Okay, but what if some billionaire bought all the issues? Would that leave us with no issues because the billionaire paid to have them offloaded onto them, or low-quality issues because the billionaire now hogs all the premium paid issues?
Why is the purple hair causing so many folks to get hung up on this meme calling out the Capitalists that pit the Prolitariat against one anothet in order to distract them from the class war being waged against them? Yall are automatically assuming that purple hair makes the person’s takes similar to your own. Like wtf?
It is also meant to be from the point of view of the Capitalist ruling class, who very much dont care about social or political issues, and view them the same as long as they dont threaten their ability to continue to grow their wealth and power.
They most certainly are not equivalent, but both are actively defending the Capitalist Status quo by not acknowledgeing that they are both fundamentally a part of the same Class. This meme is very much supposed to be a gross oversimplification to point out that Capitalists are the greater evil. Fascism must be fought and I will vote for a liberal to keep mask off fascism out of office, but I wont stop trying to point out how culture war issues are being actively used to misdirect the Prolitariats palpable wrath. Because arguing from the point of morality aint doing jack shit to change anyones minds on the right. Pointing out how they have been actively taken advantage of by the Burgouis to maintain power feels like the only way to stop the rising tide of fascism from a philosophical standpoint outside of open conflict.
Like the most scene chick I knew in high school grew up to be a prolife tRumper, who still dyes her hair a different color every couple of months. Y’all get way too hung up in optics. Fr fr.
Nah fam, race and social issues VERY much matter to me, but we must contexualize them as issues being used to divide the Prolitariat who at the very root of the matter have very similar goals politically, but are very easily distracted from them by right wing grifters using them to keep the Prolitariat divided. I 100% agree that bigots need to be called out and corrected, but i dont believe that is capable of being achieved by arguing against their view in the cultural war. The only way to get them to change their views is by pointing out logical hypocrisies on very root issues they care about, such as Corporations robbing the working class, and thereby slowly building their class conciousness and letting them realize their enemy isnt a liberal/leftist that cares about social issues or refuges seeking a better life, but the Corporations and 1% that have kept their rage misdirected for decades.
Ah yeah, an enlightened centrist meme, coming directly from the deranged minds that think trying to take the middle road when one the sides is blatantly against human rights is a moderate position.
It’s one of those memes that I can see from someone who thinks that the democrats are Marxists or from someone who gets really mad when you say that Marxism isn’t the end all be all of communism.
Either way, it comes with the failure to acknowledge that the culture war is one group trying to exist and the other being convinced to hurt them by the capitalist class.
I’ve never seen someone with purple hair and thought “this indicates that they would have a problem with me calling for labor to seize the means of production”. Yeah there’s plenty of liberals with dyed hair, but plenty of communists too
I genuinely try to avoiding judging peoplr based on outward appearances, I know way to many hippies and people who generally look like what the right tries to characterize as leftists, that were hard core tRump supporters/forced birth hardliners.
Political cartoons are built on charactiture. Otherwise the mr monopoly man would simply be a giant who owns diaper companies and has captured two people and put them in a cage resulting in them shitting themselves.
dyed purple hair is a right-wing dogwhistle for “SJW man-hating feminist”, who are more often leftists than they are liberals. You don’t have any issues with social justice or feminism, do you?
It’s not incorrect though. If we’re worried about the erosion of human rights, it distracts from the fact that corps own our government. Not that that means we shouldn’t fight the erosion of human rights as well. That’s the brain dead centrist take.
The problem is where you draw the line. It’s a fucking shame to democrats that Nancy “insider trading is OK when I do it” Pelosi is still politically relevant, but what are we gonna do when the alternate choice is a fascist?
Oh I’ll still be voting for the lesser of 2 evils dont get me wrong, i dont fuck with lemmygrad.ml at all anymore because they have deleted multiple comments ive made arguing for the necessity of voting for the lesser of 2 evils to protect the Prolitariat long enough for class conciousness to grow in America.
Grad is full of tankies. They stan just about every adversary to the US because their whole belief system is “American imperialism bad” so they’ll unironically defend north Korea, China, Russia, USSR, etc. Hell, a few of em have “Stalin” in their name. Last month they were celebrating the hamas attack on Israel. They support Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war. Check meanwhileongrad for more interesting tidbits.
I feel like half the stuff posted there is to disenfranchise young leftists enough to keep them from voting for Democrats in 2024 inorder to allow mask off fascism to take hold of American politics, but not enough to get them to practice any real praxis and keep them regualted to having purity politics circle jerks while doing nothing to challenge the status quo. Putin is the biggest Imperial threat on the planet. While Stalin also holds the lions share if the blame for forcing revolutionary Marxism to stall out in the dictatorship of the Prolitariat stage. They also aren’t defending the actions of those countries as much as they are recontexualizing them. We should learn from previous socialist experiments and take what was good from them into the future as much as we should recognize and strive to leave their failures in the past. Eithet way we must recognize that the Capitalist Status quo is not working out what so ever for tge vast majority of humanity and something has got to give.
You got it pretty much spot on, though I’ll nitpick here
They also aren’t defending the actions of those countries as much as they are recontexualizing them.
They’re whitewashing history. Yes, if you want to try communism, it’s critical to understand where previous attempts failed. They don’t, and they don’t want to.
Putin is the biggest Imperial threat on the planet.
And yet they still support him. I got banned from grad for 3 years for telling a mod to stop throating putin’s cock. I’ll see if I can pull up the exchange, it was pretty funny. He immediately whatabouted the US working with nazis after wwii. Like, yeah bud that was bad, I agree, tell me how that justifies invading Ukraine right now though?
Lemmygrad doesn’t deny real genocides or celebrate genocide AFAIK. Please let me know if that’s not the case; I wouldn’t want to be a part of a community that does that.
This is obviously a leftist meme making fun of liberal and conservative fighting. It’s from the perspective of someone to the left of liberals, not between liberals and conservatives.
That makes more sense. I was wondering why they were both saying the same thing when typically you’d expect liberals and conservatives to be arguing. Those to the left of liberals see everyone as “liberal,” as in free markets and whatever, not political left/right, or at least the hexbear folks do.
Took me a bit longer than I’d like to admit to get what they were going on about when everyone was called liberal lol
From the left perspective in the US it’s basically the Democrats who are the “enlightened centrist” position, if not center-right, because they think capitalism is redeemable if it has the right branding etc, and success in the system is at least in theory available to everyone. The right faction are more honest in how they embrace and take joy in how this system runs on exploitation, and are obviously more dangerous in the current climate. The Democrats have to be dishonest because they have to take an inherently exploitative economic arrangement and give it a positive spin.
Well, the rich seems to like the stuff the batshit insane right are spewing. Plus, they also benefit from those policies, like abortion bans, child labor law regressions, and of course tax cuts for those earning 6 figures at minimum.
America’s “left” is also not fighting these insane policies effectively. It’s like they’re pointing fingers at the GOP and going “Hey, that’s bad.”
I’m not sure why centrism is so hated here. As long as you acknowledge one side is more damaging I don’t see a problem with it. The other side might have less problematic views but they both subsist off of each other and thrive by creating vitriol between each other. It shouldn’t be taboo to not support either one. This meme doesn’t even really seem like its attempting to make that point anyway, although I understand how you could see it that way.
If you acknowledge one side as worse than another it isn’t centrist. That would be taking a position.
The fence sitting of centrists say both sides are bad and not dealing with issues is why centrists are hated. They don’t offer anything other than the ‘Both Sides’ argument.
At least that in what I have gathered my observations.
I understand the dislike for people that take no position whatsoever, but the hate for centrism I’ve seen extends beyond that. I’ve been called an enlightened centrist for simply not supporting either party, but I guess that might just mean those people were mistaken.
Being between two ideologies is not a virtue in and of itself. Refusing to align with either of 2 generally shitty Capitalist parties, and being a centrist, are completely different things.
It depends on why you aren’t supporting either party. If it’s because the libs are too radical and the conservatives are too fascist, then you’re a centrist liberal. If you’re legitimately outside the scope of those two, such as to the left (or somehow to the right), then you aren’t a centrist.
Being extreme isn’t wrong either. The strength of a position with respect to current society says nothing about the founding logic for said position. Climate change, for example, must be radically acted on to prevent even worse results from happening, and it must happen now or we will suffer even more.
I don’t support either one because in many ways I think they are effectively the same. My views are certainly more in line with liberals and I think they are much less directly harmful than conservatives, but the parties themselves are more or less the same to me.
Neither of them effectively push the policy I want, and both purposely create an unnecessary divide between each other. They both need the other to be the antagonist to continue creating this strange dramatic version of politics.
Parts of my family refuses to speak to one another purely because of this. Their views aren’t even that far off from each other, but neither of them actually understand each other’s views. All they understand is the manufactured hate between each other.
Again, I think conservatives usually cause the most problems, but the other party can’t exist in its current form without someone to be angry at. There is no actual motive to stop the problems from being caused, so they are only amplified and worsened.
Both are actively creating a worse place to live in, and I wouldn’t support either one regardless of whatever views they claim to have.
Okay, so it sounds like you’re a leftist, and likely to agree that the bourgeoisie deliberately pits the Proletariat against itself as a means to prevent unified action.
Bruh whoosh much… the meme is quite literally from the prospective of the Ruling class and saying that both issues are the same to the Ruling Class as long as it doesnt threaten the Status quo of their strangle hold on Wealth and their ability to extract it from the Working Class…
Not worth engaging with the “centrist are evil” people. They just cant accept other pov’s that arent theirs, specially if it implies their side should make a compromise. Im pretty sure they hate even more non partisan people rather than the team party they are suposed to hate because that is thinking outside the box and they dont like that very much.
Imo thats just a result of the partisan american culture war bullshit doing its intended purpose: divide and conquer.
To bad most of the media comes from hollywood and a lot of us non american people get indirectly involved in their bullshit.
Yes, ich_iel mostly just takes English words and translates them 1:1. Doesn’t actually make sense in German, but that’s part of the joke. If you translate it back to English 1:1 again you should understand it perfectly.
As a native German speaker I often had to translate ich_iel memes 1:1 to English first to understand them myself. Its basically English but in German.
People are most afraid of nuclear energy by two reasons: accidents and wars.
The first has nothing to do with capitalism, we can only trust on workers and expect things to go ok. The second is more a fear mongering by the global north/rich people who want to make everyone worried when a global south country starts to invest in nuclear science and related things. In other words: capitalism influence.
Hell I’d say your double right, accidents are definitely influenced by the system that precipitates them. Redundant safety features, emergency protocol training, protective gear, preventative maintainance…under our current system, all of these things cost money, and since profit is the primary motive, they will be the first things to be slashed when say, the price of energy goes up and they decide to maintain profits by cutting overhead.
Half the episodes on Well There’s Your Problem are “this vital part was removed or left unmaintained for legal or financial reasons until it caused an explosive train derailment.”
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