pay for quality but still be able to tinker with it.
That’s not exactly anti-FOSS, to my understanding, since the “free” part refers to freedom. As long as after you pay you are free to use the software as you want and get access to the source code, I think it might still count as FOSS? And then, of course, there’s the option of paid support on free (of charge) software, though I think recent events might suggest that’s not really sustainable.
I think a lot of people dislike Ubuntu because of Gnome and Snaps, which is weird to me. You can fairly easily change desktop environment and most Snaps have apt or Flatpak alternatives.
I’m simply not going to support a distro that creates a proprietary service and ships it as the default source of software. I will support and use distros that open source their code so that everyone can benefit from it. Whether workarounds or alternatives exist is unimportant, my prime issue with Ubuntu and Canonical is with their principles, not Ubuntu’s quality as a product to be consumed by me.
It’s just simpler to pick a distribution that matches your choices out of the box, rather than hacking a distro. And I’m talking about Snap in particular.
I would propose you try to split the data you have manually into logically separate parts, so that you could logically fit 0.8 TB on one drive, 0.4 TB on another, and maybe sets of 0.2TB+0.2TB on a third one. Then you’d have a script that uses traditional backup approaches with modern backup apps to back up the particular data set for the disk you have attached to the system. This approach will allow you to access painlessly modern “infinite increments” backups where you persist older versions of data without doing full and incremental backups separately. You should then write a script to ensure no important data is forgotten to be backed up and that there are no overlapping backups (except for data you want to back up twice?).
For example, you could have a physical drive with sticker “photos and music” on it to back up your ~/Photos and ~/Music.
At some point some of those splits might become too large to fit into its allocated storage, which would be additional manual maintenance. Apply foresight to avoid these situations :).
If that kind of separation is not possible, then I guess tar+multi volume splitting is one option, as suggested elsewhere.
That is actually what I’m currently doing, in fact my file server is already organized in this way, but i personally don’t like it for offline backups because it still forces me to play digital tetris and work out what directories will fit on what drive, and there is also the issue that some of my directories, particularly the one containing all the lossless files from my (hobby) photography work, is getting close to growing larger than 1 TB at this point (I do a ton of urban and industrial photography and I honestly might have most of the interesting parts of my city documented at this point, plus different versions the same scene with different settings which is how I ended up with so much data). Though I suppose I can just split it into separate years instead of just one huge directory. I’m personally hoping for something that can automate this process so I don’t have to consciously keep track of it as much (I don’t trust my brain sometimes), currently experimenting with some of the suggested solutions, maybe I’ll find one that works better, if not then I’ll stick to the method you mentioned. Thank you for the suggestion though!
Although I’m not surprised, it is interesting that the same big tech companies like Apple and Microsoft taking stances on being “environmentally conscious” while also ignoring forced obsoletion of old hardware. Your average office environment just needs basic email, document/excel editing software and a browser. Now to continue to do these base functions, they have to buy new PCs to do the same exact thing. And it’s not even faster anymore due to the bloat.
If tech wants to preach about the environment, they best start figuring out ways to keep computers out of the landfills.
Was it EVER faster though? My experience with Windows has always been that they release new versions based on upcoming hardware specs and unless you spend top-dollar on the very latest hardware for their next release, you are going to see things moving slower on the new desktop. That’s one of things I’ve enjoyed about linux, you can pretty much always upgrade the OS on an older machine without concern of taking a hit on the performance, and sometimes you even get a boost.
Although I’m not surprised, it is interesting that the same big tech companies like Apple and Microsoft taking stances on being “environmentally conscious” while also ignoring forced obsoletion of old hardware.
That’s purely greenwashing marketing hype, with Apple being the worst offender. Now Microsoft seems to be following in their footsteps, although they’re still better in this regard than Apple.
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