None of those guys have a healthy hard-worker or warrior body. They all have a dehydrated, 1% body fat gym bro body, just like Hollywood wants us to believe a healthy man looks like.
actually none of them look particularly dehydrated. They just look like they’re straight from a good pump. Dehydrated would leave them very veiny, like, prominently.
I remember Hugh Jackman specifically talked about it in an interview as part of why he wanted to stop being wolverine. He was getting tired of the unhealthy regime of dehydrating to look as clean cut as possible.
I myself managed this, and knew a bunch of folks that also did, about 15 or so years ago (trying to get back into it, however my health took a few turns since then). Then again I was taking supplements, such as Jack3D at the time (which has been banned for some time since), and wonder if those contributed to it.
Very true, in my experience lots of women like the idea of strength from big muscles but don’t really care to see the striated muscle fibers in a cut look. Hell some are turned off by the vasculature of my hands.
EDIT: Guys in comic books are ripped for the dudes reading them. I imagine the same is true for movie stars.
Nah, they’ll all live to 70s-80s. Cause in addition to having access to these body-destroying drugs, they also have access to cutting edge medicine, and let me tell you, medicine ain’t what it was like in the 80s. We have solved lots of the problems these people will face due to these drugs. Sure, they’ll have a worse quality of life than if they never took them but we can make sure they survive. The rich have it good coming and going.
Im gonna ask you. What exactly is the problem with that?
I can walk into a plastic surgeon and talk about how I dont like my eyes/ears/nose/lips/etc and they will take a fucking scalpel and cut me up. I can get hair implants, butt implants, pec implants. I could eat until I have to waddle into a doctors office to be offered a veritable menu of weight loss drugs and invasive surgeries. If I were a woman and pound weight loss drugs, engage in extreme dieting and get some “work done” the general attitude will be “Yass Queen, live your best life!” and not to be transphobic (Its not coming from that place, think what you want) but I could even wholeheartedly believe that my entire gender is wrong and recieve surgeries, hormones and therapies to change that.
But because I’m a grown man in good shape who works out 6 days a week, despite their being an extensive list of drugs and compounds that can relatively safely* give me the body I’d love to have I’m not allowed to have them because they are “performance enhancing” like that isnt the whole reason I want them. I am told, that even with strict medical supervision, bloodwork and other support I’m straight up not allowed. People act like the recipe isnt “Steroids… and a FUCKLOAD OF WORK”
I don’t think it’s great that boys are comparing themselves to these guys, buy I agree that you should be allowed to do whatever you want to your body.
Its like eating disorders or extreme dieting and modelling. The difference with PEDs is the lies, they are actors not athletes. Would it be more or less helpful to young men wanting to look like that to know the truth. “This took tens of thousands of dollars in trainers, dieticians and pharmaceuticals and working out was basically my job for 6 whole months” at least putting it in a realistic frame of reference.
Im gonna ask you. What exactly is the problem with that?
One example of a problem is the fact that the majority of them do not openly talk about it. In fact it’s the opposite, they deny taking PEDs and claim it’s all hard work and that anybody can achieve it.
A more specific example is Chris Hemsworth who sells training programs that claim to give you his physique. Don’t you see the problem with this?
I do agree with you that it if people want to use it they should, under medical supervision and with full understanding of the risks and commitment they bring. My limited understanding of using exogenous hormones is that your body will lose the ability to properly make them and one is bound to taking them for life.
I see a problem with people lying about it, especially if they are profiting off the lie or using it to gain an unfair advantage in sports. The fact that they are illegal and you have to get them underground exacerbates the problem. Its not on your medical history, theres no official records of you being on them so you can lie.
The issue I have is theres a social distain towards steroids that seems unfair when compared to all the other things I listed. I’m not ashamed to tell you that I’m not on steroids, but only because I dont have reliable access to them. Because they are extremely illegal in Australia and because we are an island nation hard to smuggle in and therefore HORRIBLY expensive. If I could have my doctor manage a sensibly dosed regime, Id start tomorrow and I wouldnt lie for a second about it.
You’re half right about the hormones, you experience supression when coming off a cycle thats pretty much directly proportional to your dosage and duration when on steroids. Which is why Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is a must, suplements that help rebalance your hormones and bring testosterone production back up.
The problem with them being illicit and distained is that theres nothing stopping people from just setting their own insane dosages, running terrible stacks (multiple different drugs/compounds), not doing adequate PCT and generally making up their own rules, leading to bad outcomes.
I agree with you that the stigma around them is not a net positive. Adults should be able to use tools available, in a safe way and if they don’t harm others in the process. Legalizing their use would also minimize problems from illegal trade.
Thanks for the info on the PCT, was not aware. The examples I read were extreme, were the person had been using for years and in high doses so they were effectively dependent on them.
Is there anybody who looks just as good & big as say Hemsworth but who has a third party publicly release medical/drug tests? (So, any massive but proven clean dudes out there?)
Hard to believe EVERY giant is taking big risks with drugs!
Yeah, I just wish it weren’t so taboo. It would be great if folks could just be honest so you could get a better idea of—
-This is the physique that is generally achievable for someone of my size who is natty -This is the physique that is generally achievable for someone of my size with just Cyp -This is what I can achieve with tren
This feels like “I’m 14 and this is deep” content.
It’s obvious that all Hollywood, social media and advertising models are not the average person. Are there really people that think men would be exempt from this? I doubt many.
i feel we have different definitons of dad bod, it doesn’t mean beer belly lol
it just means not having a sixpack and being able to see every single muscle fibre, it’s what henry cavill looks like when he isn’t filming a movie where he needs chiseled abs.
I’m talking about that as well. Just because it’s Henry Cavill’s dad bod doesn’t mean I would want to watch a movie where Superman’s physique is that of a normal person.
As a woman it took 15 years before I found out what was wrong, at the time of finally seeing someone about it they said this was an average amount of time it takes to get help.
I hope you are too! My “advantage” was dating a trans person at the time, so it was a subject that came up relatively often. Just never considered a cis man having to deal with it.
It’s a lot of things. It’s a diet so strict and regimented it controls your life, same for exercise, and then they dehydrate for days. Is the water why random person on Lemmy doesn’t look like that? No, that’s because nobody looks like that unless it’s their job to look like that or it’s their only hobby or they have serious mental health issues pushing them that way. But it is dangerous for most people to even try because yeah it involves a lot of risky decisions and they don’t even look like that all the time
You don’t have to live up to Hollywood standards, you just have to stop holding everyone else up to Hollywood standards. Just look at day time talk shows, those people have no problem finding a partner, and the only reason they end up on those shows is because they have no sense of shame.
Same women and men who criticize those unrealistic overdosed body types, would either wet their pants if one of those man proposed to them, or are wishing to achieve those results themselves. you can’t resist animalistic urges. you won’t believe the amount of gyms I’ve seen pop up in my city since the arrival of Instagram almost a 3000% increase. and everyone you talk to has become a protein intake expert.
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