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ulterno, (edited ) in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

You need to first understand what kind of interaction you expect with your OS. For this, you can start by considering what you use your OS for and currently what you do for your OS. e.g. Before I jumped to Linux, I was just starting to learn PowerShell on Win, because I saw a lot of places in my system where I wanted to use it. I felt consistently dissatisfied with the lack of things I could just tell the system to do, making me go to scripting. This way, I knew I won’t have a problem with putting time into something that takes a lot of configuring. But since I was still new and wanted an easy start, I went with Manjaro KDE. It was based on Arch, but had a system of differed updates, giving me a feel of it being easier. Plus, it had a lot of customisations out of the box, some of which, I learnt from, when making my own configurations for EndeavourOS. EndeavourOS considers itself to be more terminal oriented, and it is possible to easily get a full-fledged tty system, just by selecting it in the installer. I chose KDE because I like changing the Appearance a lot, but you might want to look at other DEs depending upon your expectations.

Ubuntu has been shifting a lot to snaps, so if you want your computer to be snappy (the literal meaning), you might want to avoid it (ironically). But at the same time, if you want less configuration requirements and want to keep most of your exp outside the terminal, on top of finding it easier to install software from vendors’ websites, you can consider it. If you are fine with putting in the minimal amount of brain usage it takes to understand the installation instructions of the website - and by that I mean, read the heading telling you which distro the copy-paste text is meant for (I know ppl too lazy to do that and trying paste an apt command into Red Hat) - I suggest Fedora/Linux Mint and a slew of others.

DE = Desktop Environment apt = Package Manager (kinda like an app store on terminal) used for Ubuntu

P.S.: If you choose an Arch-based distro, make sure you keep a backup OS that is in the Debian/Fedora tree. I keep a Debian KDE, mainly for older linux games, which ask for packages that have been long removed from Arch, but it is useful in case you break something. That way you won’t have to wait for the time it takes to make a Live USB and can just restart.

cows_are_underrated,

And all this comes down to the fact that you should either Install Uwuntu(if you’re a femboy) or Hanna Montana Linux(If you aren’t a femboy)

Cyberflunk, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**

PopOS or Mint. Easy peasy.

Landless2029,

Which would be better for gaming?

sparky,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

Likely no different as they’re both derived from Ubuntu which is an officially supported and sanctioned Steam platform

Mikelius, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**

I’m a Linux mint user for my main system and am no beginner. As others have said, it’s friendly to both beginners and advanced users, it’s good to see you’ve made that choice.

That being said, don’t stop there. Whether it’s in a virtual machine or some old laptop, also try one of the “from scratch” systems. I went with Gentoo and that is the root of where a ton of my Linux knowledge started. It’s my favorite distro simply because it has that history for me. You’ll find everyone has their own favorites for their own reasons, so be sure to explore and find the one that you enjoy and helps you learn.

Lemmyfunbun,

How do you survive on in Debian/Ubuntu flavor? Whenever I would need a software that was not in the repo. Have to put PPA in place to get it. To many times it would then not install becuase of package conflicts. I have up and switched to arch based distro and between primary repo nd AUR I havent looked back and been very stable.

Mikelius,

Rarely do I find software I need that’s not in the repo, but when I do, I just dusky build it myself. Not at my machine now, but I think I only have one PPA that’s not default added. In the other cases where I don’t want to build the app, it tends to be in Flatpak too.

That being said, although Mint is technically based on Ubuntu, it really doesn’t feel like it at all. I personally can’t stand Ubuntu, but again all personal opinions. If Debian-based systems didn’t work for you and an arch based distro did, then go with it. Everyone’s needs are their own and that’s why we have so many choices :D

throwawayish, (edited ) in Working instructions for OpenRazer on Fedora Silverblue?

It seems as if the uBlue images ship the required OpenRazer kmod by default. Therefore, I would suggest you to take a look at those. You still need to follow some additional steps though 😅. Which might not be very intuitive… Thus, I propose the following: if you’ll rebase to uBlue, you might as well rebase to Bazzite. After the rebase has been completed, the (post-)installation software should already give you the option (it’s just a simple toggle) to install OpenRazer. The toggle is clearly visible in this frame.

If you perceive Bazzite as too opinionated for your taste, then perhaps you might opt to the following instead:


<span style="color:#323232;">install-openrazer:
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    sudo wget https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/hardware:/razer/Fedora_$(rpm -E %fedora)/hardware:razer.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/hardware:razer.repo && 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    ublue-update --wait && 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    rpm-ostree install -y openrazer-meta razergenie && 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    if ! grep -q "plugdev" /etc/group; then 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">      sudo bash -c 'grep "plugdev" /lib/group >> /etc/group' 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    ; fi && 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    sudo usermod -a -G plugdev $USER && 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    echo "Please reboot to apply needed changes."
</span>

Which should be the just-entry (and thus responsible) for whatever happens after the toggle is enabled*.

thayer,

That’s good to know, thanks! I’m quite content with vanilla Silverblue, but I’ll take a look at their build files and see how they’re pulling it off.

throwawayish,

Aight. I’ve changed the comment a bit 😅 since. Perhaps it’s more useful for you now 😉.

Guenther_Amanita, (edited )

I wanted to make the same suggestion with uBlue. There’s also the silverblue-main image, which is very vanilla and the one I use. The kmod is already pre-installed there.

Bazzite can also be great, but it’s too opinionated for my taste. I like Silverblue also more like the devs intended.

fschaupp, in Some of y'all need to see this and drop the superiority complex...
@fschaupp@lemmy.ml avatar

Shoud we tell her/him/… about Gnome 45?

Jorgelino, (edited )

Windows 95

Windows 2000

kwedd,

This checks out, because Windows 2000 is the best Windows!

TheGreenGolem,
@TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Hey! It was Windows Me. Closely followed by Vista.

Holzkohlen,

Just use ‘them’ like a normal person

Caboose12000, in FINALLY! Worlds First Mid-Range Libreboot GAMING PC! GTA V - Max Settings - 1440p (Dell T1650 Mobo)

whats libreboot? does (what im assuming is) a bootloader really have that much impact on performance after the PC has finished booting?

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

whats libreboot? does (what im assuming is) a bootloader really have that much impact on performance after the PC has finished booting?

It’s more a BIOS replacement, not a bootloader. It can have a slightly performance decrease due to lack of optimisation vs the proprietary BIOS.

But the real issue is that Libreboot is supported in a very specific list of motherboards, which means that you don’t get to run the latest hardware.

Last I checked the newer board that supported it was like 4 years old. It might have changed now, tho

TCB13, (edited ) in Linux in the corporate space
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Linux in corporation fails in multiple ways, the most prevalent is that people need to collaborate with others that use proprietary software such as MS Office that isn’t available for Linux and the alternatives such as LibreOffice aren’t just good enough. It all comes down to ROI, the cost of Windows/Office for a company is cheaper than the cost of dealing with the inconsistencies in format conversions, people who don’t know how to use the alternative X etc etc. This issue is so common that companies usually also avoid Apple due to the same reason, while on macOS you’ve a LOT more professional software it is still very painful to deal with the small inconsistencies and whatnot.

Linux desktop is great, I love it, but it gets it even worse than Apple, here some use cases that aren’t easy to deal in Linux:

  • People who need the real MS Office because once you have to collaborate with others Open/Libre/OnlyOffice won’t cut it;
  • Designers who use Adobe apps that won’t run properly without having a dedicated GPU, passthrough and a some hacky way to get the image back into your main system that will cause noticeable delays. Who wants to deploy GPU passthroughs for others? Makes no sense;
  • People that run old software / games because not even those will run properly on Wine;
  • Electrical engineers: Circuit Design Suite (Multisim and Ultiboard) are primarily designed for Windows. Alternatives such as KiCad and EasyEDA may work in some cases but they aren’t great if you’ve to collaborate with others who use Circuit Design Suite;
  • Labs that require data acquisition from specialized hardware because companies making that hardware won’t make drivers and software for Linux;
  • Architects: AutoCAD isn’t available (not even the limited web version works) and Libre/FreeCAD don’t cut it if you’ve to collaborate with AutoCAD users;
  • Developers and sysadmins, because not everyone is using Docker and Github actions to deploy applications to some proprietary cloud solution. Finding a properly working FTP/SFTP/FTPS desktop client (similar WinSCP or Cyberduck) is an impossible task as the ones that exist fail even at basic tasks like dragging and dropping a file.

If one lives in a bubble and doesn’t to collaborate with others then native Linux apps might work and might even deliver a decent workflow. Once collaboration with Windows/Mac users is required then it’s game over – the “alternatives” aren’t just up to it.

Windows licenses are cheap and things work out of the box. Software runs fine, all vendors support whatever you’re trying to do and you’re productive from day zero. Sure, there are annoyances from time to time, but they’re way fewer and simpler to deal with than the hoops you’ve to go through to get a minimal and viable/productive Linux desktop experience. It all comes down to a question of how much time (days? months?) you want to spend fixing things on Linux that simply work out of the box under Windows for a minimal fee. Buy a Windows license and spend the time you would’ve spent dealing with Linux issues doing your actual job and you’ll, most likely, get a better ROI.

From a more market / macro perspective here are some extra reasons:

  • Companies like blame someone when things go wrong, if they chose open-source there’s isn’t someone to sue then;
  • Buying proprietary stuff means you’re outsourcing the risks of such product;
  • Corruption pushes for proprietary: they might be buying software that is made by someone that is close to the CTO, CEO or other decision marker in the company, an old friend, family or straight under the table corruption;
  • Most non-tech companies use services from consulting companies in order to get their software developed / running. Consulting companies often fall under the last point that besides that they have have large incentives from companies like Microsoft to push their proprietary services. For eg. Microsoft will easily provide all of a consulting companies employees with free Azure services, Office and other discounts if they enter in an exclusivity agreement to sell their tech stack. To make things worse consulting companies live of cheap developers (like interns) and Microsoft and their platform makes things easier for anyone to code and deploy;
  • Microsoft provider a cohesive ecosystem of products that integrate really well with each other and usually don’t require much effort to get things going - open-source however, usually requires custom development and a ton of work to work out the “sharp angles” between multiple solutions that aren’t related and might not be easily compatible with each other;
  • Open-source requires a level of expertise that more than half of the developers and IT professionals simply don’t have. This aspect reinforces the last point even more. Senior open-source experts are more expensive than simply buying proprietary solutions;
  • If we consider the price of a senior open-source expert + software costs (usually free) the cost of open-source is considerable lower than the cost of cheap developers + proprietary solutions, however consider we are talking about companies. Companies will always prefer to hire more less expensive and less proficient people because that means they’re easier to replace and you’ll pay less taxes;
  • Companies will prefer to hire services from other companies instead of employees thus making proprietary vendors more compelling. This happens because from an accounting / investors perspective employees are bad and subscriptions are cool (less taxes, no responsibilities etc);
  • The companies who build proprietary solutions work really hard to get vendors to sell their software, they provide commissions, support and the promises that if anything goes wrong they’ll be there. This increases the number of proprietary-only vendors which reinforces everything above. If you’re starting to sell software or networking services there’s little incentive for you to go pure “open-source”. With less companies, less visibility, less professionals (and more expensive), less margins and less positive market image, less customers and lesser profits.

Unfortunately things are really poised and rigged against open-source solutions and anyone who tries to push for them. The “experts” who work in consulting companies are part of this as they usually don’t even know how to do things without the property solutions. Let me give you an example, once I had to work with E&Y, one of those big consulting companies, and I realized some awkward things while having conversations with both low level employees and partners / middle management, they weren’t aware that there are alternatives most of the time. A manager of a digital transformation and cloud solutions team that started his career E&Y, wasn’t aware that there was open-source alternatives to Google Workplace and Microsoft 365 for e-mail. I probed a TON around that and the guy, a software engineer with an university degree, didn’t even know that was Postfix was and the history of email.

Tja,

You lost me at developers. Hard disagree.

For what it’s worth, my company issues macs by default, but allows Linux or Windows if you request it. We just use Google Suite. Zero problems collaborating, and I work in a customer facing role.

library_napper, (edited )
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

Lots of justification in this. Just be the change you want to see.

I only work with libre formats at work. If someone wants to collaborate, they can easily install libre office or gimp or freecad or gnu cash or whatever. Most libre software is free and cross-platform.

TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

I only work with libre formats at work. If someone wants to collaborate, they can easily install libre office or gimp or freecad or gnu cash or whatever. Most libre software is free and cross-platform.

Okay so tell me, you’re working on a budget with a potential customer that uses MS Office. You want to win that customer and do a big project for him, would you “bitch” about him about using MS Office and ask him to install LibreOffice whenever the spreadsheet formulas don’t work properly?

What if said potential customer is a big company with strict IT policies? What if the person can’t even install software or is older and unable do it but very proficient with Excel?

Are you willing to lose a potential big customer, a project that will pay your bills for months just because a boomer can’t or won’t be able to install LibreOffice?

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

I tell customers to use Libre Office. I tell them its free, cross platform, give them a link to download it, and ask if they have any further questions.

If they said IT issues, I’d ask to talk with their IT department. Its not difficult to get IT to install trusted, open-source software.

TCB13, (edited )
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

You’re delusional or only deal with very low stakes because frankly if your costumer is a 1000+ employee company on industries like banking and whatnot you’ll just lose the customer right there.

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

Sometimes you have to do what is right instead of what brings you the most money

EasternLettuce,

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  • library_napper, (edited )
    @library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

    I have worked for companies with thousands of employees, yes. It helps to be right about the cost, security, and usability benefits of using FOSS and be able to stand your ground and argue valid points.

    But I do prefer companies with less than 100 people.

    CallumWells,

    I salute you. Not many that are willing to do so. Maybe because most people don’t have very deep convictions on using FLOSS. It is easier to just do what everyone else does, after all.

    bouh,

    I think the opposite. Working on windows is a pain in the ass. Like the system is not made for working and barely support it for actual computer work.

    If you only use office or play video games, it’s good, certainly, and it’s good for the security team to have everyone with it because the system is built to only allow specific actions to be done. It’s completely inapt for actual engineering and technical work.

    FrostyPolicy,

    Like the system is not made for working and barely support it for actual computer work.

    Have noticed the same.

    One example why windows is bad for a developer. Lets say you work with node.js Eventually you’ll end up with node_modules directory in you project with tens of thousands of files and thousands of directories. If you delete that directory in windows it takes minutes. In Linux it’s instantaneous.

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s completely inapt for actual engineering and technical work.

    Depends on the engineering field, I have out a few specific examples of highly payed engineering fields that can’t get away from Windows.

    FrostyPolicy,

    Depends on the engineering field, I have out a few specific examples of highly payed engineering fields that can’t get away from Windows.

    Do share what they are.

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Already did on the comment.

    bouh,

    Ok, my mistake here. I was talking about computer engineering and technique. Other fields use a software. Windows is barely relevant to the question.

    ulu_mulu,

    You can’t do whatever you want if you’re an employee in a big enterprise, there are company-wide rules and standards that you have to respect, you can’t expect your colleagues to adapt to you nor you can decide which OS to install on your company PC.

    That’s not to say you can’t use Linux at all, you can ask your IT to be allowed to install Virtualbox and use Linux in a VM, that’s what I do, there are a lot of things that don’t strictly require Windows and I use Linux for those.

    library_napper,
    @library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

    I make it very clear at the interview stage that I use Linux. Its never been an issue.

    If someone tried to force me to use proprietary software, I’d say no. If they wanted to fire me over that, it would be ridiculous. It’s free and easy to support FOSS. Its costly & difficult to support proprietary software, so its not a hard sell.

    You have more power than you think.

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    your colleagues to adapt to you nor you can decide which OS

    Sometimes its not even about colleagues, check my reply before lemmy.world/comment/6509728

    ulu_mulu, (edited )

    Yeah and sometimes it’s not even just about customers, some people don’t realize big enterprises (as in dozens of thousands of employees) are very different from smaller companies, they’re like a “different world” on their own, not everything you can do on a smaller scale is feasible. They would probably need to work in one to really understand.

    umbrella, (edited )
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    i mostly agree except its leagues ahead for sysadmins and devs, it isnt even a contest. to counter your specific example, filezilla works great. i havent used a tool for this specific niche on linux that wasnt much better.

    affinity photo is great on linux too if you are not too stuck with adobe. cant say much about other usecases you mentioned.

    also wine runs old software better than windows in some cases. i have better luck with it on linux. funnily enough old linux software is a pain on linux in the rare situations where i need it.

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    funnily enough old linux software is a pain on linux in the rare situations where i need it.

    Oh yes ahaha

    bouh,

    I’ve been a sysadmin for years and I worked longer on Linux than I did on Windows.

    Many of your points are management bullshit. The proof? In France the gendarmerie (country police) moved to Linux about a decade ago.

    The thing with windows is usually that management want a whole solution out of the box, from a renowned editor, so basically Microsoft. The key point is that they want a contract with a company so they can discard the responsability of failures on someone out of their own company. The second feature is that they are boomers or anti-nerds, so they are never going to be seen using something on a computer that’s not mainstream.

    The last problem is from Microsoft that worked hard these last years to remove any compatibility between office and other softwares of this kind. They also enshitified office365 very hard so that is doesn’t work well on Linux.

    The question of the price is a fraud. Large companies need an it service for Windows on top of the licences and infrastructure. It’s way cheaper with Linux. The biggest work with an enterprise Linux is to make it compatible with the shitty Windows environment, and the compliance with the useless security thought for windows.

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Many of your points are management bullshit.

    Yes, they are and I never said they weren’t management BS. Nevertheless management pays the bills, management makes the decision.

    The key point is that they want a contract with a company so they can discard the responsability of failures on someone out of their own company.

    You’re just saying what I said before…

    The last problem is from Microsoft that worked hard these last years to remove any compatibility between office and other softwares of this kind

    Yes, but the end result is that nobody sane would even risk not using MS Office and that’s what it is.

    Large companies need an it service for Windows on top of the licences and infrastructure. It’s way cheaper with Linux.

    It depends, integration between MS products and services usually comes out of the box or working with minimal setup while with open-source solutions / Linux that isn’t always the case. Also Windows sysadmins are usually cheaper because you can get more and they require less training to be “efficient” than Linux ones.

    The biggest work with an enterprise Linux is to make it compatible with the shitty Windows environment, and the compliance with the useless security thought for windows.

    Yes but you still have do it and it has a cost. Simply going full Windows is cheaper at that point.

    bouh,

    That’s where we disagree : anybody sane would use Linux rather than windows. Windows usage is based on ignorance.

    You have zero idea about Windows system integration if you think it comes out of the box. Or you live in America. In Europe, data safety is a concern, and it raises many, many problems with Windows “out of the box”.

    Pappabosley,

    There are still use cases for windows. We have a predominately Linux environment (server and desktop), and a development team that build 80% of our operational software. That team are not fans of windows, but come across quite a few use cases where they have to use it because a 3rd party program won’t run on Linux; or an external connection requires a windows service; or there is no comparable product available on Linux (MS Excel is the one thing keeping me on windows). Even ignorance plays a part, because end users can still have had limited access to technology over their lives and in Australia that usually means windows computers in schools. I deal with staff in their 20’s and 30’s who know nothing of how technology works outside of “push that button and the thing happens”, if that button is a different colour, or shape, or location, shift is over, go home - they don’t care why it’s changed and definitely don’t want to learn a new way to do it. We’re somewhere between American data cowboys and the GDPR when it comes to data safety in Australia, which MS can be BS at and the integration burns more of our teams time than it should, but it’s still a necessary evil - even if it’s just when dealing with customers and vendors

    bouh,

    If excel is keeping you on Linux, you’re doing it wrong. The problem here is undoubtedly ignorance and nothing else.

    If it’s another program, wine made immense progresses these last years. You want to check about it.

    Now, if you’re saying Linux is not ready out of the box, that’s true, but neither is Windows. Not if you have any important need. Windows is good for a customer, not for a company.

    BTW Linux changed in the last ten years. It’s not the neckbeard system it used to be.

    Pappabosley,

    Now that I have a work laptop, I’ve installed Linux on my home computer and it was simple and runs fantastically - actual results may vary as I work in IT and have grown up with a high tech involved family. However, the hill I’m happy to die on, is the fact that using Excel above a basic level in business, where information needs to be shared with non-technical staff cannot be replicated in Linux, and that Excel is still the best product to do this.

    bouh,

    This is wrong about excel. Most thing excel do can be done with libreoffice. People are lazy to learn and convert their documents, and Microsoft does everything possible to make this harder.

    Pappabosley,

    Now you’re showing your ignorance - your statement is empirically false.

    bouh,

    Maybe you don’t know what empirically means? Your ignorance is not a proof for anything. I know what I can do with libreoffice, and I am very mediocre with it. I’ve never seen an excel document that couldn’t be done with libreoffice.

    And I wrote most things that can be done with excel. Now, if you want something that can be debated, I posit that anything that can’t be done in libreoffice calc but can be in excel is not worth doing in excel.

    Trainguyrom,

    People saying libre office is a full replacement for Excel haven’t seen what excel power users in offices can do. It’s usually people who in another life would be programmers but for whatever reason they can’t/won’t make the leap out of excel and into full fat programming. Expecting these same people to convert to a free clone of excel that uses slightly different syntax and has less polish is a great way to lose a very valuable employee extremely quickly.

    I absolutely love the environment that Linux affords one, and I would financially support the developers of the tools I rely on (which of course includes libre office) if I were in the financial position to do so, but I’m not delusional when it comes to the role Excel plays in the 21st century office. The business world is run from poorly backed up, undocumented Excel spreadsheets on anemic desktops, and that ain’t changing anytime soon

    laverabe,

    I just looked up the definition of excel power user, and it’s mostly stuff I deal with on a daily basis, so I guess I’m a power user.

    That being said I am switching to libreoffice currently because I’m tired of proprietary bullshit. I also like the idea of being able to change libre for my needs if I want. I haven’t seen any degradation other than a rough around the edges UI. What is libre lacking that MS has?

    Trainguyrom,

    The uphill battle isn’t technical it’s social. The UI is a little less polished, the syntax is slightly different, and Excel has close to 30 years of market recognition. For 99% of excel users LibreOffice Math will absolutely cover their needs 100% with as much time spent figuring it out as they would spend figuring excel out. That last 1% of users however will complain that the syntax changed, they’ll complain that they have to entirely redo the formulas in every one of their old spreadsheets, they’ll feel undervalued and you better believe they’re some of the most valuable people in the company because they learned long ago about working smarter and not harder, plus they know how to automate their work and are therefore much more efficient workers.

    LeFantome,

    Well thought out post and largely true.

    As a small counterpoint, I am supposed to use Windows at work but I use Linux. I would say that I am a “very heavy” but intermediate Microsoft Office user. That is, while I am not expert level in Office, I have to create and consume multiple documents per day. I give ( or submit ) several PowerPoints per week. These typically use templates supplied by Marketing or others. I create and consume multiple Excel files daily which almost always have multiple worksheets. I must admit that I have gotten authoring Word files down to maybe one per week but I open 3 a day at least.

    Of course, I do not actually use Microsoft Office most of the time. Most of the above is in LibreOffice. I spend a tonne of my day in Outlook which I use in a browser ( Office 365 ). If I am opening a document from an email, it will often open in Office 365 online ( in my browser in Linux ). So do I use Microsoft Office quite a bit but rarely author anything there. While I prefer Firefox, I use Microsoft Edge on Linux and most often that is where I have Outlook open. Sadly, I have at least 3 to 4 Microsoft Teams meetings a day. Teams and GoToMeeting are why I started using Edge. It is just a nicer workflow if Teams and Outlook are in the same browser.

    Anyway, I have very little problem exchanging documents. I had to switch to default fonts that Windows users will have of course but that was long ago now. So, I would not say that “alternatives such as LibreOffice aren’t just good enough” is a fair assessment for everybody. If I was an expert user in any one app ( in Finance maybe ) I could see this being true but I bet most office workers could use LibreOffice just fine these days.

    Outside of Office, most of what I use are web applications which work just as well on Linux. I use containers a lot and they work better on Linux. Linux is quite bit snappier on the same hardware.

    I am just a datapoint though and the issues you raise are real. I would perhaps just be less absolute about it. Trying Linux can still make sense. Also, you can try LibreOffice on Windows before jumping all the way to Linux.

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    I have very little problem exchanging documents

    Yes but you still have some little annoyances here and there. Is it worth having to fight your software to get your job done? Isn’t just easier and more productive to use MS Office (ROI described above and whatnot).

    Teams and GoToMeeting are why I started using Edge. It is just a nicer workflow if Teams and Outlook are in the same browser.

    See this is what most people feel about Office, its just nicer to use the Microsoft thing and not ever having to worry about anything.

    While I agree that for some people LibreOffice might work, there’s the following simple test:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cbc2faa8-0542-4535-92ce-a84a94381ad9.jpeg

    FrostyPolicy,

    Id’ say your comparison pictured is not valid. It’s not the same document in both programs. On the left you have opened Lorem Ipsum.docs and on the right you have a new untitled document.

    If one truly wants to share final documents use pdf not a draft format like docx.

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Id’ say your comparison pictured is not valid. It’s not the same document in both programs

    Yes its the same document. The only thing I did is “open a copy” because the document was locked in the other editor.

    If one truly wants to share final documents use pdf not a draft format like docx.

    People share unfinished documents with each other and formatting should hold, otherwise how can you collaborate?

    Pantherina, (edited ) in I'm Done With Windows, Are you?

    Opposite.

    Fedora with KDE is a Pain, and GNOME is simply underpowered a lot.

    Installing GrapheneOS or programming a microcontroller just didnt work. I have no idea of udev rules and these things should work better. (Tbh I will try to fix the packages)

    Also processes crashing just often freeze my entire everything. No seperation, no ctrl+alt+del task manager which nearly always works. The task manager is a normal app, and it just doesnt start if the desktop is down.

    Virt-manager has not enough RAM? Yeah, Plasma crashes and I need a hard reboot. Yay.

    Meanwhile Windows sucks, but it works. Also it is better for

    • collaborative normie documents
    • office: easy presentations (again, collaboration), excel: easy graphs with a UI that makes sense
    • arcgis: qgis is better on surface, but all the underground transformation tools are so messed up.

    Many things in Uni make me get insane on Linux. Being the only one literally learning another program, while learning a bit of that proprietary license garbage too, is burnout and I will probably fail in the “recognize this button in arcGis and explain how to do x” exam.

    Titou,
    @Titou@feddit.de avatar

    used to do collaborative works on Linux, never had any issues

    BigTrout75, in I'm Done With Windows, Are you?

    Nope. I have to know how fix everyone else’s computer.

    django,
    @django@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I just tell everyone, that i can only help with Linux.

    ISOmorph,

    You’re a nicer person than I am. Being able to (lie and) say “no clue how that works on windows, I use linux” is a freaking blessing

    GluWu, in I'm Done With Windows, Are you?

    As soon as gaming is mostly flawless and similar or better performance than windows, I’ll be 100% over. Gaming has come so far, all the way into the 2010s the only games on Linux were like Portal, HL, minecraft, and KSP. But it’s still got a little ways to go.

    ProgrammingSocks,

    It’s always worth remembering that Linux is not a product, it is free software. So if you are switching you can’t go into it with the mindset of “somebody better fix this or I’m leaving” because there is nobody that will feel that pressure or care. You have to use Linux because it’s something you want to do.

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,

    If you are on amd, that already is the case. On nvidia however things are a lil different, not bad though.

    baldturkeyleg, (edited )

    If that’s the only barrier, you should try again. It’s further along than you think. Thanks in large part to the Steam Deck, compatibility is miles better. I have run into 2 games since I switched 1.5 years ago that won’t run - both are EA titles (shocked Pikachu face). That was my reason not to switch too.

    GluWu,

    I’m well aware of how far out has come, I was a second batch pre-order for the steamdeck. And yes, just in the time it’s been out, Linux gaming has come sooo far. For me, all of my games don’t run seamlessly and as well, some do still just shit themselves, so I still keep a win10 boot drive for gaming. Once major support for win10 ends I think Linux gaming will be even better and my gaming will finally be all Linux.

    Jako301,

    You don’t play many competitive multiplayer titles then. Anticheat us always a pain.

    Battleye and Easy Anti Cheat are Linux native, but just cause that’s the case doesn’t mean they will work. Half of the games using them either never had an official linux version or are currently broken again.

    A few games using Xigncode and nProtect work too, but there the number is even lower.

    Punkbuster worked on wine for 5 years but often needs to be installed manually.

    As for the more aggressive ones like Riccochet and Vanguard, you can’t even run them in a VM environment.

    twinnie, in I'm Done With Windows, Are you?

    I like the idea of ditching Windows because of all the telemetry but I just need a machine that’s going to do what I need it to do without a fucking battle. Everything on Linux is just so difficult, it’s like every time I give it a go I wind up spending hours trying to figure out how to do something that would take ten seconds on Windows. I wanted to make a desktop shortcut that would run a script with root privileges. On Windows that’s right click, drag, and select the option to make a shortcut. Takes a few seconds. Took me ages to figure it out in Ubuntu, mostly because it wasn’t working as it should. Yesterday I did an apt upgrade on another machine and it wiped out the WiFi. I’m still working on fixing that and now I’m looking into compiling my own drivers.

    Guenther_Amanita,

    I felt the same when I started using Linux.
    My whole computing experience was on Windows, and when I switched, I expected Linux to be working the same and being a 1:1 replacement.

    Just don’t expect it to be the same.
    Even if it sometimes looks like it (e.g. Mint oder KDE-based distros) it absolutely isn’t similar.

    People don’t have the same expectations on MacOS, so why should we on Linux?

    And if you really don’t like it at all, then stay on Windows. No shame at all. Use the right tool for the right task.

    TrickDacy,
    @TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

    a fucking battle

    Interesting, I feel like this describes what windows itself does to a pc

    It’s definitely not normal to lose wifi working drivers with an update. I would say it’s very rare in fact. As far as what you’re saying takes ten seconds on windows, no it doesn’t. You would still need to run as administrator and (I think) type your password, which probably takes longer than opening a terminal and typing sudo

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,

    On linux you also have to just click drag and choose “make a link”.

    TheGrandNagus,

    Funny, for me it’s windows that I’m constantly battling.

    Be it having to constantly restart and do updates that take forever.

    Searching online and downloading then clicking through installers for software I want, rather than just going into an app store.

    Having to manually remove ads from my start menu

    Remove as much telemetry as I can (that of course accidentally gets reset by some updates)

    I have dark mode set, yet so many programs (even first party MS stuff that’s part of the OS!) doesn’t respect it, so I get randomly blinded at night

    Each individual app running their own updater services in the background

    Having to remember to run disk cleanup every once in a while because temporary files and old update files hang around for ages, eventually slowing my system down and taking dozens of GB of space

    There are some good things - Win11’s window tiling is genuinely excellent, for example. But man, overall, Windows is just difficult and tedious to use. The only reason people use it is because it’s the default. Not because it’s good or it’s easy.

    lnxtx, in I'm Done With Windows, Are you?
    @lnxtx@feddit.nl avatar

    I’m Windows-free for about 18 years.

    Windows is a last resort. If some proprietary apps don’t work under Linux (mainly at a work).

    It’s funny how conservative Windows is, it still has components from the NT.

    Laser,

    I’m Windows-free for about 18 years.

    It’s basically the same time I started using Linux somewhat more. I didn’t go Windows-free until 2007 though and then returned to Windows because I needed it for something with my Master’s thesis. I kind of shudder at the thought how my old setups looked under the hood. You learn a lot in 18 years… Probably copy-pasted a lot of shell commands back then. But UT2k4 in its OpenGL glory was worth it

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s funny how conservative Windows is, it still has components from the NT.

    That calling: ensuring things are compatible with old software and not fucking your users over. Just for fun I tried to install Photoshop 6 from 2000 on Windows 11 and it works just fine. Same goes for MS Office 2003.

    ISOmorph, in Looking for a good tablet PC distro

    Take a look at my post from several months ago: feddit.de/post/1892175

    In the end I went with fydeOS since the touch experience with both Gnome and KDE was too lacking out of the box.

    Pantherina,

    What version of Android is FydeOS using, how frequent do they do Updates? Does it use Secureboot, etc?

    a0193143, in Looking for a good tablet PC distro

    In my experience, both GNOME and KDE’s pure touchscreen experience are not good as Android or ChromeOS for now, and not even close to Windows 10.

    GNOME has its onscreen keyboard, although not bad actually.

    I haven’t been using GNOME for two years, so maybe there’s some improvement?

    My suggestion is give ChromeOS a shot (Brunch Framework), if you don’t mind Google things.

    DetachablePianist,

    hmm, anything Google is usually not my first choice, but thanks for the suggestion! If I’m not happy with other options I might give chrome a shot anyway. Thanks!

    Pantherina, (edited )

    Maybe ChromiumOS Flex? But its probably not available as install medium (with drivers, DRM, hardware acceleration, …) anywhere.

    Also its just for

    • Chrome(-ium) and Webapps, a lot of Google
    • Android Apps (not all)
    • Linux in a Container in a VM. Nice to setup but overkill and then no RAM advantage

    Basically GrapheneOS vs. AOSP. AOSP is also very hard to use.

    Eeyore_Syndrome, in Linux working in one monitor but not in the other
    @Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works avatar

    What’s your exact hardware?

    Did you install with secure boot disabled?

    Probably Nouveau issue. ⚠️

    For installing Nvidia drivers on Fedora:

    Or give Universal Blue a try, take the pain away:

    Atomic desktops are cool.

    Also available as Bazzite for 🎮:

    Or Project Bluefin for 🖥️ dev:

    gary_host_laptop,
    @gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml avatar

    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8H61-M LX3 R2.0 Intel i3-3220 (4) @ 3.300GHz NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 Rev. 2

    That’s my hardware

    I honestly rather not install nouveau since iknow it can cause issues and i wouldnt mind installing nvidias proprietary drivers if it makes it work since its not even for me

    do you know if i should install the 470xx or the one just called nvidia drivers in the app store?

    ill give it a try to the rest tho, thanks!

    Omega_Jimes,

    Are you using the legacy Nvidia drivers? They dropped support for the 600 series gpu, so you’ll need to make sure you’re using a driver version "470.something?

    Guenther_Amanita,

    +1 for uBlue. Everything comes installed ootb and just works without getting in your way

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