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AlijahTheMediocre, (edited ) in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

Now KDE needs to implement a consistent design language for its apps, clean up its settings, and have better defaults. Not asking KDE to copy Gnome, just that it needs a lot more work to be palletable to someone using it for the first time.

gnumdk,
@gnumdk@lemmy.ml avatar

TODO since KDE 3…

TheGrandNagus, in Your chosen desktop Linux defaults?

Fedora Workstation (i.e. the Gnome one)

Separate /home partition

Then the only other changes are to a few keyboard shortcuts, icons, and changing Firefox to a GTK4-style theme.

Limit,

I’m coming back to linux as a main desktop, finally ditching windows (again). I tried out fedora workstation and the fedora KDE spin. KdE looks so good now, before i atteibuted it to a windows wanna-be knock off. This was back in the windows xp days… now it looks so polished. I probably prefer it to gnome because I’ve been a windows user for so long but gnome is nice with its minimal approach, looks nice and clean. Can’t get away from how nice KDE looks though, I’m going to stick with that I think.

stepanzak, (edited ) in I made it to Linux! What is your must-have FOSS or Free Software for linux?

Logseq is a pretty nice FOSS alternative to Obsidian I came across recently. Tmux is absolutely necessary for any terminal work. Wezterm is my favorite terminal emulator because you can easily disable all of the shortcuts except very few you want (tmux handles most of terminal stuff for me). Some new alternatives to old command line utilities:

  • bat is cat but 1000 times better. I love it so much!

fun factI also recently learned that it’s safer, because you can have a file that has some bad command, then the backspace character several times, and cat doesn’t display the characters “deleted” by the backspaces (but it still executes). Bat doesn’t do that.

  • fd is better find
  • rg (ripgrep) is better grep
  • zoxide is better cd
  • dust is better du
CatLikeLemming,
@CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Personally, instead of Tmux, I’d recommend trying Zellij. I started with Zellij right out of the gate, but a friend of mine who dislikes Tmux a lot quite enjoyed Zellij, so I assume it’s somewhat better.

stepanzak,

I know about Zellij, but in its current state, I think it doesn’t make sense for me to switch. I really lobe my Tmux setup, and I don’t think I would be able to replicate it on Zellij, mainly because of Tmux plugins I use. I also don’t think that Zellij currently has any advantages over Tmux except for better default config and user friendliness that I don’t need. I’m looking forward to the Zellij ecosystem getting better tho. Some day, I will probably make the switch. The WASM tabs feature looks extremely promising!

sag,

You know any better cd?

boomzilla,

I use zoxide plus fzf which ends looking like this.

My default go-to for a better cd was teleport when I still was on bash. The tp command can be aliased to cd. I don’t think it will run on other shells though.

stepanzak,

What? It’s literary in my comment.

sag,

Oh, Sorry I didn’t notice also thanks to tell us about bat. It’s much better than cat.

kittenzrulz123, in Firealpaca (Proprietary Painting Software) Releases Linux Version

looks nice

flamingos,

Its brush engine is kinda bad though. You basically have to turn on “Zero pressure at both ends” and put the stabiliser up to like 15 to get anything usable. Not sure I can recommend it.

Spectacle8011,
@Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

I’ve heard some artists prefer FireAlpaca to Krita. Is there anything it does better than Krita?

radioactiveradio,

I used to, it’s brush felt lighter than krita back in krita 4 days. I changed my tune since switching to Linux and since they overhauled their brush engine.

I even recently went back to medibang for ze feels and their brush engine feels very barebones.

flamingos,

It’s main advantage, as far as I can tell, is having a much simpler interface. It’s snapping tools are trivial to use and discover, but far less robust than Krita’s assistant tool. It’s easier to add brushes, but you have far less options in configuring them. I don’t thinks there’s anything that Firealpaca can do that’s partially hard to do in Krita. Also, Firealpaca doesn’t have a dark mode.

I’m not an experienced artist though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Spectacle8011,
@Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

Cheers. I use Krita myself, but I’ve heard people say “Krita is terrible; try FireAlpaca.” I think that might be because it has performance issues on other operating systems; I’m not in a position to test. It’s good to hear Krita is basically ahead on all fronts except learning curve. Nonetheless, it’s nice to see a Linux version. FireAlpaca advertises a Dark Mode, but I’m guessing it’s a paid-only feature.

radioactiveradio,

I have my krita interface set up like firealpaca lol. The only feature krita missing now is the comic panel slicer tool.

ghosthand,
@ghosthand@lemmy.ml avatar

Interesting. Can you explain how it works, please?

radioactiveradio, (edited )

You can drag around windows or “Dockers” as they call them just like Photoshop and arrange them however you like. When you happy with the arrangement you can save it as a preset.

edit: Here’s the workspace file for it if you want.

ghosthand,
@ghosthand@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh nice. 👍

fhein,

Even when using it with a tablet, or did you try drawing with a mouse?

flamingos,

Tablet, for whatever reason it gives blobby output like this:

https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/6b06bfcb-2546-476d-bb7f-478360409fed.png

fhein,

Maybe some bug in the Linux version? E.g. if they’re receiving input events at a different rate than on Windows, and the code assumes it’s always the same… Just speculation but it feels like it wouldn’t be easy to draw anything if it was like this for everybody.

magikmw,

Man, you just don’t have this kind of insight anywhere outside of people into FOSS. Even with proprietary software ready to get into specifics and try to grok the issue. Kudos.

fhein,

It’s only a wild guess, though I have seen similar issues in other projects :), but I thought it might be worth reporting it to the developer in case it’s a just a bug. I love FOSS, it’s so satisfying being able to fix (some of) my own issues instead of having to hope that the closed source devs have time and motivation to fix it for you. SteamVR for Linux is one of those projects that feel like it could be so much better if they could open source it…

woodgen, in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks

Why is everything a folder? What does a debian or android folder do?

omnissiah,
@omnissiah@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

It folds Debian to prevent Debian prions

XTornado,

Debían no idea… But I guess android could be android studio folders or similar stuff?

FooBarrington,

It’s deb, not Debian, so I’d assume it’s the icon for .deb files (which are browsable archives).

richardisaguy, (edited )
@richardisaguy@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, everything will be a folder in plasma 6, including applications, don’t worry, you I’ll love the new Firefox folder. Its the natural progression of things, don’t try to stop it.

leap123,
@leap123@lemmy.world avatar

Everything’s previously a file, now everything is a folder

Holzkohlen,

Look forward to Plasma 6 where everything will be an application. Downloads folder? That’s an application now. A font you just installed? Application. The video you just downloaded? You guessed it

Blaiz0r, in Who uses pure GNOME (no extensions)

You’re trying to use Gnome the way you’re used to using a desktop.

If you try and learn the Gnome way, you’ll have a better time.

To be honest I had the same problem when I first went from Windows to OSX, I was struggling, trying to make OSX familiar, but when I decided to learn the Apple way, everything became easier.

mfat,

My problem is that I feel gnome is geared toward a certain group of people users who use a limited set of apps and want to focus on development work.

Blaiz0r,

Well I think that’s the issue here. It’s not geared towards a group of people, but towards an ideal workflow which is the Gnome Way.

If you’re someone that likes to have masses of applications or windows open you can certainly use Gnome, but the Gnome is more focused on one or two windows per desktop/workspace and I encourage you to embrace that way of working too

Again, it’s not about people, but the intended user experience.

I remember when Windows first introduced My Documents folder and subfolders for images, music, video. To begin with I rejected this folder because I wanted my folders in the root C: as I had always done. Eventually I decided to use these folders and I learned to appreciate the convenience of this, including all the additional thumbnails and meta data that the OS provided automatically for those folders.

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  • Blaiz0r,

    Well said, although I do think Gnome is for everyone, they’re just being stubborn 😜

    MigratingtoLemmy,

    Herbstluftwm fans disagree

    soulfirethewolf, in If only more Linux programs followed sandboxing best practices...

    It’s nice to see good app security being praised. Sometimes it feels like some people on lemmy (and the fediverse) throw security to the wind.

    Like one time I had heard someone over on Mastodon say that they thought that HTTPS was too overused and shouldn’t have been everywhere because it makes older apps unable to access sites and also made adblocking just ever so slightly harder.

    Which yeah, I love adblockers, but I’m definitely not comfortable with all traffic having to go unencrypted just for it.

    JustARegularNerd,

    But my 1998 Windows CE device that’s made obsolete by those meddling modern security practices!

    BuckShot686, in Anyone else experiencing high CPU and disk load by gnome tracker after upgrading fedora to 39?
    @BuckShot686@beehaw.org avatar

    Just going off how things are setup in the KDE spin, the tracker is what allows you to search and find files on the machine. Disabling it would most likely make it tough to find files. But I’m not familiar with gnome just to be clear. I’d say report it and hopefully someone else can provide better detail.

    Illecors, in My ubuntu installation broke completely

    Honestly, for a long term usage like this a rolling release distro is better. I’ve never not had massive issues upgrading ubuntu release to release, but I’ve only ever had minor ones on arch and pretty much nothing on gentoo. Arch is bleeding edge, so can’t recommend it to you all that much and gentoo has some learning curve initially. But I’ve heard good things of whatever rolling names are from fedora and opensuse.

    angrymouse,

    There is MocaccinoOS based on gentoo, I used it when it was sabayon and was a great experience overall.

    KISSmyOS,

    There is no problem with using a point release system long term. The problem is using Ubuntu. I’ve never once successfully upgraded it from one release to the next without issues, errors, things breaking or loss of functionality. It’s the main reason why I’ll never use Ubuntu again.

    notfromhere,

    I’ve upgraded several Ubuntu LTS versions to newer LTS and have been running fine. The problems come up when you wait too long and the repos don’t have the needed packages anymore. You can still fuddle your way through even that scenario and retain a fully working system.

    IsoKiero,

    You can still fuddle your way through even that scenario and retain a fully working system.

    Or at least you used to have that option without too much of a headache. I’m pretty sure you can still do it tho, but the steps required to ‘rescue’ old installation tend to be more complex than they used to be.

    notfromhere,

    For a desktop system, I think something like NixOS is probably the way to go. Keep your home partition then blow away the system and boot if there are ever any issues then install the system from your backed-up system config file and you’re golden.

    KISSmyOS,

    Ubuntu changes the entire underlying technology too often cause they always try to introduce their own system in place of something that’s already established (Upstart, Unity, Snap, etc.)
    My last experiences with Ubuntu were one upgrade that failed to boot after following all the recommended steps, one upgrade where the release notes themselves recommended a fresh install to enable all functionality and a fresh install where the first thing I saw after booting was an error message by Gnome about a crashed service.

    I left the distro after that and haven’t looked back. Admittedly, that was quite some time ago. It’s likely they’ve improved since then (but so have all other distros).

    notfromhere, (edited )

    I’m glad we have companies helping to push the envelope and try new things. I may not always like the direction they take things, e.g., the Unity desktop turned me off for a few releases, and I always seem to run KDE since gnome went off the rails (imo), but it doesn’t hurt anything and the whole ecosystem is probably better for it. If it hurts then people move to alternatives and hopefully Canonical backpedals, or people move on and Ubuntu withers.

    dino,

    People think “updates are time consuming” therefore prefer LTS because its supported for longer. I parole for quite some time that LTS has no place for private use and rolling release is the right way.

    fossisfun, (edited )
    @fossisfun@lemmy.ml avatar

    I can’t stand rolling releases (for personal use) and I never recommend them to anyone. To me it feels like being in drift sand.

    I need fixed releases to test my documentation (shell scripts) against something. With a rolling release those scripts can break at any time, unless you read the changelog of every package update.

    But I also want and use fully automatic updates, so reading changelogs for every update would be the direct opposite of what I am looking for in an OS. I am ok with reading release notes every couple of months for a distribution upgrade though.

    I want my systems to be reproducible and that’s impossible with drift sand rolling releases. In my opinion Fedora or Ubuntu have a decent release cycle, I would never consider Arch or Tumbleweed or Solus.

    dino,

    Uhm you never actually used a rolling release distro obviously. Why would you have to read change logs? Also what are you referring to with “test my documentation (shell scripts)”? Why would those not work if package xyz is updated? You are not making much sense, but maybe I am lacking the experience in UNIX to understand your point of view.

    Your package manager should tell you about conflicts and even if it doesn’t and something is not working like it did before, you do a simple snapshot rollback and wait another week to update or actually read what might cause the issue. And those incidents are like super rare, at least on Opensuse Tumbleweed (e.g. 2-3 times in a year).

    fossisfun,
    @fossisfun@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’ve used Arch Linux and openSUSE Tumbleweed in the past and I have been using Linux for over 10 years …

    With each new version of an application there’s the change that configuration files or functionality changes. Packages might even get replaced with others.

    You would be surprised how much changes between Ubuntu LTS versions … My archived Ubuntu installation script had lots of if-statements for different versions of Ubuntu, since stuff got moved around. Such things can be as simple as gsettings schemas (keys might get renamed), but even these minor changes make documentation and therefore reproducable reinstallations troublesome.

    With a fixed release all these changes are nicely bundled in one large upgrade every couple of months/years, which makes it easy to document and to plan when to do the upgrade.

    dino, (edited )

    With each new version of an application there’s the change that configuration files or functionality changes. Packages might even get replaced with others.

    Even if this would be true, how would that impact your configuration? It doesn’t full-stop. If you want to access those new features you simply need to check how to activate them in your config file. Or are you making config edits in /etc/ ?!

    Your next paragraph I don’t understand, it seems specifically aimed at some kind of self “maintained” script, which as nothing to do with rolling release or distributions.

    fossisfun, (edited )
    @fossisfun@lemmy.ml avatar

    how would that impact your configuration?

    It impacts my documentation. If, for example, gsettings set org.gnome.software allow-update false no longer works, because they changed the key from allow-update to updates-allowed, then my documentation no longer works correctly. Same when new technology is introduced, e. g. a switch from Pulseaudio to Pipewire. With a rolling release distribution these changes can happen at any time, whereas with a fixed release these changes only occur when a new release of the distribution is made and I upgrade to it.

    I don’t have the time to continously track these changes and modify my documentation accordingly. Therefore I appreciate it if people bundle all those changes for me into one single distribution upgrade and write release notes with a changelog. Then I can spend a day reading the release notes, adjust the documentation, apply the upgrade on all devices and then move on for the next couple of months/years.

    which as nothing to do with rolling release or distributions.

    I tried to explain to you why I dislike rolling release distributions. That’s why I tried to give you one example where a fixed release distribution is more suitable in my opinion.

    I understand that these things might not matter to you, if you only have one computer (or so) to maintain at home or maintaining home computers is your hobby. But I have four personal computers and multiple devices from the family to maintain and system administration is no longer my hobby …

    dino,

    But I have four personal computers and multiple devices from the family to maintain and system administration is no longer my hobby …

    but you are writing documentation for scripts?

    fossisfun,
    @fossisfun@lemmy.ml avatar

    but you are writing documentation for scripts?

    No, I document my installations with scripts, so that I am able to install multiple computers the same way.

    nottheengineer,

    LTS does have a place on the desktop: Learning how to daily drive linux. I started with kubuntu non-LTS and didn’t know you needed to manually start a full-upgrade to not get moved to backport repos. Of course that came crashing down on me at the worst time and I took a break from linux. But I did learn enough that I can use arch now and it’s been great.

    dino,

    I don’t understand what it means to "not get moved to backport repos, but this seems ubuntu specific. What you need is proper rollback/snapshot mechanisms in place. Looking at Tumbleweed which offers it out of the box. For Arch you can set it up yourself or use something community made like EndeavourOS.

    LTS has no place on personal desktops.

    IsoKiero,

    I haven’t been paying attention on the rolling releases scene, but I’m pretty sure there was no mature option back when I installed that thing in 2019 or so other than Debian Sid (and daily driving that used to be an adventure in itself, but it’s been years since I last had a system like that). With ubuntu since at least version 14 upgrading from stable release to another was pretty stable experience, but that’s not the experience I’m having today.

    taladar,

    Debian sid is not a distro, it is a staging area for Debian testing. It is not meant for use other than testing new packages.

    IsoKiero,

    But regardless of that you can still daily drive it as your distribution and many do. That’s why I said it’s an adventure of it’s own, but if you know what you’re getting into and accept the reality with Sid it can work. Personally I don’t want to use it at this point in my life, but I used to run it for several years when woody was getting a bit old on packages and sarge wasn’t out yet (and I think I just continued with sid after sarge release).

    dino,

    Iam using Tumbleweed for close to 10 years now and it was pretty mature from the start. You can’t go wrong with rolling release + perfectly configured btrfs + snapper by default.

    IsoKiero,

    You might be correct, but I haven’t found one that I’d like (not that I’ve really looked for one either). Maybe you know if there’s any Debian derivatives which do rolling releases?

    I like cinnamon and I’ve been running mint on my laptop for quite a while and I like it, so I’m going with it right now and plan for my next distro-hopping needs more carefully when installing.

    But in general I’d say that Ubuntu is far from what it used to be and the TLC the latest version wants is just something I’m not willing to put up with. If something breaks on a update then it breaks, but at least give me an option to choose when it happens.

    KISSmyOS,

    Maybe you know if there’s any Debian derivatives which do rolling releases?

    No need for derivatives. Just use Debian Unstable. It’s the most stable rolling release distro I’ve used so far.

    notfromhere,

    I just had pacman uninstall itself the other day during a routine -Syu. I was finally able to figure out how to fix it, untar the pkg to / and then tell pacman to install pacman with —overwrite.

    Illecors,

    That sounds fun

    notfromhere,

    My first arch system and so far haven’t completely borked it yet haha

    Illecors,

    You won’t. Arch has very little glue that holds it together and the components are quite robust. Buntus of this world, on the other hand, have plenty of glue to enforce their way. And it might be good for first timers, but definitely gets in a way as you start learning the system. My last annoyance like this was disabling gdm - it just kept coming back. Some script somewhere was making sure thr service was running no matter what.

    Zucca,

    I’ve only ever had minor ones on arch and pretty much nothing on gentoo.

    My biggest complaint with Arch was that downgrading wasn’t officially supported.

    With Gentoo I don’t have pretty much nothing to complain. But I get it’s not for everyone.

    That said I’ve not ran many different distros as my main distro. I went with mkLinux --> Gentoo --> Arch --> Gentoo.

    TangledHyphae, (edited ) in Linux holds more than 8% market share in India, and it's on the upward trend

    We really need more marketing of Linux itself. I run ubuntu and run Cyberpunk 2077 natively, with a wireless gamepad… It’s all out of the box, I don’t know why people are afraid of it?

    Edit: It does take about 30 seconds to load things into VRAM, but still worth all of it.

    JackGreenEarth, in Windows 11 vs Linux supported HW

    I could never go back to Windows, after having tasted the freedom of Linux.

    DarkThoughts,

    Linux has its flaws, but so does Windows. And for me, the flaws in Windows became much more annoying than the ones in Linux. Game compatibility was the main factor that kept me backt from using it on a desktop, and that's a non issue nowadays.

    blackbrook,

    Flaws I didn’t pay for piss me off a lot less.

    TheGrandNagus, in Who uses pure GNOME (no extensions)

    I use blur my shell, but I don’t really need it.

    I started liking Gnome a lot more once I let go of trying to recreate the Win95 UX that pretty much everyone else uses.

    It was such a pain at first, but then it just clicked and now I couldn’t go back to that clunky workflow.

    I know most people like it that way, but IMO Microsoft didn’t create the perfect UX paradigm back in the early 90s

    shapis,
    @shapis@lemmy.ml avatar

    How long did it take for it to click for you? I tried for about a year and it never did to me.

    I ended up quite fast at it but it never became natural.

    TheGrandNagus,

    It took a couple of weeks of irritation

    So maybe it’s just not for everyone! Good thing we have plenty of options

    yum13241,

    I agree. I prefer a windows 7 like Superbar more.

    Please XFCE, stop wasting my dock space. I use KDE solely because I couldn’t get a normal taskbar on XFCE.

    finder, (edited ) in Who uses pure GNOME (no extensions)

    That’s me!

    Keyboard centricity is a bonus to me. I don’t like having visible UI elements that don’t do anything for me (docks, task bars). I also dislike the trend of programs not closing when I close them (system trays).

    In addition to these things, I value a degree of minimalism, and I’m a heavy user of virtual desktops.

    I don’t need to cope with any of these potential downsides, as they’re not downsides to me in the first place. All of this said, the KDE community seems a lot more welcoming. I tend to suggest KDE Plasma for any people trying out Linux.

    Hope this helps 👍

    EDIT: I almost forgot to mention the most controversial one of them all. I love single click to open.

    yum13241,

    For your last sentence, single click can prevent things like carpal tunnel, but at the same time that’s undoing decades of habit.

    corsicanguppy, in If only more Linux programs followed sandboxing best practices...

    Still not worth dependency hell.

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Relevance?

    TheGrandNagus,

    Flatpak reduces dependency hell… and proper sandboxing has nothing to do with dependency hell.

    PlexSheep, in Best Linux distro for gaming on a crappy integrated graphics old PC?

    Can’t do a lot wrong with Linux mint I suppose. Stable software so support should be good, cinnamon doesn’t have too much fancy stuff that would use up ressources iirc.

    It’s my top recommendation for beginners, might switch back to it some time.

    wombatula,

    Thanks! I should note, I did use Ubuntu for a few years quite a while ago, so not quite a beginner but still gonna have to relearn a lot of things.

    init,

    In that case, Pop!_OS might be a good option to try. It’s built on Ubuntu and doesn’t have snapd garbage on it. I’ve been using it as a daily driver for 2 years now and I’ve had zero problems.

    PlexSheep,

    Mint is also Ubuntu based with no snaps crap

    init, (edited )

    Mint is an awesome option too. For me it came down to the UI as the primary decision factor. I prefer MacOS aesthetics to Windows.

    There are a host of other issues I have with how Microsoft (and Apple!!) do things, and really, the GUI is the least of those problems. But it is also the most obvious problem because I’m looking at it all day at work.

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