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Kusimulkku, in Early bird

Could go to bed earlier

DrPop,

You should read why, studies found teenagers bodies(something outside of their control) fall asleep later.

Kusimulkku,

Wouldn’t hurt to link them, not just for me but for the thread in general

cm0002,

Does nobody who says this remember their days in highschool?

Let’s say a bedtime of 9

School gets out at 3

Allot about 2 hours for homework, it’s now 5

Allot an hour for dinner, it’s 6

Congratulations! A kid has a whopping 3 hours of free time per weekday to enjoy the last few years of childhood. These are even relatively conservative numbers, HW could easily stretch into 3-4+ hours with an AP class or a particularly HW heavy teacher leaving a whole hour of free time! How wonderful.

Oops wait, a strict parent(s) now adds an additional hour for household chores, ah well so much for free time.

Kusimulkku, (edited )

It’s unfortunate if they want to exchange sleep for free time but that’s up to them. I made that decision too.

AnxiousOtter,

The whole point is that they shouldn’t have to make that choice…

I also made that choice, so I know exactly how unhealthy it is to either 1) not have any time in the day to decompress and mentally prepare myself for the next day or 2) Revenge stay up so that I can do 1 but only get 5-6 hours of sleep.

Kusimulkku,

I’m just saying there is an option to those who want to sleep longer. Later starting time wouldn’t change things there. Shorter school days maybe.

AnxiousOtter, (edited )

Not having any free time in your life from ages 13-19 is not an “option”.

Kusimulkku, (edited )

You do seem a bit sleep deprived. I was talking about going to bed earlier, it’s an option for more sleep.

I’m just saying there is an option to those who want to sleep longer.

Kallioapina,
@Kallioapina@lemmy.world avatar

Älä jauha paskaa, sinäkin olit joskus teini.

Kusimulkku,

That’s why I know. I could’ve slept longer. Chose not to.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

the whole damn point is that teenagers can’t just choose to go to sleep earlier, all that would result in is them laying wide awake in bed and missing out on time to socialize.

Kusimulkku,

Is this a scientifically shown thing, that teenagers can’t go to bed early?

BenGFHC,

It's proven they can't wake up early. Hence the calls to push school back.

Kusimulkku,

That’ll just leave them more free time during the evening, but I guess if it fits their schedule better. Dunno if it would help

AnxiousOtter, (edited )

And I’m saying, with how dense an average teenager’s schedule is, going to sleep earlier results in them having no free time in their lives. It’s just sleep, school, homework, sleep, school, homework.

That’s no life. I know, I lived through it. What you’re suggesting is an illusion of choice. Not to mention that as a teenager I could get in bed at 9 and just stare at the wall until 3am. One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.

Kusimulkku,

It sucks, but as things are those are the options for them. Either less sleep and more free time or cutting back on free time.

One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.

Worked for us during camp. Took a while to get to the rhythm but worked. Dunno if it’s an actual thing that teenagers have to sleep on a schedule where they have to stay up late. If so, sucks, then they got no choice.

Kusimulkku,

It sucks, but as things are those are the options for them. Either less sleep and more free time or cutting back on free time.

One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.

Worked for us during camp. Took a while to get to the rhythm but worked. Dunno if it’s an actual thing that teenagers have to sleep on a schedule where they have to stay up late. If so, sucks, then they got no choice.

AnxiousOtter,

Your whole argument basically boils down to “tough titties”. I regret engaging.

Kusimulkku, (edited )

People keep thinking everything said online is an argument. I’m just telling you those are their options. It’s tough titties for them since they really can’t affect when their school starts.

Don’t be angry at me that that’s how it is. I didn’t make it so.

cm0002,

them since they really can’t affect when their school starts.

Don’t be angry at me that that’s how it is. I didn’t make it so.

Well duh. As adults, authority figures and parents that’s our job to push for these things and get it done for them. Just because we had to suffer through it doesn’t mean the status quo should remain the same. That’s the same BS “pull up the ladder behind me” attitude that’s affecting so many other things.

Kusimulkku,

What is the same "pull up the ladder behind me” attitude?

Kusimulkku,

It sucks, but as things are those are the options for them. Either less sleep and more free time or cutting back on free time.

One does not simply “go to bed” when your brain is simmering in hormones.

Worked for us during camp. Took a while to get to the rhythm but worked. Dunno if it’s an actual thing that teenagers have to sleep on a schedule where they have to stay up late. If so, sucks, then they got no choice.

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

lol … I had a nephew like that … at around the age of 12 to 15 a few years ago … I’d be visiting their family, then around 10, he’d yawn, make a big show and say he’s going to bed.

What the parents just ignored was that he was lying in bed with his ipad and phone until early, early in the morning watching movies, youtube or tv all night long and getting absolutely no sleep … wake up like a drunken sailor every morning and not pay attention at school.

The parents didn’t care because the kid wasn’t bothering them and he stayed quiet in his room … he could live their by himself on the wifi connection for all they cared. … high speed internet is a great baby sitter.

TheOakTree,

I did this a few times… with a gameboy/DS

Obi,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

There was no internet access in bed kind of thing when I was a teen and I still did the same thing, I just used books and the radio instead.

ExfilBravo, in Early bird

“How can we get your children indoctrinated into a 8a-5p work week if we have them go in later? We can’t have that!”

Darkard,

That’s half the problem though isn’t it. The parents have to work the 9 to 5 so that’s when the kids need to be out of the house as well.

Zorque,

Thing is, it's usually earlier, around 7:30am when I was in school, earlier if you wanted the breakfast they had.

onion,

Why? Can’t the kids leave after the parents?

MonsiuerPatEBrown, (edited )

But we keep our guns there! Well, our big heavy guns. But still cannon or not that is dangerous!

blanketswithsmallpox,

For healthy and capable children, sure.

scottywh,

Those kids typically aren’t out of the house during those hours in summer.

Taringano,

It’s very much a problem for parents.

electrogamerman,

True. School is useless.

/s

RIP_Cheems,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Too bad, cause I don’t want to do 9-5s.

TootSweet, in In it I'm actually successful and likable

Multiple long-running storylines to switch between when you get bored of one for a while.

TheFriendlyDickhead,

Day dream in the day dream

iheartneopets, in Help what do I do next

This is the most useless-lesbian shit I’ve ever seen lmao

TootSweet, in Oh, is that so?

Nice try, Skynet.

kubica, in Oh, is that so?
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

I remember one time that windows didn't want to give an option to shutdown without rebooting for updates. That was the solution.

Octopus1348,

Or a not so forceful solution: Go into the Ctrl + Alt + Del menu, and press the power button while holding down Ctrl. Now you can do an emergency shutdown.

kubica,
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

I wasn't in the mood for research, the only thing I had in mind was "just let me go to sleep".

Tangent5280,

I remember finding myself in the exact same situation recently. I was sleepier than I ever remember being and the shutdown screen showed an update pending. I compromised for an OFF monitor with the CPU doing whatever it needed to do.

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

And that’s how Skynet was born

Chakravanti, (edited )

Running closed source software then I see…

The birth is like Beacon 23 showed. The AI killed the writer and no one became in charge of said AI.

Only Open Source software can crack the CSAI. Kind of explains where AS’ char came from too.

mellejwz,

Windows + r, shutdown -s -t 0, enter

Vilian,

even the shutdown command is complicated ffs

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Be happy the shutdown procedure doesn’t start by opening regedit. I wouldn’t be surprised, to be honest.

T00l_shed,

I read that as rageedit.

Matriks404,

It only takes two parameters to shutdown, how is that complicated?

DosDude,
@DosDude@retrolemmy.com avatar

Not really

The -s stands for shutdown, with other ones being for hibernate, reboot etc.

The -t stands for time. By default it’s something like 30 seconds. Putting it on 0 makes it instant.

mellejwz,

Not really, it’s a pretty simple command that not everyone uses anyway. -s is for shutdown, -t for time. There are more complicated things in the Windows command line interface.

Octopus1348,

I think it would still update (if it didn’t give a normal shutdown option)

mellejwz,

Nope, I use it all the time if I’m going home from work. Works like a charm.

Sonicdemon86,

I use “shutdown -s -f -t 0” it forces all apps to shutdown without windows asking you if you want to go back and save or if a program is not turning off.

orangatang,
@orangatang@lemmy.world avatar

and with the mandatory “ssssh ssh ssh ssssshhhh” while holding down the power button.

teft,
@teft@startrek.website avatar

Not often I learn something new with windows. I never knew that option existed. Thanks!

QuinceDaPence, (edited )

For a more forceful solution: pull the plug out slightly and then arc a screwdriver across the pins. Note: the screwdriver is consumed in this process.

Alternate method: pour mercury into an air vent on the computer.

Kusimulkku,

Sounds like that would eventually fuck up the system.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Someone installed Windows server 2008 on one of our school computers. The shutdown option was missing. So I asked the teacher about it. He also had no idea how the hell to shut it down. Pressing the power button would just log-out the user.

For at least 2 years it did fine with forced shutdowns.

lseif,

thats what my friend does… the windows update somehow always breaks the system, requiring a windows reinstall, so he force shutsdown

Honytawk,

Why don’t they just disable the single problematic update?

lseif,

i hate to say this but average windows user

mercury, in Early bird

Our school started at 8:30 for a whole year, it sucked ass. Since it was high school, the classes going until 4:30 was impossible to manage with a job, I’d end up getting home around 12:00 just to get a normal shift in. Extracurriculars lasted until 6:00! No time to do homework. Waking up early is a part of life, considering we can’t just lengthen the day.

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Seems like the lesson is that students shouldn't need to have a job while going to school because they have enough to do already.

mercury,

That’s true! Personally I wanted money to buy a car. Public transport would have been nice. But it was a little bit self inflicted

TowardsTheFuture,

That’s like 1.5 hours longer than the school day here what the heck are yall in school for 8 hours straight for. If we started at 9 we’d be out at 3:30.

Knightfox,

Been a while since I was in school, but high school went from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm. The bus arrived at my house at 7:30 and dropped me off at 3:30.

The school day consisted of four 1.5 hour classes, we had three 10 min breaks between classes and a 30 min lunch.

Whisper06, in Too good to be true

5:37 every day like clockwork, doesn’t matter what time I go to bed. My alarm is at 6

Sorgan71, in Early bird

I dont see what the issue is, the kids have plenty of time to sleep, if they go to bed at 9 they can wake up at 6 with 8 hours of sleep and one hour to spare.

IWantToFuckSpez,

The biological clock of kids changes when they are teenagers, though. They tend to become night owls and thus they naturally feel tired at night.

Sorgan71,

The brain has adapted to be able to adapt to sleep patterns of all times of day. Kids stay up late because they don’t appreciate the value of sleep.

Furball,

Teens naturally go to bed later, and also need a lot more than 8 hours.

Sorgan71,

What time you go to bed is 100% up to you.

mriormro,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

What time you force yourself to go to bed versus what time your body naturally falls asleep are two different things in current society.

Circadian rhythms exist and fluctuate.

Sorgan71,

but they can be controlled

mriormro,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

The point is that we now know this to be true. Rather than try to shoehorn our biological needs in whatever spare pockets of time we can scrounge, we should focus on better adapting our society and it’s systems to our needs at all stages of life.

Your bootstraps mentality is counterproductive.

Sorgan71,

The point is that there is no time period which teenagers are more able to fall asleep. They can fall asleep as easily at 8 as they can at 10.

mriormro, (edited )
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

there is no time period which teenagers are more able to fall asleep

This is unequivocally false. That’s literally a part of the circadian cycle. We can more easily fall asleep at particular spans of our 24 hour cycle. These spans shift depending on our age.

Specifically concerning sleep patterns in adolescents and teenagers, see here: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19546564/

Sidhean,

I can’t believe Sorgan71 was sitting on the cure to insomnia this whole time! When we go to bed is 100% up to us, of course! :3

Sorgan71,

this has nothing to do with insomnia

Semi-Hemi-Demigod, in Early bird
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

I have a hypothesis that adolescents staying up late and the elderly waking up early is an an evolutionary holdover from a time when someone needed to be awake to watch for lion attacks.

someguy3,

That’s an actual theory afaik.

iamjackflack, in Early bird

Missed title opportunity “Pinky Up”

fastandcurious, (edited ) in Early bird

Tbf it’s not gonna fix anything, teens need a LOT of sleep and their rhythm stray to as far as 4-5AM, so even when starting at 9 they won’t get a lot of sleep

What in my opinion would work is reducing school times a bit and have morning and evening batches with different staffs and the student could choose which time they want to attend, the productivity would be much higher making the lower time period not a problem, tho i am pretty sure there might be some issues in this system remembers CGP grey’s rule

ares35,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

one solution would be longer school years (doesn't have to be a 'year-round' calendar) with maybe an hour or hour-and-a-half less class time per day. but that costs more in terms of food service, transportation, building upkeep, and so forth; plus extra child care burden on parents when most families don't have a 'stay at home' parent these days.

Kase, (edited )

remembers CGP grey’s rule

Hexagons are the bestagons?

ealecc,
@ealecc@sopuli.xyz avatar

Better than the restagons?

FarmTaco,

I know, instead of not paying teachers lets have twice as many teachers/teachers on call all day, and still not pay them.

shalafi, in Early bird

Beginning later is a non-starter. Parents gotta get to work.

Could work for high school, but some of the younger ones aren’t mature enough or raised independently enough, so there’s that.

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Maybe society could prioritize children over capitalism?

devfuuu,

That’s insane talk, you could be burned at the central square.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

you mean the parking lot of the central square plaza park shopping centre?

someguy3,

I don’t get this, I was always responsible to get myself up and to school. I can’t imagine kids not being able to do this.

shalafi,

And I walked or biked to my elementary school every day in the 70’s. Many kids are raised very differently now, hence my comment.

I’m working to make my small children independent, their mother, my-ex wife, is working to keep them dependent.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

is this an americabrained comment? here in sweden, and this is not some urbanist paradise, kids can absolutely get to school on their own, whether that be walking biking or taking public transport.

it’s in fact bog standard for kids to take the bus to school in my town, to the point that you really want to avoid their travel times because buses will be jam packed with annoying children.

shalafi,

Yep, America all right. Couple of things:

  • In some states it’s illegal to leave children of a certain age unsupervised. I think it’s 11 and below here? People do it anyway and no one’s looking to prosecute, but it’s a thing.
  • I can’t speak for every municipality in America, but the elementary schools around here do not allow kids to walk or bike to school. Either that, or every single parent, no exceptions, disallows it, because I’ve never seen a child that young coming into or leaving the school on their own. FFS, when I used to pick up my stepson, same car every day, the teacher had to put their hand on the roof and look me in the eye through a rolled-down window. That was literally the rule.

So like I said, “some of the younger ones aren’t mature enough or raised independently enough”. It sucks, but it’s true.

I have an 8 and 10-yo. They love my house because I allow them freedom. We went to a huge camping place to get married this weekend, local outfitter sort of thing. I gave them some instructions and warnings, cut them loose. Their helicopter mom would shit her pants if she knew they walked all over the woods alone.

(And of course we got the usual comment below crying about capitalism. I’m not sure if these people expect that no one works for a living, or they don’t do it on a coordinated schedule, or what.)

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

So the sleepy teens should move to Sweden, problem solved!

scottywh,

First off, the meme is specifically about high schoolers

Second, parents needing to be at work doesn’t seem to be an issue in summer… They’ll figure it out.

Sibbo, in Early bird

Why not just go to bed earlier?

Habahnow, (edited )

This is actually a good question that people may not read into very well, and the OP probably knows but didn’t indicate: Humans have a circidian rhthym which is a component that indicates when you naturally want to wake up and sleep. Thoughout our lives it changes at different points, but the important point is that for teenagers, they want to be up at night and also wake up later(almost the exact opposite of elderly people).

So trying to make students sleep at 10pm is very difficult vs having school start later to allow classes to better match their sleep cycle.

harry_balzac,

Additionally, many people who have been well and truly diagnosed with ADHD also experience Delayed Circadian Rhythm which makes them into night owls.

School districts that have shifted to a later start, especially for 12 and up (age wise), have seen improvements in attendance, behavior, and grades.

DannyMac,
@DannyMac@lemmy.world avatar

From an evolutionary point of view, I wonder if it has to do with giving them plenty of evening time for sexual activities. Especially since 30 used to be old age at one point in our past, so teenage years were the childbearing years…

Exusia, in Hes very sophisticated
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

@theKalash this one is not a Dinosaur, he is my plumber

theKalash,

Finding a good handyman has really become hard.

thefartographer,

I’m sorry, I can’t pay the bill… Maybe we can find some… other form of payment?

768,

Could you eggsternalise this discussion?

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