It’s just another form of “acceptable” racism. I was trying to express that to someone last week but they were so hung up on the fact that racism is for humans so it’s not possible to use that word about animals and different dogs were bred for different things so that makes the bigotry “okay”
One of the reasons english and probably most languages are so beautiful is because you can have an imagination about it and say things that have never been said but people will still understand what you meant. Unless they’re a cunt.
Don´t get me wrong, it’s humans in the first place who make dogs dangerous and hating any breed is stupid. People who do that have a one sided view. However, let’s be real, you have a one sided view too, just a positive one. The bad name of certain breeds has reasons, like the fact that they have been bred to fight and to max out biting power and to have an instinct to not let go when biting. I know Pitbulls are not the breed with the highest bite force but they are still in the top 10.
Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head.
Some pit bulls were selected and bred for their fighting ability.
No matter how sweet your individual Pitbull might be after a loving upbringing, many years of breeding with such goals definitely still affect the gene pool and like it or not, instinctive behavior, especially in stressful situations. Then there is the problem of bad people who get dogs as weapons and abuse them, turning them aggressive.
You have to be positive while wading through shit if you don’t want to drown. I understand everything you said, but your first sentence is all I’m trying to get across. It’s shitty fucking people, not dogs.
Edit: To your main point you were trying to get across to me; dogs can be trained to not act on their aggressive instincts like prey drive. So I still don’t see how an aggressive dog wouldn’t be it’s owners fault.
Nice that we agree that it´s generally always the owners fault if something goes wrong but it´s also a fact that different dog breeds have different aggression potentials and thereby are more or less difficult to train and control. So choosing a dog breed that is not more aggressive than necessary is also part of the owners responsibility. I for myself would never choose a breed that has been bred to fight, bite and not let go, as a family dog. Instead I would choose a Bernese for example, because they have been bred into the opposite direction, to protect and not to fight, to bark and not to bite, which results in a very calm and gentle general behaviour.
💯. If you’re a shitty trainer you should get a golden retriever instead of a Pit. But there are people who know what they’re doing and those people have the sweetest dogs you could ever meet and they happen to be pits. Therefore all the hate for one specific breed is idiotic, unfair and should be directed towards people not innocent creatures that we basically created. They are our responsibility.
Therefore all the hate for one specific breed is idiotic, unfair and should be directed towards people not innocent creatures that we basically created.
That is exactly what I wrote earlier, nice that we agree in this point.
If you’re a shitty trainer you should get a golden retriever instead of a Pit.
Hard disagree here, shitty trainers should not get any dog imo.
In an ideal world yes, they shouldn’t get any dog. But they will, so getting a Pit is significantly more dangerous than a golden because they are much easier to train.
Alright, it felt like you were trying to disagree with me even though what I said in the first place was it depends on the dogs owner. But I might have just been defensive because I’m used to my takes being challenged on Lemmy. But I see now that you were just expanding on what I already said. Cheers
It wasn’t different from what I said though, you just spelled out the reasons why what I said makes sense. We both came to the conclusion that it’s in the owner not the dog, you just showed your work
Assholes will get big dogs, abuse ignore and isolate them, then act surprised when they act unpredictably.
Breed specific legislation isn’t the answer. The answer is for mandatory training courses predating dog ownership. All dog ownership too. Little dogs can be assholes too.
Yeah, for real. Pitbulls are the common target because they’re the “vicious dog”. It’s a self-fullfilling prophecy. Talk about how pitbulls are vicious man-killers, people who want vicious man-killers buy them and train them to be vicious man-killers, pitbulls become vicious man-killers. Meanwhile, the people who want a family dog don’t get pitbulls because, well, they’re “vicious man-killers”. The result is that statistics get skewed in favor of the “vicious man-killer” status, leading to people seeing the breed as nothing more than vicious man-killers.
That combined with the pseudoscience that was spewed by Merritt Clifton, that everyone still quotes today, and you’ve got yourself some statistical issues.
I knew someone who had a badly behaved dog, it attacked their partner so they put it down.
A few weeks later “I’m getting another one and I’m going to train it myself” Meaning they just won’t train it, lost their shit when someone called them out as a dog killer. People don’t deserve animals, people suck.
I just really don’t know how the mandatory training sessions doesn’t solve the problem for everyone.
People who are ACTUALLY dedicated to raising these dogs will still get them. Those who would end up as shitty owners won’t bother with the hassle.
Dogs get a better owner; owners get a better dog. Win-win all around.
I grew up with Rottweilers, which were the “pitbulls” of the 90s. I have had 2 Dobermans, one sleeping next to me right now, and they were the “pitbulls” of the 80s.
I fail to see how extermination is the answer when we have other methods available.
It’s weird how people insist that a certain breeed needs to be forced to keep existing. Many dog breeds no longer exist. In fact you can argue many breeds have died off and replaced with abominations.
Wiping out? Why keep breeding something humans created in the first place. It’s cruel to them and humans. Just like pugs and a bunch of other breeds that are cruel. Dogs are a human creation and humanity shoukd take responsibility and stop breeding them. Mutts are as close as natural and stable as you’re gonna get.
I agree from both an animal welfare and public safety perspective that we need far stricter laws and regulations on dog ownership in general. But also I also think that some breeds are inherently more dangerous than others. For the American Bully XL in particular, we are talking a new pitbull-adjacent breed which has been bred for both aggression, intimidation and maximum muscle mass, both to skirt past existing legislation that bans American Pit Bulls, but also because all these traits appeal to the kind of irresponsible owners that just want an attack dog that looks 'aard as fuck.
We’re also deluding ourselves when we claim that a dog bred to resemble the canine equivalent of Brock Lesnar is a nanny dog and wouldn’t harm a fly, when in actuality losing control of a 145 lb jacked beast has even led to grown adults being mauled to death.
Behavior is influenced by genetics as well as environment. Certain individual animals are more genetically predisposed towards violence than others. Certain breeds of particular species tend to have more of these individuals than others. So, it is possible to have a breed that is violent in that: if you take a random sample of that breed where the individuals are subjected to an identical rearing process more of those individuals will be more violent than average than the average breed has individuals who are more violent than average. (I realize that sentence is probably difficult to digest, but I’m not going to spend 20 more minutes working on this).
Given the data that we have on pit bulls, I think they’re a violent breed. Not all pit bulls are violent, but a pit bull is more likely to be violent than a golden retriever when the two are raised in the same environment.
Using statistics without context is not right. Especially when talking about people or other living things that have unique personalities and life experiences.
But you can train a dog to not act on their instinctual prey drive. Pitbulls are way more likely to be abused than golden retrievers so I don’t see how your point is relevant. Why are pitbulls the problem instead of shitty dog owners?
Edit: you can be damn sure if a golden retriever or any dog grew up the way violent pitbulls grow up, they would be just as violent. Golden retrievers are easier to train though, I’ll give you that.
This was simplified to “You are what you eat” as part of the agreement reached at the Council of Constance to reunify the church after the Western Schism of 1378.
I just got fucked over repeatedly when I was trying to make money by people flying around with those rocket bikes. I spent like 12 hours total trying to play online and got nowhere. That was starting with a free business I had gotten somehow. Fuck GTAO.
I mean true, not everyone knows everything, although I would have said that is something almost everyone knows, like the first question at Who wants to be a millionaire. But I mean it’s fine if someone doesn’t know that, it was just a bit baffling to me at first.
Nice. Nice. Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol (one of the ways traffic moves over a network). Köchel Catalogue, named after the dude that first catalogued Mozarts work. International air transport association.
Australian sign language Something about measuring the depth of the ocean Internet communication protocol What? International air transport association
For the mozart one, i always thought it was some german word for counting… it is not. K or KV stands for the name of someone who started cataloging mozarts repertoir in composition order. So it stands for Köchel Verzeichnis (Köchel catalogue) or just Köchel…
So now that I know that the K stands for a random dude, i prefer Bach’s numbering BWV, which stands for Bachswerkeverzeichnis or catalogue of baches works or compositions
No one is born knowing what those letters stand for. In fact, people don’t even know what letters or words are when they are born. So obviously there must be a point in each person’s life when they go from not knowing to knowing. That will happen at different time for different people, depending on who they talk to and what their interests are.
If you want to better understand how someone can not know what bdsm stands for, perhaps you should just reflect on something you’ve learnt recently. Anything at all. Just think about how you didn’t know it, but now you do. That’s how to works.
Lol … Actually thinking that he paid for anything.
He probably ordered it from the nearest McDonald’s and just demanded it all because he’s president, promised them they’d get paid … then never thought of them again.
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