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Aux, in eat the rich

You already have a mean of production in your hand. But the only thing you produce is stupid memes.

OurToothbrush,

I’m pretty sure phones are not all that is involved in commodity production.

Aux,

But they are. Because we live in a service economy and the only thing you produce are services. Phone is enough. Use it wisely.

OurToothbrush,

Yeah. Hold on, I’m just going to build a house, get access to fresh water, and produce food with my phone. After that I’m going to get vaccinated with my phone. And after that I’ll make some clothes with my phone.

Go read the first few chapters of capital on means of production.

Aux,

Yeah, you can build a house with a phone. Your few chapters are a bit outdated, by about two centuries. The world has moved on.

OurToothbrush,

Please demonstrate how a house is built with a phone.

Aux,
OurToothbrush,

That does not demonstrate how a house is built with a phone

Aux,

And that’s why you’ll be poor forever.

OurToothbrush,

Lol I have a bullshit job in tech, I’m just not ignorant about what marxist terms mean because I’ve read marx.

interdimensionalmeme,

Even if they did produce something, Jeff Bezos would steal it as soon as it started making a buck.

Seizing the means of production made sense when that was the leverage the owners used to strip the surplus value from you.

Today, they use gatekept platform and a captive audience with AI manipulation to insert themselves between you and the customers and strip you of your surplus value.

Now pay Bezos’ 40% tax until Amazon basic is ready to outcompete out of the platform entirely. Welcome to the second page of Google !

Aux,

Lolwut? You’re delusional, mate.

OurToothbrush, in Whatever gets people engaged in the process

Read books, look at memes, consume no traditional infotainment

Gorillatactics, in This is literally the internet nowadays without an adblock

When you click the ublock button it says how many things they blocked. Mine is in the millions by now.

IWantToFuckSpez, in Floppy disks were high-tech weapons once

And it was microfilm before floppy disks. And after it was CDs then USB sticks.

Evilphd666, in I got covid :(
@Evilphd666@hexbear.net avatar

TUSSIN TUSSIN TUSSIN TUSSIN TUSSIN TUS TUS TUSSIN

I ain’t 'fraid of no sleep. I ain’t 'fraid of no bed.

Get better soon comrade fidel-salute-big

miss_brainfart, in Work is fulfilling and fun 🙃
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

I somehow managed to avoid excel my entire life, and I’ll be so lost whenever using it is actually going to be required of me

Waffle,

Get on Google sheets or something to stay organized… Learn how to use index match and how to nest formulas (e.g. countifs, sumifs).

It’s incredibly frustrating when someone at work can’t navigate an excel file or a spreadsheet.

Agent641,

I love google sheets. I made some nifty little functions in it. Then I discovered appscript and things got a little weird. I made an automated CRM system. An automailer. An animated dancing badger made by changing the colours of the cells. It gets a bit hazy after that.

miss_brainfart,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s incredibly frustrating when someone at work can’t navigate an excel file or a spreadsheet.

Oh, I know the feeling, be it in other areas.

Okkai,

😬 I moved from a restaurant job to an office and live on Excel now. I have probably not used it for 10 years before this. I’m beginner level for sure. Any suggestions on how to improve quickly?

Waffle,
Grayox, in Because it's almost time
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Just watched Stargate for the first time last night cause it was free on YouTube, fun movie.

TvanBuuren,

The series is zoooooo much better

rwhitisissle,

It’s a lot of fun. I remember taping it on VHS back when it was still airing on t.v. I would pause the VCR when commercials started so that it recorded episodes mostly unbroken.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Undoubtedly, had seen a few episodes on scifi back in the day and loved it, glad they made the series the universe has so much fun lore to explore, do any streaming services have it?

TvanBuuren,

Prime has it here.

Gradually_Adjusting, in I got covid :(
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Ha ha haha aww ;(

Evil_Shrubbery, in I'm scared guys..

Oh, this is how we get Future Frieza (DBZ: Dokkan Battle)?

No, this is how we get Mecha Frieza! Or possibly Meta-Coolers! (DBZ: The Return of Cooler)

BruceTwarzen, in The other inflation issue

What are the mixed signals? I'm fat but theis sign tells me to shop at the fatty factory, oh what should i do?

Viking_Hippie,

I’m generally against using that word, but GODDAMN, “the fatty factory” is the PERFECT description of McDonald’s 🤣

bernieecclestoned, (edited ) in Smh they made video games political

Bollocks, any decent game needs a fuck ton of capital to develop

Please share all the greatest communist games

Agree that loot boxes suck, they are gambling, not gaming

Edit. Yes, Tetris. One game made in 1985. Brilliant example Tankards.

So the score so far for games made:

Communism - 1

Capitalism - 831,000

Empricorn,

Stardew Valley

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Disco Elysium

Coasting0942,

That’s like saying only Disney can make movies. Cause they have capital.

bernieecclestoned,

Anyone can make a movie, but you can’t make a big budget movie without a big budget.

Graylitic,

Movies need smaller budgets to be good again. Same with games.

alsaaas, (edited )
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

not rly, you don’t have studio level funding if you don’t optimize (the content) for revenue. same with large/aaa level games

edit: according to George Lucas, filmmakers in the USSR had more artistic freedom than he had when making Star Wars www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI

DmMacniel,

Sure but does it need that money when it’s released or is it simply there because of publisher greed?

rando895,

Because capitalism was the first time money existed lol

bernieecclestoned,

What? Are you saying the video game industry predates capitalism? Lol

Froyn,

Wolfenstein?

Edit because I thought of a real one. Tetris.

superduperenigma,

Cave Story

crypticthree,

Tetris enters the chat

bernieecclestoned,

Which was only successful because it got licensed to Western software companies.

crypticthree,

Yeah it being an incredibly addictive universally approachable game has nothing to do with it being widely played for over 40 years… 🙄

bernieecclestoned,

You know that copyright export was illegal under the Soviets though yeah? So it only got released because a UK software sales guy faxed them a contract and they didn’t realise it was binding

Robert Stein, an international software salesman for the London-based firm Andromeda Software, saw the game’s commercial potential during a visit to Hungary in June 1986.[18]: 302 [25]: 11 min After an indifferent response from the Academy,[25]: 12 min Stein contacted Pajitnov and Brjabrin by fax to obtain the license rights.[25]: 11 min The researchers expressed interest in forming an agreement with Stein via fax, but they were unaware that this fax communication could be considered a legal contract in the Western world;[26] Stein began to approach other companies to produce the game.[17]: 89–90

Stein approached publishers at the 1987 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Gary Carlston, co-founder of Broderbund, retrieved a copy and brought it to California. Despite enthusiasm amongst its employees, Broderbund remained skeptical because of the game’s Soviet origins. Likewise, Mastertronic co-founder Martin Alper declared that “no Soviet product will ever work in the Western world”.[17]: 90

Stein ultimately signed two agreements: he sold the European rights to the publisher Mirrorsoft,[17]: 90 [27] and the American rights to sister company Spectrum HoloByte.[28] The latter obtained the rights after a visit to Mirrorsoft by Spectrum HoloByte president Phil Adam in which he played Tetris for two hours.[17]: 90 [25]: 15 min At that time, Stein had not yet signed a contract with the Soviet Union.[27] Nevertheless, he sold the rights to the two companies for £3,000 and a royalty of 7.5 to 15% on sales

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris

Would be kind of hard to play a game that didn’t get published by the evil capitalist lol

Even_Adder,

No it wouldn’t. Tetris was going to get played by millions whether someone licensed it or not. That’s why there was such a mad scramble to land a deal.

bernieecclestoned,

Please explain copyright export licensing under Soviet Union rules

Even_Adder,

You don’t need licensing to copy that floppy. That’s what your mind can’t grasp.

bernieecclestoned,

The Soviet Union owned all copyright, there was no licensing let alone individual copyright.

Where are you getting floppies from? Where are you getting your computer from?

Even_Adder,

Computers and floppies existed outside of the USSR, as did Tetris.

bernieecclestoned,

The floppy, invented by IBM, one of the biggest capitalist companies ever??

Even_Adder,

I think you have me confused for someone else.

bernieecclestoned,

Computers and floppies existed outside of the USSR, as did Tetris.

TimeSquirrel, (edited )
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Would be kind of hard to play a game that didn’t get published by the evil capitalist lol

I've played about a dozen versions of Tetris over the last 30 years, a lot of which were written by just one dude and released to the world without the expectation of compensation. There are literally hundreds of ports/clones that run on everything from a Nokia phone to a Unix/Linux text mode interface.

Were it not for western publishers, I'm pretty sure it would have spread anyway just due to its addictive nature and it being an excellent time sink. Just like chess and checkers didn't need a capitalist to spread around the globe.

I'm literally using an entire operating system right now that not one capitalist controls. It runs most of the internet's infrastructure. Sure, the capitalists can use it and even contribute, but they don't get to dictate how you run your system.

bernieecclestoned,

How about your hardware? And the fibre that enables us to communicate? And the electricity?

RoosterBoy,
  1. You moved the goalposts
  2. How did the soviets make Tetris if technology only exists under capitalism?
TimeSquirrel, (edited )
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Oh, funny you mention that, because in my country, my government paid to have fiber laid but the useless bloodsucking capitalist ISPs didn't do absolutely jack shit with the money and pocketed it. That's why were having to do stupid shit like Starlink now to connect the people out in the sticks.

My electricity is also provided by a co-op.

AngryCommieKender,

Psst. Almost 40 years. Tetris was released in 1985 not 1983

This comment brought to you by an old fuck that doesn’t need to be artificially aged to be even older

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

That’s only because in the West there was no way for the game to reach customers at the time. The game was popular in the “Soviet Block” just fine, because distribution model was different.

Today, it would spread through internet like fire.

bernieecclestoned, (edited )

Sure, I’m always playing Vietnamese and Cuban games. They’re grrrreat!

And Tetris was only successful because of licencing, let’s not create an alternative history here

DrJenkem,
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No, games require labor to develop.

bernieecclestoned,

The capital pays for the labour, unless you have people who can work for free.

DrJenkem,
@DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

Within the confines of capitalism I would probably agree. But under socialism, production happens independently of capital accumulation.

bernieecclestoned,

Yeah right. Capital accumulation just comes via bribes instead. Corruption was rife in communist countries

xor,

corruption is rife in countries

FTFY

bernieecclestoned,

But moreso where there’s no opportunity to make money

xor,

That’s a pretty drastic statement to make without evidence

bernieecclestoned,

www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

Clearly demonstrates that market socialist and hardcore capitalist countries like Denmark, Switzerland and Singapore are the least corrupt.

DrJenkem,
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While certainly capitalist, Denmark and Sweden use the nordic model which tends to lean pretty social-democrat/welfare-state.

Not to mention, much of bribery under capitalist states is legalized and codified. For example, I’m guessing their study didn’t consider Super-PACs as a form of corruption or bribery. Even though that’s clearly what they are.

xor,

Okay but the bottom 5 are all capitalist countries.

Even if that wasn’t the case, just linking a corruption index doesn’t prove your original statement:

corruption is more common where there’s no opportunity to make money

Edit: since you’ve edited and added words, let me add:

I would even go as far as to say that your evidence in fact suggests rather the opposite trend: countries where wealth is more equitably distributed have lower rates of corruption

bernieecclestoned,
xor,

Are you aware that this is an article about how the poorly managed transition to capitalism allowed highly concentrated wealth and power, and thus corruption?

postcommunist Europe’s economic transition and institutional vacuum provided ideal opportunities for state capture. The most attractive jobs sought by corrupt officials were associated with the privatization process, institutions that regulated business and the customs bureau

decisivelyhoodnoises,

Yeah the “postcommunist” is a very difficult word and the guy couldn’t understand the meaning. He thought that it might have something to do with the post office

DrJenkem,
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Lol, there’s plenty of opportunity to make money under socialism. You just have to do the labor. Under capitalism, however, there exists opportunity to derive money from other people’s surplus labor value, for example, I can pay a worker $4 to make a thing that requires $1 in supplies and sell that for $10. That difference of $5 is stolen surplus value from the laborer. Socialists seek to abolish this parasitic relationship.

DrJenkem,
@DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

Even if we suppose that’s true, you’re still failing to illustrate how capital is necessary for production under socialism.

bernieecclestoned,

Maybe we should start with what you mean by capital

DrJenkem,
@DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

Given the context of the meme being a picture of Karl Marx, I was using the Marxist definition of capital. Marxists.org provides a pretty digestible definition: www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/a.htm

bernieecclestoned,

Ok good. So capital is required for capex and opex.

As you start with 0 sales you need to get capital from investors to fund you until sales >1

DrJenkem,
@DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

Yes, that is how it works under capitalism.

Under socialism however, the state funds labor based on needs and/or desires for the output of that labor (the commodity). In this case, the money isn’t used for the goal of making more money, therefore, this isn’t capital at all. And yet, the labor happens and the commodity created. Therefore, the production is independent of the capital.

Wakmrow,

Capital doesn’t cease to exist under communism, guy. It just stops being controlled by one person.

bernieecclestoned,

Yes, it gets mismanaged by central government

👏…👏…👏

Graylitic,

Why does labeling management “government” suddenly make the tools shittier? Is there a mystical quality to Capitalist managers of Capital?

bernieecclestoned,

Using everything that happened in the 20th century as evidence, no mystery. There’s good governance and bad management. Just one is more effective overall.

Graylitic,

How? Mind elaborating, or are you deadass just saying it’s purely vibes? Explain.

culprit,
@culprit@lemmy.ml avatar

Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks

Valmond,

You can get that money back by making a good game and charge for it, no need for dark pattern and lootboxes.

AngryCommieKender,

Minecraft

Terraria

Astrox Imperium (this is a single player version of EvE Online, so definitely not for everyone)

Dyson Sphere Program

Factorio

UFO:AI (admittedly this is a FOSS XCOM game that started as a clone of XCOM Apocalypse, and morphed into something bigger)

All developed by either a single person, or tiny teams with basically no start up capital. I’m sure I can find more, since the FOSS list of games is enormous.

Labor develops society. Capital enshittifies society.

Graylitic,

Add Dead Cells, from Motion Twin, an Anarcho-Syndicalist worker co-op.

decisivelyhoodnoises,

If you’re not trolling you’re stupid af

alsaaas,
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A few (good and one time buy) games off the top of my head (is that how you use the expression/idiom?):

Obviously commie games:

  • Disco Elysium
  • Cruelty Squad

Might or might not be commie, but definitely progressive:

  • Bioshock series

honourable mentions:

  • Vitoria 3 (who would have thought that a democratically controlled and publicly owned economy would be meta? does have a nasty dlc policy tho)
  • Partisans 1941 (you play the story of soviet partisans on the eastern front, what more is there to say?)
  • everything from the studio “Kremlingames” (they make political sims about eastern block countries, without glorifying them)
  • Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic (eastern block “City: Skylines”)
  • VA-11 Hall-A (good vn in a cyberpunk dystopia, does not rly have a political theme tho iirc)
optissima,

Missing Tetris!

mp3, in The other inflation issue
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I’m love-handle’in it.

radioactiveradio, in great car advice

Someone hasn’t seen one of those compilations of tires flying off the car and killing unsuspecting pedestrians/drivers.

pewgar_seemsimandroid, in Smh they made video games political

💀

radioactiveradio, in This is literally the internet nowadays without an adblock

My former co-worker was daily driving his browser without any extensions and didn’t see anything wrong with it. I was watching him work one day and he was literally fighting a battle against the unholy pop-ups just tryna download some free fonts. What could’ve been done in 2 clicks took him minutes to do trying to close all the ads and tabs kept opening, videos kept playing. It was painful just to watch.

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