Does nobody who says this remember their days in highschool?
Let’s say a bedtime of 9
School gets out at 3
Allot about 2 hours for homework, it’s now 5
Allot an hour for dinner, it’s 6
Congratulations! A kid has a whopping 3 hours of free time per weekday to enjoy the last few years of childhood. These are even relatively conservative numbers, HW could easily stretch into 3-4+ hours with an AP class or a particularly HW heavy teacher leaving a whole hour of free time! How wonderful.
Oops wait, a strict parent(s) now adds an additional hour for household chores, ah well so much for free time.
The whole point is that they shouldn’t have to make that choice…
I also made that choice, so I know exactly how unhealthy it is to either 1) not have any time in the day to decompress and mentally prepare myself for the next day or 2) Revenge stay up so that I can do 1 but only get 5-6 hours of sleep.
the whole damn point is that teenagers can’t just choose to go to sleep earlier, all that would result in is them laying wide awake in bed and missing out on time to socialize.
And I’m saying, with how dense an average teenager’s schedule is, going to sleep earlier results in them having no free time in their lives. It’s just sleep, school, homework, sleep, school, homework.
That’s no life. I know, I lived through it. What you’re suggesting is an illusion of choice. Not to mention that as a teenager I could get in bed at 9 and just stare at the wall until 3am. One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.
It sucks, but as things are those are the options for them. Either less sleep and more free time or cutting back on free time.
One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.
Worked for us during camp. Took a while to get to the rhythm but worked. Dunno if it’s an actual thing that teenagers have to sleep on a schedule where they have to stay up late. If so, sucks, then they got no choice.
It sucks, but as things are those are the options for them. Either less sleep and more free time or cutting back on free time.
One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.
Worked for us during camp. Took a while to get to the rhythm but worked. Dunno if it’s an actual thing that teenagers have to sleep on a schedule where they have to stay up late. If so, sucks, then they got no choice.
People keep thinking everything said online is an argument. I’m just telling you those are their options. It’s tough titties for them since they really can’t affect when their school starts.
Don’t be angry at me that that’s how it is. I didn’t make it so.
them since they really can’t affect when their school starts.
Don’t be angry at me that that’s how it is. I didn’t make it so.
Well duh. As adults, authority figures and parents that’s our job to push for these things and get it done for them. Just because we had to suffer through it doesn’t mean the status quo should remain the same. That’s the same BS “pull up the ladder behind me” attitude that’s affecting so many other things.
It sucks, but as things are those are the options for them. Either less sleep and more free time or cutting back on free time.
One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.
Worked for us during camp. Took a while to get to the rhythm but worked. Dunno if it’s an actual thing that teenagers have to sleep on a schedule where they have to stay up late. If so, sucks, then they got no choice.
lol … I had a nephew like that … at around the age of 12 to 15 a few years ago … I’d be visiting their family, then around 10, he’d yawn, make a big show and say he’s going to bed.
What the parents just ignored was that he was lying in bed with his ipad and phone until early, early in the morning watching movies, youtube or tv all night long and getting absolutely no sleep … wake up like a drunken sailor every morning and not pay attention at school.
The parents didn’t care because the kid wasn’t bothering them and he stayed quiet in his room … he could live their by himself on the wifi connection for all they cared. … high speed internet is a great baby sitter.
Or a not so forceful solution: Go into the Ctrl + Alt + Del menu, and press the power button while holding down Ctrl. Now you can do an emergency shutdown.
I remember finding myself in the exact same situation recently. I was sleepier than I ever remember being and the shutdown screen showed an update pending. I compromised for an OFF monitor with the CPU doing whatever it needed to do.
Not really, it’s a pretty simple command that not everyone uses anyway. -s is for shutdown, -t for time. There are more complicated things in the Windows command line interface.
I use “shutdown -s -f -t 0” it forces all apps to shutdown without windows asking you if you want to go back and save or if a program is not turning off.
For a more forceful solution: pull the plug out slightly and then arc a screwdriver across the pins. Note: the screwdriver is consumed in this process.
Alternate method: pour mercury into an air vent on the computer.
Someone installed Windows server 2008 on one of our school computers. The shutdown option was missing. So I asked the teacher about it. He also had no idea how the hell to shut it down. Pressing the power button would just log-out the user.
For at least 2 years it did fine with forced shutdowns.
Our school started at 8:30 for a whole year, it sucked ass. Since it was high school, the classes going until 4:30 was impossible to manage with a job, I’d end up getting home around 12:00 just to get a normal shift in. Extracurriculars lasted until 6:00! No time to do homework. Waking up early is a part of life, considering we can’t just lengthen the day.
That’s like 1.5 hours longer than the school day here what the heck are yall in school for 8 hours straight for. If we started at 9 we’d be out at 3:30.
I dont see what the issue is, the kids have plenty of time to sleep, if they go to bed at 9 they can wake up at 6 with 8 hours of sleep and one hour to spare.
The point is that we now know this to be true. Rather than try to shoehorn our biological needs in whatever spare pockets of time we can scrounge, we should focus on better adapting our society and it’s systems to our needs at all stages of life.
there is no time period which teenagers are more able to fall asleep
This is unequivocally false. That’s literally a part of the circadian cycle. We can more easily fall asleep at particular spans of our 24 hour cycle. These spans shift depending on our age.
I have a hypothesis that adolescents staying up late and the elderly waking up early is an an evolutionary holdover from a time when someone needed to be awake to watch for lion attacks.
Tbf it’s not gonna fix anything, teens need a LOT of sleep and their rhythm stray to as far as 4-5AM, so even when starting at 9 they won’t get a lot of sleep
What in my opinion would work is reducing school times a bit and have morning and evening batches with different staffs and the student could choose which time they want to attend, the productivity would be much higher making the lower time period not a problem, tho i am pretty sure there might be some issues in this system remembers CGP grey’s rule
one solution would be longer school years (doesn't have to be a 'year-round' calendar) with maybe an hour or hour-and-a-half less class time per day. but that costs more in terms of food service, transportation, building upkeep, and so forth; plus extra child care burden on parents when most families don't have a 'stay at home' parent these days.
is this an americabrained comment? here in sweden, and this is not some urbanist paradise, kids can absolutely get to school on their own, whether that be walking biking or taking public transport.
it’s in fact bog standard for kids to take the bus to school in my town, to the point that you really want to avoid their travel times because buses will be jam packed with annoying children.
In some states it’s illegal to leave children of a certain age unsupervised. I think it’s 11 and below here? People do it anyway and no one’s looking to prosecute, but it’s a thing.
I can’t speak for every municipality in America, but the elementary schools around here do not allow kids to walk or bike to school. Either that, or every single parent, no exceptions, disallows it, because I’ve never seen a child that young coming into or leaving the school on their own. FFS, when I used to pick up my stepson, same car every day, the teacher had to put their hand on the roof and look me in the eye through a rolled-down window. That was literally the rule.
So like I said, “some of the younger ones aren’t mature enough or raised independently enough”. It sucks, but it’s true.
I have an 8 and 10-yo. They love my house because I allow them freedom. We went to a huge camping place to get married this weekend, local outfitter sort of thing. I gave them some instructions and warnings, cut them loose. Their helicopter mom would shit her pants if she knew they walked all over the woods alone.
(And of course we got the usual comment below crying about capitalism. I’m not sure if these people expect that no one works for a living, or they don’t do it on a coordinated schedule, or what.)
This is actually a good question that people may not read into very well, and the OP probably knows but didn’t indicate: Humans have a circidian rhthym which is a component that indicates when you naturally want to wake up and sleep. Thoughout our lives it changes at different points, but the important point is that for teenagers, they want to be up at night and also wake up later(almost the exact opposite of elderly people).
So trying to make students sleep at 10pm is very difficult vs having school start later to allow classes to better match their sleep cycle.
From an evolutionary point of view, I wonder if it has to do with giving them plenty of evening time for sexual activities. Especially since 30 used to be old age at one point in our past, so teenage years were the childbearing years…
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