This is a semi spicy take but hear me out. He went on for like 5 albums about what a lonely piece of shit he was and that no one loved him and he was a horrible person. He even alludes to being a predator in Science Fiction. I think the song is called, “in the water.” While I would never condone what he did, his actions, in a way validate his music. Something that was often in doubt for me in that genre.
The line I’m referring too is, “hide your daughters, the old men say. We were young once before, we know how we get our way.”
This is the exact argument I’ve made to my wife with varying degrees of success: we literally listened to him outright admit to how much of a piece of shit he is in his lyrics and it’s weird to suddenly act like “omg! What a surprise!” when we’ve been singing his lyrics like “Me vs. Madonna vs. Everyone Else” off Deja Entendu since forever ago. And I’m generally pretty left-leaning with a low tolerance for rapey bullshit but come on guys.
So the punchline is “if you drink your kid may get FAS, here’s Tom depicting it”? That’s not so much offensive as just…not funny? Like it’s just a dumb, poorly executed joke.
The joke is in the image: of course the text description of it won’t land. But I can’t post it because it would get taken down
Whether its funny is beside the point. Why did it get taken down? I see people screenshotting unfunny tweets and posting it to meme communities and it gets 1k upvotes.
Let me ask you this: should I find a Tom and Jerry depiction of somebody dying of lung cancer in their final moments funny?
I just don’t see the comedy here. It’s overlaying a cartoon over tragedy. But because (I’m assuming) there is little sympathy for a mother who drinks and thus impacts their child, it’s suddenly acceptable and funny because it’s appropriately judgmental.
Edit: I think you should reframe this as “people find this joke tasteless.“ I find being tasteless different from being offensive. I don’t get offended by 9/11 jokes. But I’ve definitely heard a couple that I found tasteless. Though some people rightfully find it offensive as well - would you share this meme with someone who suffered a miscarriage or has experienced/been around FAS in some capacity? Would you knowingly share it with a NICU nurse?
But that description also fits many of the stuff i myself put here.
As a far left anarchist i have to disagree with censorship of “dumb and not funny”, though I also respect the will of a collective (lemmy community) to decide what topics they find acceptable in their space, subjective humor and intelligence isnt a good reasons for exclusion (borders discrimination).
Imagine the joke was funny, would it have been acceptable? Obviously in a community for recovering addicts or one exclusively for pictures flowers it would not, but others?
We must be intolerant of the intolerant and only the intolerant otherwise we risk becoming intolerant ourselves.
It’s not “censorship” as you mean it I imagine because we aren’t a state entity. Every forum engages in censorship to some degree, even if only to protect themselves legally. I think too many think we have some (misguided) mandate to protect free speech to the point where we should endure the feds banging at our doors.
Sure, an individual forum shouldn’t carry the responsible to protect all human rights on that forum. But as an anarchist i object to the authority of a centralized state so i cant see it their job either.
In my ideals humanity is a collective of people and all of us carry the responsibility to safeguard the wellbeing of all people, as a collective. People who have been at the rejected end of continued intolerance know how damaging it can be for ones health.
Currently i dont know any true safe online spaces for the world most misguided or seriously ill people. So where can these people go? Social isolation is an echo chamber of their own mind.
Lemmy.ml doesnt need a nazi community but as - moral global human collective we should at least maintain lists of resources to help those struggling (with morality). A simple “we dont allow this here but here is a list of resources” ranging from social media to mental heath providers, or better social media monitored by non authoritative mental health providers.
I get what you are saying, but at the end of the day I’m just a volunteer trying to do the best I can. I’m thinking about the people in my community who are participating in good faith. I don’t have time to rehabilitate some asshole across the world who’s decided they just don’t like me and it is now their mission for the next few days to make my life miserable. I would love to rehabilitate them if I had the resources or time, I am all too familiar with the radicalizing nature of a lot of the Internet, especially when people are isolated. But at some point, I just can’t be expected to do the work no matter how much I want to. It’s enormous and outside of the scope of the many other things I’m already managing.
I don’t just kick people out for disagreeing or whatever. If some jerk shows up but they can play at least decently nice, they are welcome to stay around. I think that more than anything else I can manages would help turn them around. The good place put it really well: first change the behavior, then change the motivation.
You are doing what you can, as a volunteer no less so that on its own deserves all of my respect. I am fully aware my ideals are idealistic and even radical, i have no belief that i one day may see them true exactly as i imagine them. I will still promote them fully because my rationalize is that by aiming for ideal perfections we can nudge reality as close to it as is possible. Every small step on the way is a huge victory.
It’s starting to sound echoy in here. You can joke about kids being shot up in American schools but you can’t joke about abortion, fat people, etc., because then it seems too mean spirited.
I think the big issue is that joking about school shootings is satirical to bring up how common it is in hopes to change it, while joking about fat people is just to be mean. No one is going to change because you made fun of them, in fact it might make the problem worse as state of mind is a factor in being unhealthy.
You could probably make the same argument about abortion jokes being satirical, but I don’t think abortion jokes are made in order to enact social change. It’s usually just to be offensive. Satire is usually used to point out how ridiculous something is, the hope is that we as a society will see it and do something about it.
You can be offensive and funny at the same time. But it's an extremely fine line, and difficult to pull off. Watch Jimmy Carr if you want to see it done properly.
Jokes about school shootings are jokes about America and its priorities. The punchline is America and its ruthless protection of firearms, not dead kids.
Jokes about obesity are jokes about a person and their weight. They’re the subject and the punchline and there is no meaningful observation other than “I find them repulsive.”
No, that's just what the political right tells you they are all about. Inspect their actual actions over the last several centuries and they tell a very different story.
Make no mistake, conservatives desire an oppressive government. They want the state to be able to tell you you can't be gay or Muslim. They yearn for the boot on their neck, so long as it steps harder on their neighbors than it does on them personally.
And it's like trying to hold back the ocean with a toothpick, telling people they can't be gay or Muslim or anything else. As with most right-wing oppression, it's an aspiration that is abusive, unrealistic and asinine in every way.
Remember that for a capitalist, free market and lack of government intervention means:
Lower taxes (for the capitalists)
Less regulation (for the capitalists)
No government handouts (except for capitalists)
Etc.
They absolutely do say what they’re going to when they suggest improvements. Just remember - they only apply to the capitalist class. They’re not talking about you. Everything they say lines up when you remember, if they say “I’m going to improve X”, just add “for billionaires” at the end. If they say “I’m going to stop Y programs”, just add “but only for the poor”.
It all makes sense viewed as the class warfare that it is.
Republicans ended slavery while democrats fought to preserve it in the south. While technically true I imagine you can drop your partisan blinders to acknowledge that 1) this is so simplistic to the point of turning an accurate statement inaccurate, 2) it ignores party realignment, and 3) instances like good ol boy Strom switching to the republicans during integration because he hated black people so much, which immediately complicates the implied narrative.
All of this is to say that you, me, and everybody reading this conversation know that “liberal” does not mean what you are saying. It is just an annoying thing conservatives say to get under the skin of liberals. It is not productive, highly reductionist, and in bad faith.
My political party examples are expressions of conservative and liberal politics. My final paragraph very clearly states conservative and liberal. I feel like you’re being intentionally difficult here but I’d like to be wrong.
Let me translate: “I made an utterly tasteless and shitty abortion/miscarriage-adjacent meme that got moderated and I CANNOT stop whining about it, but liberals are the sensitive snowflakes around here”
No, there is definitely a list of things you can make fun of on this site, capitalism, American healthcare/infrastructure/etc, bills/how expensive things are, killing the rich, etc. It doesn’t matter how tasteless or dark the meme is so long as you direct it at the right subject matter. This is effectively an echo-chamber.
By definition, something offensive must be something that can cause someone to take offense. Saying “haha, people get offended when I say offensive things” is rather redundant.
The portion of the left which is insecure and obnoxious, that is. Trust me, we’re annoyed by them, too. They make the rest of us look like whiny, judgmental assholes.
tosses and turns, occasionally glancing at the clock, getting more and more pissed as the hours go by until finally, exhaustion creeping in, your alarm goes off
I used to be like this. Once you learn to let go the anxiety won’t keep you up. It’s counter intuitive in a cruel way. But that’s life the more enraged you are at the lack of control you inevitably have the farther you are from achieving your desired goals.
Look, it’s the standard American recipe, as dictated by George Washington himself. Every American is born knowing this recipe, like how we all know how to make a s’more.
You take a pig (probably from the natives) and you cut off its ass. Throw the rest away because efficiency is for the goddamn communists. Puree this ass for about 90 minutes. Add high fructose corn syrup because lobbying. Extrude (squirt) it into a plastic forever chemical tube then microwave on high for 17:76. Serve 10 of these with 8 buns, because certain people just don’t deserve bread.
It’s been about ten years since sports betting advertising has been permitted on TV in most Australian states. It has pervaded everything and made betting a normalised part of sport.
Most people hate it and want it gone, but clubs and networks are drunk off the money it provides so governments have been slow to move.
Please if your country doesn’t allow sports betting ads yet, put up a fight to stop it.
In Finland gambling/slot machines/betting is monopoly from state and it is not allowed to be advertised. It is age controlled and all the money from the gambling go to charity/tax, and gambling addiction control.
I do like that system, even if it sometimes feels bit controlling people from theirself.
Baby Boomer: The generation is often defined as people born from 1946 to 1964 during the mid-20th century baby boom. 1962 the birth control pills came. The Food and Drug Administration approved the first oral contraceptive in 1960. Within 2 years of its initial distribution, 1.2 million American women were using the birth control pill, or the “pill,” as it is popularly known. This was the end of the baby boom.
Perhaps part of the reason they seem… different… to younger generations is related to the fact that there would have been a higher percentage of unwanted pregnancies for their cohort than the ones that followed.
Almost as if humans reproduce much faster during times of abundance and a pill specifically designed to stop human reproduction would cause a dramatic drop in human birth rates 🤔
Every generation before Gen X was conceived without The Pill being available. The fact that it did not exist has nothing to do with why there were more Boomers than there were Greatest Generation or Silent Generation.
Similar baby booms happened in other parts of the world, though the exact dates differ.
So somebody on the internet referring to boomers might mean people born in the late 60s as well.
The Pill became available right as the first wave of Boomers came of age. They were the first generation to have it available when they were at that college/marriage age. The Pill didn’t end Boomers. The Pill is why there are so many fewer Gen Xers; because Boomers used The Pill. There was slower uptake among the parents.
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