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Pharmacokinetics, in I will rue the day this inevitably happens.
@Pharmacokinetics@lemmy.world avatar

I will cause a resonance cascade on Valve HQ if that ever happens.

hakunawazo, (edited ) in Stats

He didn’t dare talk to Razek about an average of one hand. Otherwise the medics would have been very busy.

MythTheWolf, (edited ) in Recursive authentication
@MythTheWolf@bitforged.space avatar

∞-FA

bloubz, in Recursive authentication

I have found that Microsoft has the worst authentication on the planet. From weird, nightmarish loops and processes, to non propagated password changes. Not talking about having multiple accounts etc…

The worst of the worst for me was Atlassian login with Microsoft SSO

EdanGrey, in Recursive authentication

I had this exact problem when I had to install this. Ridiculous

qaz,

You’d think such an important application would be properly tested, right?

ComradePedro, in Recursive authentication
@ComradePedro@lemmy.ml avatar

Aegis Authenticator is the best 🏆

onlyfans,

Thank you, how about for iOS users?

ComradePedro,
@ComradePedro@lemmy.ml avatar

Just switch to Android/AOSP lol I’ve heard good things about Raivo Authenticator for Apple devices, although I’ve never used it myself.

venji10,

Buy a different phone… Apple is terrible in so many ways

theo,

Unfortunately, Microsoft will often force their own 2FA app when logging in to 365.

LemmyIsFantastic,

No they don’t. That’s a configuration setting.

ParetoOptimalDev,

If your admins change the default away from Authenticator only they see bright red “MS 365 insecure” banners.

So… Its a dark pattern that technically allows other options.

dayvid,

TOTP codes can be phished. Technically FIDO2 keys like Yubikeys are one of the only phishing-resistant authenticators out there now, because they’re tied to the official domain of the real site and won’t authenticate to a fake.

Passkeys are similarly phishing resistant, and Microsoft Authenticator will basically have passkey support added early this year. For now it’s actually not phishing resistant! Though it’s somewhat better than TOTP.

The issue is that phishing resistance is important but it doesn’t stop session stealing (someone getting ahold of the cookie on your computer that confirms you’re signed in and have done MFA). But it does make it harder to steal sessions because phishing resistance means attackers need to get it from your computer instead of intercepting a fake login.

Just a little technical backstory around why admins are needing to lock down auth methods in more ways as attacks become more sneaky and the more sophisticated attacks become automated and easier and thus more frequent.

ParetoOptimalDev,

I would use a yubikey if Microsoft let me :)

Our admin tried allowing me to but there were errors.

bdonvr,

Not true, I’ve always used Authy.

ParetoOptimalDev,

It became true in the past 6 months for me after always using Aegis.

pineapplelover,

Unless your organization forces specifically microsoft authenticator, then yeah. However, for several schools, that’s never been an issue, there should be an option to use a third party authenticator in small text.

Andrew15_5, (edited ) in Recursive authentication
@Andrew15_5@mander.xyz avatar

Wait, is this really possible? With Steam you still will be able to access TOPT in the mobile app if you need to log in the same app, at least that’s how it worked.

I mean, there are probably one time passwords that go with some of accounts when using F2A. But I don’t care about Microsoft account either way.

qaz,

Yeah, I already went to IT several times to ask them to forcibly reset it. I’m WFH now, so I’ll have to pay them another visit on Monday.

MMNT, in Recursive authentication

I got FreeOTP from F-droid. Works like a charm.

ryannathans,

Isn’t that discontinued? I just installed aegis from fdroid

qaz,

I usually use Bitwarden myself, but the company uses Microsoft Authenticator.

SeedyOne,

I feel your pain

saltesc,

I use it for all of my work accounts. When it gives me troubles, I put my feet up.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Aegis here

AVincentInSpace,

Secur user checking in

CyberEgg,

I recommend Aegis, but I guess it’s a matter of taste

Godric, in God bless the imperial system and bald eagles 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (oil too)
prunerye, in I will rue the day this inevitably happens.

Valve is a company whose profit model is based on DRM. They were never your friend. Thanks for proton, though.

cyberpunk007,

But this far they haven’t abused that like other organizations.

prunerye,

But… the abuse is literally baked into my original comment. DRM. DRM is the abuse. Just because you’re used to it doesn’t mean that it was ever ok.

cyberpunk007,

Ya that’s true, but other orgs get the market share and start abusing it in other ways. Ad injection. Price hikes. Etc.

Johanno,

Yet

TexMexBazooka, in God bless the imperial system and bald eagles 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (oil too)

Removed by moderator 🎉 😊 🤗

TexMexBazooka,

I don’t even remember what this comment was but it must’ve been good

blind3rdeye, in I will rue the day this inevitably happens.

Yesterday I bought something on Steam for the first time in many years. (I have a large Steam library, but in recent years I’ve been getting games from gog and itch instead.)

Since I hadn’t bought from Steam in a long time I figured I should read the “Steam Subscriber agreement” that you have to click to accept when you buy something. Let me just say now, the agreement is a very very bad deal for customers.

It goes to great lengths to make it very clear that you don’t own anything. You aren’t buying anything, you have no essentially rights. You are simply paying for a license subscription to use software with various conditions. Valve is able to end your subscription with no refund if you break the agreement. And the best bit:

Furthermore, Valve may amend this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) unilaterally at any time in its sole discretion.

So by using Steam we’re putting a lot of trust in Valve; because the ‘agreement’ basically says they can do whatever they want, any time they want, for any reason they want.

Steam is quite good. I particularly appreciate their Linux support. But they are clearly using their position of dominance to make people agree to unfavourable terms. At the moment, things are fine. But make no mistake - when you use Steam, Valve has all the power. They can screw people over whenever they choose to.

With all that in mind, buying DRM free is better if you want to still have access to the software when a company decides to change direction for whatever reason.

AVincentInSpace,

Very good point. Just because Valve hasn’t screwed us over yet is no excuse for assuming they never will.

pancakes,
@pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not to say it won’t happen, but if a corporation tried to mess with steam libraries, it would raise hell like nothing the internet has ever seen.

AVincentInSpace, (edited )

Yeah? And what would that achieve? What the hell are gamers gonna do?

For God’s sake, we couldn’t even keep a protest going on Reddit because people were afraid of the sunk costs. People give Valve money.

Mango,

Steam effectively makes buying games itself count as MTX. They’re making your Steam library no different from your MMO inventory.

That said, I’m addicted.

daniskarma,

There’s anothee way to keep having access to software no matter what companies do.

I have the generic steam crack well saved in my computer in case the decide to pull the plug.

PotatoKat,

Very good idea, I gotta look into that

kariboka,

How you do it?

pkpenguin,

Doesn’t matter, Steam offers DRM free games. Steam DRM is opt-in and can be broken by anyone in seconds, and games with other DRM have a big glowing warning on their store page. You give money to Steam for their servers that support multiplayer, their workshop, seamless patching, user forums, image hosting, controller support, Proton for Linux, SteamDB, easy multiplayer via the friends interface, achievement tracking, and a large majority cut to the developers. Your complaints apply to basically every storefront, the only way you’ll own data is by having it on your own disk which Steam lets you do.

Liz,

Oh, uh, hello. How does one break this DRM, out of curiosity?

pkpenguin,

Depends on the game, sometimes you can just delete the steam dll next to the executable, others require a steam emulator which amounts to just dropping in a spoofed steam dll. I think the preferred emulator these days is Goldberg steam emu on gitlab.

PotatoKat,

If you have Baldur’s Gate 3 you can boot it up from the Larian Launcher even if Steam is closed.

UnderwaterSwift,

It’s to keep people from doing stuff like requiring refunds or court cases for being banned, VAC or otherwise. To make some things not technically gambling, etc.

Valve is the paragon of gamers. They offer a great portal, free no bs family shares, pressure companies into sales on legacy software. Push VR from meme status (the oculus is even originally stolen valve tech look it up). Steam stream, steam controller, steam deck emulation of Nintendo switch, Jesus it’s endless.

And still there are people like you out here who have to lead with complaints about a bunch of text which everyone knows is exclusively for legal piss matches against companies and troublemakers.

I don’t know how you can be pleased by anything. Isn’t your life tiring living the life of a zealot? Or do you have just an unsatisfiable need to complain?

sfgifz,

The company may be nice now and it’s okay to be happy with them, but that doesn’t mean you attack the personality of someone for pointing out factual information written in your beloved companies agreements.

madcaesar,

I will never ever understand how a normal person can ever worship / love a corporation… It has to be some kind of mental illness.

Corporations DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU! Sooner or later they will fuck you unless you are constantly pushing back against them and keeping them on their toes. Relaxing, just becuase Steam is good right now, is not a option.

AVincentInSpace,

Again, just because Valve hasn’t screwed us over yet is no excuse for assuming they never will.

blind3rdeye,

I don’t know how you can be pleased by anything. Isn’t your life tiring living the life of a zealot? Or do you have just an unsatisfiable need to complain?

wtf man. Did someone shit in your breakfast cereal or something?

UnderwaterSwift,

You’re the one getting mad at steam for things they could “maybe” do in the future. Stop incepting yourself with fantasy and then posting about it. “Hey guys you won’t BELIEVE what’s in this EULA” “Did you know TECHNICALLY valve could just do whatever they want?!?”

From your post history you’re older, you know EULAs are so ignored across the board that they’re there for entirely legal reasons. Oh yeah a company that has done all this good, (for you especially, without valve it’s safe to say there would be ZERO Linux gaming support like there is now.) But we better be ready for something that’s just completely antithetical to their history of actions because of some creative writing episode you’ve dreamed up. Corporations are bad capitalism is bad, open software and Linux gaming only please. No rights, no AAA just indie titles and slow burn, artistically crafted projects of love.

You’re like the vegans of computer science you’re insufferable.

leave_it_blank,

Had a bad day?

Theharpyeagle, (edited )

People probably felt the same way Unity’s relatively fair licensing terms, or D&D’s license. They’ve rolled back now, but it’s common for companies to push this sort of thing, roll back, and then slowly introduce the same thing.

The point is not to avoid Steam, but to keep an eye out for scummy moves because no entity operating for profit is immune to temptation. Be ready to abandon ship should the time come or you’ll be the one left holding the bag.

kungen,

Not saying that I disagree, but it has basically always been written like that…

cows_are_underrated,

Yeah, but that’s not a reason that something is bad. As pointed out. Buying DRM free is the only possibility to really own the games you purchased.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

NoOoOoO. You’re not allowed to bad mouth Steam here. Everything steam does is amazing. Steam is nothing like those filthy console companies. Steam good guys. Steam forever friend

MolochAlter,

That’s why they have 100+ upvotes, right.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

My bad. Forgot to add the /s

Tartas1995,

To be fair, if you would own it, they would have a very different legal framework to be working in. Would they be legally allowed to shut down their servers? Or would they have to run the company until bankruptcy, so maybe decades after steam stopped being profitable? Their product is a service based on. They want the service to be able to be ended. If you buy the games like you do on steam and you own them, can they end it?

GreyEyedGhost,

Apparently you like to read. Open the EULA for basically any commercial software (not FOSS or open source, costs money, isn’t made by some small company, basically the same criteria as >90% of the games on Steam) and you are going to learn 2 things very quickly. First, all of them are just a license to use, and second, if there are patches or an online component you will have at least as many caveats and restrictions as what is included in the Steam TOS.

Now, I’m not saying you’re wrong or that I’m okay with this situation (I look for open source, free, then paid for all the software that lets me do whatever it is I’m trying to do), but the situation with Steam is very typical.

blind3rdeye, (edited )

Terms like that matters more for some services than for others. For something like Spotify or Netflix, if they terminate the agreement it doesn’t matter much. You lose access, but there was no accumulated value. So you can just go somewhere with only minor inconvenience. Whereas on Steam, if they terminate the agreement then you could lose decades worth of accumulated games from your library - which could be very valuable. So that’s a big difference.

Now, it’s unlikely that Steam will just press delete on everyone’s account. But we can imagine a very profit-hungry leader taking over Steam and deciding to put the squeeze on their vast user-base. There are many things they could do; such as adding ads, requiring ‘consent’ to include spyware on your computer, or charging additional fees. Long term users would not be in a position to refuse these things, because their Steam library is being held as collateral.

If you trust that Steam is never going to give you up, and never going to let you down, etc. Then there is no problem. Things are currently going fine, and they may continue to be fine for a very long time. It’s just a matter of trust, and power, and hedging.

GreyEyedGhost,

The thing here is, people will talk and if there are any serious issues, a lot of people, myself included, will have no moral objection to pirating the games they already paid for access to. And in some jurisdictions, it won’t even be illegal. Like with most enshittification situations, it isn’t going to be there one day and gone the next, so liberating your games won’t be overly difficult.

The big gotcha will be online multi-player games. If you don’t have a server, the client doesn’t matter.

callyral, in God bless the imperial system and bald eagles 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (oil too)
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

North Korea, a terrible country with dictatorship, nuclear weapons and no democracy… but hey they have subway stations!

platypus_plumba,

That’s the point of the image. Even NK figured out train stations. I’m not even sure if that’s true, just pointing out what OP meant with the image.

TankieTanuki, in God bless the imperial system and bald eagles 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (oil too)

Moscow’s is nice too (and we know whom to thank for that).

sooper_dooper_roofer,

why do actual communist planned economy nations have such great train stations (and aesthetics in general)

7bicycles,

Car infrastructure is just, and I do mean this seriously, unimaginably expensive. If you do not priotize the car you have such a shitton of money left over you can just put like, chandeliers in your metro stations.

sooper_dooper_roofer,

was the USSR very low on car infrastructure? I honestly don’t know so I’m asking (I know they had great train stations too)

7bicycles,

Late stage, no, not so much, earlier stages? Yeah, absolutely, especially compared to like the west

Daxtron2, in God bless the imperial system and bald eagles 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (oil too)

Talk about cherry picking lmao

TankieTanuki,

Memes can pick few a cherries, as a treat.

axont,

There’s the Oculus stattion in NYC which is ok, but I hate the building it’s connected to. It’s one of only a handful of nice stations though. Half of the NYC metro looks like Silent Hill.

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