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lledrtx, in Two moods

I’m so confused by why people have trouble with Nvidia on Linux. I have been using Debian and Ubuntu for as long as I can remember with Nvidia and it’s never been a problem. Now I use Pop and it’s perfectly fine too. No problem running dual 4K 60Hz monitors… Is the support bad on non-Debian distros?

BRBWaffles,
@BRBWaffles@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on the distro. I spent a lot of time in the TTY with NixOS before I was able to get my 4070 Ti working. On Pop it worked out of the box, but that’s not a worthwhile trade-off to me these days. Nix or bust.

Psythik,

What about 4K 120Hz with HDR? How well does that work on Linux with nVidia?

isVeryLoud,

Use KDE on the very latest kernel on Wayland, in theory it should work well but YMMV.

Psythik,

Good to know, thanks. I want to switch so badly but last time I checked, HDR support on *nix is still in its early stages. I’ll check it out.

isVeryLoud,

KDE very recently implemented some HDR support thanks to Valve, GNOME is still waiting on some PR getting merged.

candle_lighter,
@candle_lighter@lemmy.ml avatar

4k 120Hz will work without any special setup but HDR is a whole nother thing

Ziglin,

On EndeavourOS I had some trouble for a bit but I think I got some drivers from flatpak and they worked with no problem.

Suavevillain, in Two moods
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

The only time I have trouble with Linux gaming is either a multiplayer game I want to play isn’t supported or some Visual Novel having random issues every once in a while. But this meme is still true lol.

Mango, in Two moods

This anime girl is so cute.

Cyreld,
Mango,

I are interested.

Also heck yeah! I already had this on my list as it is!

WldFyre,

Are you 12??

tubaruco,

no hes just weird

sleep_walker, in Two moods

Steam with Proton made this way more easier than in the past. OTOH, yeah, sometimes I feel like this when tuning CS2 on Wayland.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

biggest ongoing issue i’ve had is getting Vortex working for Bethesda games.

but I just found a linux installer for Mo2, and while I dont like having to launch Mo2 to launch my modded game… its fucking ecstasy island compared to the horrific jank of dealing with Vortex.

Cethin,

Vortex worked fine with my (pirated) copy of Starfield near launch. I think I launched it externally, not through Vortex though. I know CKAN for KSP2 works fine but fails to launch the game, at least for me. It also requires forcing an override on a DLL to get most mods to function, but it’s not much of a hassle.

Itd4n, in Two moods

If I were to pick someone likely to overcome this adversity, it would be Miko.

rickdg, in Two moods
@rickdg@lemmy.world avatar

sudo apt-get friends to play games with

JonEFive,

Error: package not found

Really_long_toes,

tries AUR

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

<span style="color:#323232;">Reading package lists... Done
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Building dependency tree... Done
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Reading state information... Done
</span><span style="color:#323232;">E: Unable to locate package friends
</span><span style="color:#323232;">E: Unable to locate package to
</span><span style="color:#323232;">E: Unable to locate package play
</span><span style="color:#323232;">E: Unable to locate package games
</span><span style="color:#323232;">E: Unable to locate package with
</span>
ULS,

Off topic… But isn’t apt-get outdated? I thought it was just “apt install”

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

apt is outdated, use nala

ULS,

Sudo lionking update && sudo lionking upgrade.

Rootiest, (edited )
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

No seriously though, I aliased the apt command to nala and I use it instead.

It works nicely with grc for colors in the console and more importantly it supports simultaneous downloads so it runs through a large queue of updates much more quickly.

This article has a bit more detail on the topic

Routhinator, (edited )
@Routhinator@startrek.website avatar

If you’re a user interacting with a terminal => apt

If you’re writing a script or putting it in a docker file/automation => apt-get

Apt is just a wrapper around apt-get a newer binary than apt-get (I stand corrected after checking my memory against google) and there are warnings that the apt shorthand is not as reliable in scripted scenarios. Its meant for user convenience.

Apt-get is most certainly not outdated.

MashedTech,

Interesting… What other cool facts do you have?

Naz,

I tried Arch once and they use Pacman for everything.

It’s like Pacman -sY to install. Makes no sense.

At least the AUR is cool.

One day, Linux will have a nice, unified, polished application portal (not store because god forbid we see a LINUX APP STORE).

For everything else there’s git.

Git clone Make Pacman -sY lethal company Sudo chmod +x ./home/user/games/lethal_company.x86_64

“Hold on guys I swear it works, Linux is just better, hold on”

AUR Proton_EasyAntiCheatHooks Man -k Nvidia-Propietary ./etc/Xserver.conf --display one --mode C1B3 --vsync off Sudo reboot -now

MonkeMischief,

Best thing I found for Arch-based is yay.

yay -Syu yay (application name) It just searches repos and AUR in one go. Manages everything like Pacman. I quite like it.

Yay!

AVincentInSpace,

coughs politely in flatpak

Zink,

The crazy thing is, you would probably want to name it something direct and memorable like LINUX APP STORE to market it to the masses. Have a tag line like “it’s all free!” or whatever.

In the Super Bowl (no affiliation to c/superbowl) commercial, we’ll hear some grandma questioning whether the things on her new laptop were free from restrictions or free from cost, and her jock grandson will look right into the camera and say “yes!”

embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

It’s like Pacman -sY to install. Makes no sense.

If you read the man page for pacman, it helps. S stands for synchronise, Q for query (local), F is for find (remote), R is for remove. The following sub options (yu after -S) are specific to each main option.

jackpot,
@jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

this is why we habve no friends

naughtyguy17,

Funny way to spell emerge.

Bishma, (edited )
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Friends converted over to using snap, so now they all bring their (loopback) devices.

kittenzrulz123, in Two moods

Let’s hope that game is open source, otherwise Richard Stallman would be very disappointed.

Worx, in It's the beer, I knew it!

I wonder if these idiots know you can buy a second-hand laptop for less than half of that $40,000 and install Linux on it yourself

sloppy_diffuser,

In 1974?

MadMadBunny,

With this technology?

ElBarto, (edited )
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

At this time of year?

Huschke,

When it’s this cold outsight?

spookedbyroaches,

Yes

YarHarSuperstar,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

Hell if you give me $10000, just a quarter of the initial amount, I could get you a brand new laptop and still have a few bucks to give you back as change.

notthebees, in Linux laptop recommendation thread🐧💻

Since you do want to game, I’d recommend going with a computer with an amd DGPU. Nvidia is mostly fine from a driver standpoint. Also Nvidia does have cuda so you might actually want to get one with an Nvidia dgpu.

Get something with an Intel wireless card, that’d be the best case scenario. I’ve had weird issues with both realtek and Broadcom. Lots of amd laptops come with mediatek based wireless cards, idk if they work well in Linux.

Tbh I’d rec any laptop that fit your requirements and install your distro of choice. (bunsenlabs for me).

mynamesnotrick, in Two moods

Me playing wow on lutris and it crashing the one time a week as we start a raid boss.

Kanda,

Never had an issue playing classic for a year

olutukko,

I had for a while. Turns out it was just my overclocking thst was stable on windows but became unstable on linux when gaming

Rooskie91, in It's the beer, I knew it!

From the original '74 Unix paper

Bondrewd, in It's the beer, I knew it!

Swedish*

FiskFisk33, (edited )

He was born in Helsinki. He is “Finlandssvensk” which doesn’t have a good translation in English, which is not the same thing as Swedish.

hemko,

I guess it’s Swedish-Finnish in English, if you apply the same logic as with African-American and other similar terma

ExLisper,

Oh my, now they are trying to Marie Curie Linus Torvalds.

Bondrewd,

??

ExLisper, (edited )

Marie Curie was Polish but the French pretty much convinced the whole world she was French.

Bondrewd,

Good thing Linus is Swedish. If you knew history and read the wiki, you would know about swedish rule of Finland and that a numerable swedish minority stayed in Finland over the centuries.

Since his father is in the “Swedish Peoples Party”, I will assume Finns casually use Swedish as a denomination for people who live in Finland but speak Swedish. I think he also talked about speaking Swedish at his home with his family.

Wow, lemmy goes to new lows every day. I cant understand why I have to feed this to you…

ExLisper,

You’re understanding of the concept of nationality seems very basic. There are many different minorities in different countries and sometimes they will identify solely as citizens of this minorities (like Russians in Latvia for example), sometimes they will identify as citizens of the country in which they were born and raised (like some minorities in USA) and sometimes both (like other minorities in USA). The fact that Linus speaks Swedish doesn’t mean anything and he doesn’t even hold Swedish citizenship AFAIK. He holds Finnish and American citizenships so unless you can show me his statements claiming he’s Swedish your arguments here are pointless.

TheyCallMeHacked,

Well then he’s neither: he’s American. He lives in Dunthorpe, Oregon and has been naturalised American. That’s all beyond the point: what people mean isn’t his official citizenship, but his ethnicity, his cultural background. And in that regard, he’s Swedish.

ExLisper, (edited )

It’s not for you to decide based on arbitrarily chosen data points. If Linus says he’s Finnish (another commenter said he does) then that’s it. Also, think how strange it is to insist that someone has one ethnicity or another. Categorizing people like that based on their genes or language is sooo previous century. Time to move on my friend, time to move on.

CbtB,

I’ve met him. He says he’s Finnish. He was born in Finland and attended school in Finland. He graduated from the University of Helsinki. He has since moved to the United States of America. So he’s a little bit American now.

ExLisper,

Yep, typical Marie Curie intent. I guess Swedes don’t have enough famous people.

hemko,

Well they have their famous king, Kalle Kaviar or something

FiskFisk33, (edited )

the knig <3

CbtB,

He says he’s a Finn. He was born in Finland. He lived in Finland until he emigrated to the USA.

Then you say he’s actually Swedish because he knows the language, his dad was from Sweden, and “Marie Curie”. Bizarre.

ExLisper,

What? You’re confused. I’m saying he’s a Finn. The other guy says he’s Swedish.

Onlytanner,

He speaks Swedish but otherwise is definitely a Finn.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds

KpntAutismus,

oh my god he’s born in the funny year

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

June 9th 1420?

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s why he’s so good with his middle finger.

Bondrewd,

Apologies, Im sure his father entered the Swedish People’s party by accident.

nyctre,

Yes, that makes them swedish-speaking finns. Still finns tho

rbits, in Two moods

Everyone in the comments: “Actually I don’t have the same problems so this is wrong”

asexualchangeling,

“I don’t have the same problems anymore so this is outdated”

Ftfy

rbits, (edited )

Still applies though. “Oh but it used to be worse”

asexualchangeling,

Obviously I can’t speak for everyone, but personally speaking I’ve had no issues playing the multiplayer games I play, which (in my particular situation) puts me above at least one of the windows users in my group

Installing things not through steam can take longer sometimes, but I always made sure to do that ahead of time anyway

rbits,

Yeah, I mean, the best thing to do is to get it working ahead of time.

asexualchangeling,

The same is true no matter the OS, It’s always good to be prepared ahead of time

Crack0n7uesday, in It's the beer, I knew it!

UNIX in Bell Labs back in the 70’s might need $40,000 worth of hardware, today you can get an old Raspberry Pie for like $50.

Ilgaz,

That $40K is way more than it seems and it is still cheap. To give an idea about the cutting edge hardware prices back in the day, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2250?wprov=sfla1

The price you are reading is correct, $2M today. That is what happens when you want 1024×1024 display and pointing device like that NSA spy girl.

I think one should compare it to an entry level AIX/Power system or HP/UX. Apple does still have certified UNIX OS too.

riodoro1, (edited )

That would be an expensive pie. I also don’t know how it’s going to help me with running unix.

The joke: The single board computer is called a Raspberry Pi

Scrollone,

$50??? The Zero model costs like 15 dollars

Crack0n7uesday, (edited )

I haven’t fucked with a Raspberry pie in a long time, lol, I was just making a point. I don’t think they come with any storage so you still have to get like a $20 USB drive.

Evkob,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

To be fair, Bell Labs’ 40,000$ computer probably didn’t come with any storage either.

Crack0n7uesday,

Those were the punch card days, storage was a lot different back then. Everything was running in the RAM, and rebooting took like a day to get everything running again.

ExLisper, in It's the beer, I knew it!

I don’t get it. The article says that hardware is 1974 was expensive but UNIX was cheap to develop. Linus developing Linux just confirms what they are saying. Is the joke that computers used to be expensive and now they are cheap?

kindernacht,

The joke is that a couple of drunk guys enduring an eternal winter came up with something better than silicon valley could.

Ilgaz,

It is still the same deal. Do you think high level suits can really understand the idea of GNU and Linux completely?

Some guy from a remote village in India can climb up to a hill for better reception and upload a couple of a hundred lines to the right place in right format and it could be accepted in Linux kernel which may eventually run in a IBM System Z monster with 40TB of RAM. That code may add 2x performance to a very crucial part. I think those blue suits simply ignore this fact to keep their corporate mind sanity. Seen old S360 photos? They really dress that way.

Btw, I didn’t stereotypically make up that Indian guy climbing story. I used his OS distribution rather than multi billion Chinese giant version since it was simply better. Hundreds of thousands did. The village he lived sometimes lost power too. Of course, he added more team members later.

ExLisper, (edited )

Not to argue about a joke but Linux was ‘better’ because it was free, not because it was technically better. By the time it got actually better than UNIX tons of people have worked on it, not just couple of drunk guys. I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’. But if people find it funny it’s cool, it’s not for me to judge anyone’s sense of humour.

Ilgaz,

I think you should really ask around about product usage scenarios especially in Redhat/SUSE scenes. Linux is either same price or more expensive than Windows.

I think you say Minix was better but let me remind that it’s creator himself says it was created for a very different purpose and still does it well. Its version 3 runs whole Intel World so it may have even “won”

I worked in TV industry and I knew some very high end studios. The amazingly expensive software they use needs a very reliable system without any kind of vendor lock in. They choose RHEL or SUSE on tested, certified hardware. OS price is just a small detail, like coffee machine supplies.

I have worked with very high end Microsoft Windows servers too. Did you know that their browser default homepage is MSN, not about:blank and it actually triggered Flash ActiveX install? I begun to see Windows like abuse of Dave Cutler’s kernel. No less.

Tippon,

I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’.

You’ve missed the second part of that sentence - ‘UNIX can run on hardware costing as little as $40,000’. The photo is the Finnish hacker making it work on a computer that cost a fraction of that, while drinking a beer. It’s a play on the hold my beer meme.

kindernacht,

Personally, it’s amusing at best. In the same way as the girl in Jurassic Park using “Unix” to hack the system.

That being said, I still give mad props for the development that occurred during that era.

Ilgaz,

UNIX was a small and inexpensive open source system and could create miracles for such a low price.

When Linus came into scene, UNIX was heavily fragmented, expensive, closed with some insane trickery to make sure nobody cross compiles anything on the “enemy UNIX” (rival). I don’t say go and read them but the size of auto tools should give a clue. It is one of the under rated inventions of GNU. Obviously BSD people have their own valid counter point too.

The only serious thing around was still Novell who begun to take UNIX serious right after Linux had a serious shape. I remember my company paid a Novell tech $2000 to restore the files from their SCSI. It wasn’t a rip off, that is what happens when you use a closed system. Who knows how much money Novell took for training. For the curious: They still didn’t buy a tape backup system.

We should just read first lines, check photo additionally remembering all those suits at IBM, Sun and MS and laugh. That is what meme is for. :-)

I also laugh whenever I see the quote of a open source developer with a cowboy hat in elevator of MS .

MS guy (with BillG tone): I am sorry but who are you? OSS guy: I am your worst nightmare!

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