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CyberEgg, in Your wildest fantasies come true in the holodeck

Holodecks are a terrifying technology.
Imagine your friends beam you into a running program while you are sleeping.
Everybody, when something out of the ordinary happens, would at first say: ”Computer, stop program!”

rockerface,
TheOneCurly,
@TheOneCurly@lemmy.theonecurly.page avatar

I have to believe an experienced holodeck user would be able to detect some of the telltale signs pretty easily. Like replicated food, if you see it enough you probably notice “holodeck vase #5” showing up scattered around the background of scenes as clutter. Or even minor visual distortions where it switches from 3d to the false horizon.

CyberEgg,

I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I randomly rewatched ‘Ship in a Bottle’ and even Data only recognizes they’re still in a simulation due to a blank transporter log. No visual clues, no glitch in the matrix, an empty log that could have been empty for any other reason.

foggy, in oof

1999?

Try $20.

hemko, in oof

Oh I would listen the shit album 100 times and memorize the lyrics for each song. It might have been bad album, but it was mine and I was so excited to bring it home.

But also I was very young

teamevil,

So you too owned Limp Bizkit albums

teft, in Are you prepared for the future?
@teft@startrek.website avatar

Time to invest in silver paint.

tpihkal, in oof

Where the hell you buying CDs for $10 in 1999?

enthusiasticamoeba,

The standard price where I grew up was $13. Feels like a steal these days.

tpihkal,

I don’t think any CD I ever wanted enough to buy was less than $16. My family was poor so cassette tapes were still a thing for quite a while.

By the time I could start thinking about affording CDs, I’d already seen the movie Hackers (1994) and was convinced everything would be digital really fucking fast.

I started converting my CDs in the Napster era.

enthusiasticamoeba,

Yeah, I only had a handful of CDs because they were too expensive! I jumped on the napster train and got a CD burner as soon as I could.

teamevil,

CD Depot.

TokyoMonsterTrucker, in oof

Worse: you’re a DJ in 1998 and spend $12 for a 6 minute B-side.

julianwgs, in oof

It‘s 2023, you can still listen to the same shitty music, because it is yours to keep.

zammy95,

I’m assuming you’re saying still listen to the same shit music you BOUGHT back then?

abraxas,

The sad truth. I threw out my CD binders at least 10 years ago. I still have some of that uploaded to the cloud, but I’ve swapped provider a few times and probably lost some.

And more often, I Just listen on spotify or youtube music.

julianwgs,

Yes, the comment was meant as criticism of the streaming era packaged as a joke

optissima, in And the world was flat, like an Italian pizza
RickyRigatoni, in oof
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

You buy a Sony CD and decide to play it on your computer.

Your computer now has a rootkit installed.

explodicle,

I STILL don’t buy Sony shit because of that. They booby trapped their product and idiots still buy it. There are plenty of competitors who don’t do that.

schmidtster,

Or they just haven’t been caught yet.

It would be naive to think it’s a singular event.

explodicle,

Certainly not singular, but it’s very difficult to get away with this undetected because the end user gets physical access to the hardware.

schmidtster,

Linux is open source, and they had a malware for 10 years that was undetected.

Having access means nothing if you don’t know what you’re looking for. Rootkits are serious problems.

AVincentInSpace,

Wait, what malware was that?

schmidtster,

Which one? There was the 2020 one by winnti group that attacked Linux servers for a decade, and another in 2021/22 called symbiote, but I don’t know how long that one was hidden for.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

And these days people just install the rootkit, only it’s allegedly to prevent game cheating.

hackris,

And, when called out, everyone tells you you’re a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing, organ trafficking criminal

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

That’s because you guys throw around the word “rootkit” like my parents call everything “woke” or “communist.”

You probably couldn’t even define what a rootkit is yet you’re scared shitless of a thing you can’t properly define.

So yeah, anyone who’s afraid of something they don’t even understand fully is absolutely paranoid.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Most people are not fully cognizant of the rights they sign away in a click through. There is paranoid and there is prudent.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Read the EULA, if you don’t want an anticheat that requires those permissions then don’t install the game.

Something having kernel access doesn’t make it a rootkit, it makes it high-risk for misuse by a threat actor. Only if the software was exploited by a bad actor to acquire root/hardware permissions would this issue actually become something.

That, or if the anticheat wasn’t uninstallable and/or dodged scans intended to locate it, etc.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Putting the responsibility to understand legalese (and advanced concepts like rootkits) to such an extent on the end user is just straight gaslighting. Nobody has the required expertise to determine what an EULA actually says outside of the lawyer who wrote it, and even then, I wouldn’t guarantee it.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Damn now we are misusing gaslighting as well to just mean “hiding something.”

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Ugh. As in blaming someone, casting aspersions on them for something that isn’t their fault or responsibility. Words broaden in meaning. If you’re going to quibble about semantics, I got nothing to say to you.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

well the game installs a kernel module without my consent. Isn’t that the definition of a rootkit?

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Did you install a game with anticheat? Did that anticheat require kernel level access? Can you read?

I’m just curious what part is them sneaking something onto your machine that you’re unaware of?

hackris,

I have no idea if the gamers installing it are “unaware” (I never played such a game), however it’s still a shitty practice. The average Joe has no idea what the hell a rootkit is and it’s predatory to exploit this. Also, no game should install rootkits. For the love of god, it’s a videogame.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

No game is installing rootkits, you guys just keep misusing the term, as I’ve attempted to explain like five fucking times in this thread.

The average joe clearly doesn’t understand what a rootkit is, as you’ve well established.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

most anticheats run in the kernel, even the most popular ones like battleye and vanguard.
also they are often installed automatically while launching games for the first time, without any prompts

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

yeah maybe just design proper authoritative servers instead?
anticheats are kinda a band-aid solution.

Cort,

Or maybe bring back self hosted servers so you can roll your own

aniki,

Viva la Gamespy!

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

slef hosted servers don’t solve cheating on their own either.
proper authoritive server shouldn’t send or accept any information that isn’t strictly necessary, like positions of players that are in a completely different part of the map

foggy,

“most people who had the rootkit installed on their machine dont know what a rootkit is anyways; why should I care?”

-sony’s response

tacosanonymous, in Your wildest fantasies come true in the holodeck

Wtf? Take a breather, Janeway.

some_guy, in Very misleading name

Taught me how to make eggs-benedict, so I dunno what you’re talking about. 1 part eggs for every 2 parts gunpowder. Spicy.

Hotdogman, in Are you prepared for the future?

Pssh, that’s just a picture of the beltway around DC in the morning.

charmesal, in Priorities

Yet I deal with pebcac

hunter2, in Look, a keystone species

What a hero, single-handedly counteracting deforestation. You go squirrel man, you go!

Norgur, in Look, a keystone species

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