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Moobythegoldensock, in On another partition, right?

Windows: You want to flash a drive with linux? ERROR! ERROR! Filesystem corrupted! I just saved you from like 1000 viruses!

ftbd, in Bye bye edge

Idk, the whole “Megacorp is forced to do reasonable thing, but will still only do so in regions where the law applies” should further encourage people to move away from all their crap.

tenchiken, in Bye bye edge

Overnight, millions will suddenly somehow become European.

I wonder if they will try IP based Geo enforcement? How long do you think before Rufus allows flipping the bit to force this globally on install?

Honza,

No. A lot of people simply don’t care about their browser enough to take any action, let alone to bypass geo-restrictions.

drcabbage,

The people who do care have already switched to Linux.

JackSkellington, in Bye bye edge

Shouldn’t the same be applied to MacOS? There are a myriad of stupid apps impossible to uninstall. Maybe even safari

Flaky,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

The odd thing is that some of them are uninstallable on iOS/iPadOS…

doublejay1999,
@doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

Like what ?

miss_brainfart,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Older MacOS versions had stuff like the chess game preinstalled for no reason, though I don’t know how current versions look like.

I also don’t know how easy it is to remove preinstalled apps nowadays. Back in the day, you could disable System Integrity Protection, remove whatever you want, and re-enable Protection afterwards.

kurosawaa,

That chess game even predates OS X, it was a tech demo that came with the NextStep OS and has barely changed since the mid nineties. At this point it would be said to see it go.

Dmian, (edited )
@Dmian@lemmy.world avatar

While you can’t uninstall Safari, it doesn’t constantly discourage you to use other browsers like Edge does. Nor does Mac OS prevents you from installing competing apps.

The bigger problem is iOS, but the EU already took care of that and we’ll be able to sideload apps on iOS pretty soon.

squaresinger,

Does Mac prohibit other browser engines like they do on iOS?

Doesn’t do a lot of good, that they let you use other browsers if they are just reskins for Safari.

vodka,

They do not.

Horsey,

MacOS is actually far more open to low level system UI tweaks and app support than windows.

TrickDacy, (edited )
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

I remember Mac os ignoring my default browser choice many times and instead launching a web page in safari.

Dmian, (edited )
@Dmian@lemmy.world avatar

App association is done at the OS level, and the apps are normally responsible for that. So it could be either the OS not registering the selected browser properly or the other browser not registering itself correctly as the default browser.

They need to basically register themselves as responsible for html files and a bunch of protocols (http, https, etc). I’ve never had a problem like that, and I’ve been using macs for almost 30 years (I’ve used many different browsers as default in the past).

But browsers are pretty complicated beasts, so I believe you. There are a lot of things that can go wrong and your choice may not end up being respected.

Honytawk, (edited )

Mac literally doesn’t allow any other browser engine. They only allow webkit.

So your options are:

  • Safari
  • Safari with Chrome aesthetics
  • Safari with Firefox aesthetics
  • Safari with [insert browser here] aesthetics
Dmian, (edited )
@Dmian@lemmy.world avatar

No, you’re confusing MacOS with iOS. Mac allows whatever you want. Each browser has its own rendering engine. iOS is the one that only allows (for the moment) Webkit. But that’s going to change (at least in Europe). Here: en.wikipedia.org/…/Comparison_of_browser_engines#…

JackSkellington,

True, I forgot that part. Thanks! Still, it comes as weird for me to have software (zero tied to OS functions ) I cannot remove

Mio, in Useless messenger

Even if it exists, then it does not have to be good. Look at Microsoft Teams.

WindowsEnjoyer,
gunpachi,

I also hate it but unfortunately have to use it for work.

somenonewho,

It’s a stopgap but Teams for Linux at least gives you Wayland support, choice of seperate window sharing and background filters

WindowsEnjoyer,

Even if you look at Windows native version - it’s still trash. The chat client is disgusting bad.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I used browser when I had to use it

camelbeard,

They made it basically unusable with Firefox, so unless you also want to install Edge it really sucks

euphoric_cat,
@euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

forgive my ignorance, I also hated teams when I had to first use it, but now other than it being a microsoft and probably data hungry app, what’s bad about it?

saze,

It has indeed improved a lot over the last 2 years or so and is now actually quite a mature product, as much as I hate to admit that about an MS product. My biggest gripes with it are its refusal to acknowledge you may be using multiple devices (to this day) and MS’s insistence that a person only do one thing at one time (can’t edit calendar items while checking a chat, for example). Their Linux app is a joke and I’m better off running it from Chrome. The phone app makes the WiFi interface crash constantly and I have to run it off 4G; it is the only app I have this issue with.

Which brings me to another gripe. Teams documentation insists that screen sharing on Linux is not supported, and sure enough you cannot see the option for it while on a call with someone. However if you are in a meeting (with however many people), the option magically appears and works absolutely perfectly.

euphoric_cat, (edited )
@euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

finally, a decent response.

what do you mean by the multiple devices thing? also my experience has been mostly fine on the linux app, granted I’ve never been in a teams call, so it makes sense.

saze,

Apologies for the late reply, still getting a hang of this!

By multiple devices issues I meant the following. Sometimes for example, I am on a Teams call on my phone but want to use my laptop to view screensharing stuff and join the call there too (without hanging up the phone). Teams will insist that my audio switch over to the laptop too and I have to manually disable the audio on the laptop and re-enable it on the phone. It shocks me that such a mature offering from a massive corporation still cannot figure out that I may want a screenshare/audio split onto two devices and ask me at least. Another smaller nag, if I want audio only on the phone, it will constantly bug me to tell me the incoming video is switched off. I kind of understand this however, I get that they want to let the average user know why there is no incoming video, but surely there ought to be a “leave me alone” setting for this.

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

skype > teams

dan,
@dan@sffa.community avatar

Every damn thing?

Im_old,

It’s so horribly slow and resource hungry. It sucks a ton of memory, a lot of cpu. Every time I start a video call the cpu fan goes brrrr

lastweakness,

That’s just Teams on every platform though?

Im_old,

Absolutely!

mayonaise_met, (edited )

No separate tabs to do various things at once. You can pop out chats and calls, but that’s about it.

It also struggles to connect with the right audio device everytime.

euphoric_cat,
@euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

theres the open in app button I guess. I wouldn’t want to open any kind of document in the built in one because its so slow to load

108, in Useless messenger
@108@kbin.social avatar

WhatsApp is owned by Meta right?

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Yes

108,
@108@kbin.social avatar

Not sure why anyone would use it. I certainly wouldn't.

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

Couple reasons:

WhatsApp was its own company, took advantage of an open market in EU where SMS (and “international” phone calls?) were extra rate charges on mobile phones. Once every one got accustomed to using whatsapp Meta took it over and now we’re stuck with it.

meliaesc, (edited )

To communicate with anyone outside of the US, where it is extremely popular and is the main interaction with many businesses as well.

Pfnic,

It’s almost impossible not to sadly, at least if you want to reach everybody in ypur contacts… It was the first popular messaging app here and inertia prevents people from moving to better alternatives now.

Octopus1348,

Here almost everybody uses Viber or Messenger (I know Messenger’s also Meta)

pewgar_seemsimandroid, (edited )

viber > anything owned by facebool

Lolors17,

Threema > anything owned by giant corporations

mayonaise_met,

The reason is the network effect. I want to use signal or rather even an EU based messaging service, but everybody, including businesses, are on WhatsApp in my country.

nitefox,

Yeah. Younger ppl are on telegram, but that’s worse than WhatsApp so not much to be done

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

they should be using signal

nitefox, (edited )

In an ideal world, maybe. Hopefully we will see more of that thanks to RCS, since major players like WhatsApp, Message (Facebook) and iMessage will have to open up and be interoperable with other messaging systems.

So far, though, I’m stuck with WhatsApp (and iMessage for just one person!) and Telegram, nobody uses Signal here

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

convince new contacts to use signal that probably should be a good starting point

nitefox,

dude…

0x4E4F, (edited ) in Why I use Linux

Is it just me, or does this feel like the work of a person with serious mental health issues?

_cnt0,

Seemed pretty reasonable and sane to me.

Namstel,

Yeah, it kind of does, but I liked it!

m_r_butts,

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  • 0x4E4F,

    Was gonna say that, but was afraid of the repercusions… Lemmy has gotten quite sensitive lately.

    crispy_kilt,

    It’s kinda fun though

    LunchEnjoyer, in An unbiased comparison of linux distributions' setup
    @LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world avatar

    Love how this has almost 80 dislikes (as of writing this), as if they actually took it personally 😂

    _cnt0,

    as if they actually took it personally

    For me it is, in so far as I’d see it as a personal failure if my contributions here failed to create at least some controversy and ruffled some feathers :P

    You see, it’s fun to poke things. Poking a pumpkin is funny for about 10 seconds. Poking a beehive on the other hand … that has a certain thrill to it. Sure, one might get stung, but it keeps on giving for a long time.

    Prunebutt,

    I just don’t like the unnecessary stab at vegans. Adds nothing to the joke except rehash 10 year old stereotypes.

    _cnt0,

    That stab was necessitated by this existing: www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/…/42586279.NL9AC

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah but how many knew that? Context helps, I initially thought you were commenting on “if you tell everyone you’re vegan, you’re probably also the type to talk up arch”.

    Is this comic a useful contribution? It seems more divisive, made by someone who really concerns themselves with being part of an ingroup, vs anything meaningful.

    Dunno man, it’s a little… Mean spirited.

    _cnt0,

    Yeah but how many knew that?

    I did.

    Context helps,

    Context is for simple minded people.

    I initially thought you were commenting on “if you tell everyone you’re vegan, you’re probably also the type to talk up arch”.

    Yes.

    Is this comic a useful contribution?

    It entertained a lot of people.

    It seems more divisive,

    Welcome to the linux community: united, yet splintered.

    made by someone who really concerns themselves with being part of an ingroup, vs anything meaningful.

    Meh. As a fedora user I’m on the right side.

    Dunno man, it’s a little… Mean spirited.

    That’s an interesting way to express your tears of anger.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m a debian/Ubuntu/freebsd guy. So… Better luck next time with your guesses 🤭

    Yeah man, if this is the general quality of humor, I’m unsubscribing from our friendship hahaha.

    _cnt0,

    Better luck next time with your guesses 🤭

    What guesses?

    Yeah man, if this is the general quality of humor, I’m unsubscribing from our friendship hahaha.

    What friendship?

    Go play with your snaps.

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Based on your questions, looks like you need some context too. Thanks for proving your point!

    Anyway, I uninstalled snapd immediately.

    What friendship?

    I’m sorry you don’t have friends. I can be one if you like 😊

    _cnt0,

    Oh, I have friends. You’re just not one of them. Weren’t, aren’t, and likely won’t.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Ok, I believe you 😊

    kuneho,
    @kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

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  • RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Nope, just pointing out the vegan dig is meh quality. Similar to some people’s comments…

    TootSweet, in What do you guys do when you want to run unmaintained programs?

    Running the Windows version in Wine probably would never have occurred to me.

    Arch (i UsE aRcH bY tHe WaY)'s AUR has a package for it. I just installed gpaint on a Raspberry Pi 4 just to see if it worked. It worked perfectly. (Disclaimer: I did have to update the architecture in the PKGBUILD to allow armv7h, but on an x86_64 machine, that wouldn’t be an issue.)

    You could probably run Arch in Docker and install the AUR package in the Docker container if you wanted to go that route.

    Petter1,

    Mi just love the AUR 👌🏻

    T0RB1T,
    @T0RB1T@lemmy.ca avatar

    I do this using an Arch distrobox on my openSUSE Kalpa machine whenever I need anything that isn’t flatpak’d or available through my tumbleweed distrobox.

    Mango, in Hot take

    Well sure. My approach for looking for a distro was usually “which ones have KDE and pacman” and after that I start comparing.

    Octopus1348,
    @Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

    And for me, AUR.

    idefix,

    Which distribs have pacman but not AUR?

    Octopus1348,
    @Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

    I just wanted to mention that if a distro (somehow) had AUR but not pacman, I wouldn’t care.

    xaxl, in Linux community throught history

    Ubuntu is fine as a gateway drug imo. It hasn’t made the best decisions over time though, but I appreciate it’s contribution regardless.

    haui_lemmy,

    Ubuntu is what got me hooked to linux. By now I’m ready to jump ship and maybe use debian in the future.

    SpookyCoffee, in Songs about Vim

    Program: requires u to read man

    Entire internet apparently: omg so hard, never again

    ArcaneSlime,

    Me: youtube.com, Search: Vim tutorial linux

    Youtuber: “Fuckin hjkl i :s/foo/bar/g esc :wq”

    0x4E4F, (edited )
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Hey, I read man pages all that time, Vi/Vim are just unreasonably complicated. Sure, those commands had sense when there were no key modifiers available on keyboards, but in this day and age, to not at least add some shortcuts to be part of the program by default… thanks, but if I have to read a man page to exit a terminal text editor, that’s just not really my cup of tea.

    cyberpunk007,

    I don’t know when or why I learned vi, but once I used it for that short period of time I got used to it and it’s just muscle memory for me now. 99% of the dime I’m using x to delete text, yy (or ) and dd (or ) or p/P to copy/delete/paste lines, or :s/oldtext/newtext/g, or :wq or :x to write and quit. That’s like basically all I ever use VI for and it’s quick and easy to do. Once you know it, like anything, it’s quite a nice editor. Of course it can do a lot more than I typically use it for.

    If you think it’s complicated, think about the first time you had to type sudo apt-get install firefox instead of googling Firefox and double clicking an executable.

    Sanyanov,

    You just kindly described why no one ever should use Vim :D

    Using xyzbdvefsisgshs to copy-paste a line is not the level of convenience someone expects from a modern tool

    cyberpunk007,

    By that logic get away from Linux, eventually you’ll have to touch a shell and google some things to find out what to type inside a terminal. It’s not hard to learn i for insert and type stuff and esc to get out, colon x to save and quit. If you can’t remember those 3 steps you can’t even update your system on a command line lol.

    sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade sudo pacman -Syyu

    Etc. 3+ things to remember in each example.

    Sanyanov, (edited )

    The terminal commands have same idea and structure and apply to the entirety of your system. While it is still sometimes annoying to learn CLI commands of third-party apps (yes, I know of man, but it can be useless without examples at times), commands are generally the same for Linux systems and they cover everything.

    Learning vim is like learning Linux terminal again, but for just one task of word processing in one specific application. Why?

    With that being said, I’d rather solve most of my problems with GUI applications rather than go into a terminal. I can do stuff through terminal - I know basics of Linux/Unix commands - but just why? For most routine tasks, it is simply faster and easier to go with GUI, unless you are over SSH or just have a terminal-only instance, or unless you’re a sysadmin that does it 20 times each day and have muscle memory running in front of thinking what you wanna do.

    I know how to update packages through terminal - the thing you demonstrate. But I can also press two buttons in app store and it will all be done for me, so why bother? (Also, you call it three steps, but it’s kinda two steps on Debian or other apt-based distros followed by one step in Arch and other pacman-enabled ones? I’m confused)

    I’m certainly not gonna use terminal for word processing unless I absolutely have to. And for that, I’ll pick nano.

    Linux has to get more user-friendly - and it does. Most people are not die-hard terminal fanatics and want to get their stuff done with minimal headache - and that’s where it goes and should go. Being vim elitist doubles down on that terminal philosophy that is alien to an average user. And we should not discourage any type of user to try Linux for as long as they are willing to figure truly necessary stuff out.

    cyberpunk007,

    To each their own

    Sanyanov,

    The most reasonable approach, I guess.

    jkozaka, (edited )
    @jkozaka@lemm.ee avatar

    sure, but there are so many commands that are absolute godsends. one of my favourites is the c command. I can just write ct" and change all the text up to the next speech mark. and if you dislike some of the binds, make your own! (n)vi(m) is super customisable.

    just because it’s not familiar doesn’t mean it’s bad.

    Sanyanov,

    Fair enough.

    I guess someone can make use of this all, just not regular users. Besides, the controls are very legacy and it would make sense to make an updated version just to keep it more in line with tools people are used to and generally enhance user experience.

    jkozaka,
    @jkozaka@lemm.ee avatar

    I think gvim does that, but i’m not sure.

    Sanyanov,

    Will take a look, thanks

    hisbaan,

    Convenience is often a tradeoff for power. Nobody is claiming that vi and its derivatives are convenient, they’re saying it’s powerful.

    Personally I’m much much faster using neovim than I could be using something like vscode. There’s a myriad of other benefits that modal text editing brings to the table, not having to use a mouse and constantly switch back and forth being a big one for me.

    PlexSheep,

    Dont dare to insult the pinnacle of text editing.

    Tau,

    If you like modifier keys so much you are going to love emacs (default, not evil)

    0x4E4F,
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Cool, might try it 👍.

    Sanyanov,

    It’s a trap

    kittenzrulz123, in Linux users when

    sudo apt install firefox

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    This guy has super cow powers.

    kittenzrulz123,

    That would be sudo apt install cowsay

    waigl, in Linux community throught history

    “The Pianist” (2002), btw. In case anyone didn’t know and was wondering.

    0x4E4F,
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Adrian Brody’s best performance if you ask me.

    dipshit, in Linux too mainstream for some 🤷

    logic-gate-keeping

    PrismMind,

    I wonder if we can make a 8 bit adder out of gate keeping

    lseif,

    no its NOT

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