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ruckblack, in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang

Had to nuke xdg-desktop-portal recently. AGAIN. Because they keep introducing a regression that causes all the GTK apps to run at a snails pace and totally ruins the desktop experience. I HATE xdg-desktop-portal. This has happened at least twice before. They can’t seem to get their shit together. I wish I could just be rid of it entirely.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

While it is causing me a ton of headaches, I’m thankful that it gives the user a choice of desktop utilities… I just wish I didn’t have to hunt env variables and config files that may or may not be completely ignored.

ichbinjasokreativ, in Useless messenger

Wrappers are available as snaps/flatpaks

alldreadme,
@alldreadme@lemmy.world avatar

None of which support voice/video calls. Also the native app on windows is fast af

NotSteve_, in Useless messenger

There are plenty of desktop wrappers available for the Web version. I don’t use WhatsApp often but from my experience it seems fairly similar to the Windows desktop app

spookedbyroaches,

Main problem is that it doesn’t have voice and video calls there.

NotSteve_,

Ah fair enough, I can see how that’d be an issue

jbk,

Afaik they created a Windows client that’s native sort of recently and I’m pretty sure it’s a better experience than the web version because that’s one slow as hell to initially load for me.

108, in Useless messenger
@108@kbin.social avatar

WhatsApp is owned by Meta right?

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Yes

108,
@108@kbin.social avatar

Not sure why anyone would use it. I certainly wouldn't.

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

Couple reasons:

WhatsApp was its own company, took advantage of an open market in EU where SMS (and “international” phone calls?) were extra rate charges on mobile phones. Once every one got accustomed to using whatsapp Meta took it over and now we’re stuck with it.

meliaesc, (edited )

To communicate with anyone outside of the US, where it is extremely popular and is the main interaction with many businesses as well.

Pfnic,

It’s almost impossible not to sadly, at least if you want to reach everybody in ypur contacts… It was the first popular messaging app here and inertia prevents people from moving to better alternatives now.

Octopus1348,

Here almost everybody uses Viber or Messenger (I know Messenger’s also Meta)

pewgar_seemsimandroid, (edited )

viber > anything owned by facebool

Lolors17,

Threema > anything owned by giant corporations

mayonaise_met,

The reason is the network effect. I want to use signal or rather even an EU based messaging service, but everybody, including businesses, are on WhatsApp in my country.

nitefox,

Yeah. Younger ppl are on telegram, but that’s worse than WhatsApp so not much to be done

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

they should be using signal

nitefox, (edited )

In an ideal world, maybe. Hopefully we will see more of that thanks to RCS, since major players like WhatsApp, Message (Facebook) and iMessage will have to open up and be interoperable with other messaging systems.

So far, though, I’m stuck with WhatsApp (and iMessage for just one person!) and Telegram, nobody uses Signal here

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

convince new contacts to use signal that probably should be a good starting point

nitefox,

dude…

possiblylinux127, in Useless messenger

Its proprietary so that’s not a shock

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

So is Discord and Viber

possiblylinux127,

Neither of which run well on Linux. Don’t use proprietary software when there are other options

Pyroglyph,
@Pyroglyph@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been running Discord just fine on Linux. It’s just a web wrapper, after all. What issues have you been having with it?

Ziglin,

Recently it’s stopped opening links in my browser and won’t let me upload files to discord.

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Screen share on Wayland is completely broken

Pyroglyph,
@Pyroglyph@lemmy.world avatar

From what I’ve read online that’s a problem with Wayland not Discord.

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Discord was not made for Wayland and has failed to provide an update

optissima,

Armcord has a plugin fix for that I believe!

Zangoose,
@Zangoose@lemmy.world avatar

Armcord doesn’t have global keybinds yet though (no push to talk/mute toggle unless you are tabbed into armcord) which is even worse imo

_user_,

Last time I tried Viber, it ran fine on Linux, what issues have you had with it?

Discord also works pretty well, minus the white flashing when scrolling through GIFs for me

possiblylinux127,

Viber and Discord aren’t free (libre) software and should be avoided. I’ve never ran them because of that reason. However, I’ve heard lots of complaints of proprietary mainstream applications not being great on Linux.

dmrzl,

“Neither of which run well on Linux.”

“I’ve never ran them because of that reason.”

Yikes.

Octopus1348,

I had a problem with Viber on Linux, it crashed when picking up or starting a call, but that was quickly fixed.

_user_,

Admittedly haven’t tried calling with it, that being said I still need to reinstall it on my main laptop (only recently switched to Linux on that, was using an old laptop with Linux before that), so I’ll try some stuff again

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

isn’t android somewhat linux

possiblylinux127,

Not really. It technically uses a heavy modified kernel but that’s about it

cupcakezealot, in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

lynx superiority

sederx, in Useless messenger

Stop using that shit

Nobsi, in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang
@Nobsi@feddit.de avatar

I dont understand this. I just let it open explorer.exe

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

At the expense of missing what could potentially be a deadpan ironic comment, I would like to divert your attention to the name of the community this meme was posted on

Nobsi,
@Nobsi@feddit.de avatar

I don’t understand. I read this on edge.exe.

Magrath, in Useless messenger

Whatsapp has always been behind the curve. Took them way too long to allow gifs.

h_a_r_u_k_i,
@h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev avatar

I actually prefer that—a simple messenger without gifs and stickers, just plain text.

I’m not promoting WhatsApp in this case though. It’s one thing it’s done right, besides end-to-end encryption.

RmDebArc_5, in Ubuntu + Arch
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

I know it’s not the actual AUR but it literally calls itself the AUR for Ubuntu

AVincentInSpace,

yeah and it can call itself whatever it damn well pleases, the fact remains that such repositories are only as good as the communities that contribute to them and I’d wager that whatever you’re talking about will never at any point in the future have as many packages on it as the AUR currently does

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

For those who didn’t get it: yay is the most popular AUR helper on arch

ColdWater, in Useless messenger
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

And I still using email

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

very unsecure mostly

sirico, in Everyone loves snaps
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

df -h hates this one simple trick

Bishma, (edited )
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I want to be high and mighty and dislike Snaps for all the technical reasons but the single most irritating thing is definitely all the loopback devices.

RubberElectrons,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Fucking same, I had to write an alias so that df filters the loopbacks.

CeeBee,

Mine is:

alias dfh=‘df -h |grep -v loop’

lukecooperatus,
@lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml avatar

Followed closely by ~/snap

Octopus1348,

WHY NOT .SNAP?? IT’S ONE FCKING DOT

plague_sapiens, in Everyone loves snaps
@plague_sapiens@lemmy.world avatar

Flatpak ftw!

SpaceNoodle,

🤦

ichmagrum, (edited )

Snap and Flatpak have things in common (and I get that some people have objections to both), but Snap is significantly worse.

SpaceNoodle,

Being better than Snap is a pretty low bar.

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

No, that’s not how you make one

pizzawithdirt, in Useless messenger

It’s a web app, you don’t really need a native application for it.

InFerNo,

I just use discord via the browser. Why would I allow it to harvest my data as an app?

Chewy7324,

Because the desktop app works without having your phone around, if I remember correctly. It’s a relatively recent feature.

InFerNo,

Why do you need your phone around for the web version?

Chewy7324,

The web version isn’t a standalone client like Signal, which registers as an additional device with e2e. WhatsApp web communicates with the WhatsApp app, so it doesn’t work if the phone isn’t connected to the internet (in early versions it had to be the same network, if I remember correctly).

I believe WA introduced a feature which allowed the desktop app to function standalone like Signal. Signal Desktop adds a second device with it’s own keys, so contacts send automatically messages to two devices. I’m not sure if it works the same for WA, and if they even have the feature. I don’t have a compatible desktop.

InFerNo,

I never mentioned whatsapp, I don’t use it

Chewy7324,

Oopsie. Seems like I missed discord in your comment. I thought you were talking about WhatsApp.

Flax_vert,

Push to talk… And I think that’s literally it 😂

Amends1782,

They have to do it on fucking purpose right? Only allow keybinds so you have to get the client so they can collect user data

Flax_vert,

No, it’s probably because websites running in Chrome might lack the ability to detect keystrokes in the background. If they did, that’s a very very concerning security risk.

If they wanted to force you, they’d just disable the web app lmao

Amends1782,

Fair enough

shea,

i bet you could find some little tool to replace that easily. sucks though

Flax_vert,

It makes sense. Websites in a browser shouldn’t be able to detect keystrokes outside of the tab

uis, (edited )
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

If you use JACK audio, then you can make it Unix-way. Or use hardware PTT.

EDIT: or just mute/unmute mic system-wide

lastweakness,

The Windows-only app is way better. You can make calls for example.

sentient_loom, in Everyone loves snaps
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

At least we have Mint and Kubuntu

Amends1782,

Fuuuuuuuuck kubuntu

sentient_loom,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

What’s wrong with kubuntu?

NateNate60,

Kubuntu removed Flatpaks in favour of Snaps

Bipta,

What? I'm pretty sure I have access to Flatpaks...

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Yup. It’s bullshit. They just don’t include Flatpak in the default OS from the installation media.

NateNate60,

kubuntu.org/news/flatpaks-and-kubuntu/

It is no longer installed by default, in other words, exactly the same as the other Ubuntu flavours

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

At least it’s an easy fix

Diplomjodler,

Mint for the win! I really hope they make LMDE the main branch in the longer term.

gunpachi,

Also check out Spiral Linux. It’s a pretty good distro.

NateNate60,

The redundancy is always good, but I really don’t see what benefits the switch would provide. The Linux Mint team removed all the stuff they didn’t like from Ubuntu anyway when packaging it as Linux Mint, and plus, Ubuntu’s software repositories are much more up-to-date than Debian’s owing to their regular release schedule. Unless they want to base LMDE on Debian Sid, anyway.

Jumuta,

do you mean Kde neon? pretty sure kubuntu has snaps

sentient_loom,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

damn, I thought kubuntu got rid of that

Flaky,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Pop!_OS is based on Ubuntu and also strips Snaps for Flatpaks AFAIK

ptz, (edited )
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

Yeah, it does, but if you try to install packages from apt, it still uses some Ubuntu repos and will try to sneak snaps and snapd in on you.

All Canonical had to do was NOT push snaps through apt and I’d probably be fine with them.

corsicanguppy,

and also strips Snaps for Flatpaks AFAIK

Neither of these are a feature.

Flaky,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Don’t buy a Steam Deck then.

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