Im not your friend guy, and nah the onus is on you to give me a source that says every state you listed is an ethnostate, not just say, ‘rEaD a hIsToRy bOoK’
Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself.
The law does three big things:
It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”
It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”
It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”
This is exactly the reason why a majority of Israelis did not support the law, and it received significant criticism from broad Israeli groups on the right and left, Jewish, Druze, and Arab.
It’s also why it’s essentially never been enforced.
Yes, but not as much of one, which the law was clearly meant to solidify. Just how my homeland of America was alot less Christofascist before roe v wade was overturned. I’m not going to defend the sins of my nation, I’m going to do everything in my limited power to rectify them, not deny its existence in a comment thread.
Even if you take his statement as true it’s essentially arguing that historically genocides have happened and therefore Israel should get free rein to do one.
China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs (recently) and other groups (historically). Rwanda’s treatment of minorities was pretty big news a while back. I don’t think you’d need to look too far for coverage on the treatment of recent immigrants in the EU.
He says it’s ok to torture Muslims because other Muslims also torture Muslims and are OK with it or don’t care, so we should all be OK with it as well, or at the very least not care about them. Perfectly sound logic, you see.
Not a man, stop assuming everyone on the internet is a man.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.
Israel is just as ethnically diverse as those you’ve listed. Druze, Arabs, Armenians, Bedouins, Samaritans, Turks, etc. in a nation of less than 10 million.
So Israel is an “apartheid state” except that minorities have full rights of citizenship, vote, serve the government, hold positions of leadership in government, academia, business and medicine. But minority parties, representing a minority population, don’t have more power? Are you even vaguely aware of how democracy works? And you think I’m the one being disingenuous?
Really, foreign powers went into Japan, colonized it, held it for decades, and then gave it to a group of people who aren’t from there and forced 700,000 indigenous Japanese to leave their country and live in a concentration camp?
As a student of history, how many “decades” was Palestine under rule by a foreign power before 1948? What date were the people of Palestine first conquered?
The difference I’ve seen is that people generally seem to be able to call out the crimes or bad behaviour of any of these governments without being called ‘racist to _____ ethnic group’. It has to go both ways, people need to stop blaming the crimes of Israeli governing party on the Jewish people as a whole, AND supporters of the that party’s actions need to stop labelling any criticism of them as antisemitic.
Jewish people aren’t an ethnic group any more than Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc.
Judaism is simply a religion.
Edit: Well TIL. Apologies, I didn’t mean to appear ignorant. Thank you to the people who have pointed out my misunderstanding. I will be reading more about this and try to get a better grasp on this topic.
You are 100% wrong. The word “Jewish” has a dual meaning and you’re ignoring the more relevant one. Try consulting a dictionary sometime. Or talk to a Jew about what it means to be Jewish.
We absolutely are. Defining Judaism as a religion alone is ignorant and christocentric.
Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity, defined by common origin, language, history, sense of identity, culture, folklore, music, clothing, cuisine, etc.
Jews have been the scapegoats of the world’s problems for thousands of years. All of these people taking their sanctimonious “pro-Palestinian / anti-Zionist” stances are literally descendants of antisemitic ideology which is deeply rooted in Christianity, Islam and European politics.
They will say Israel stole land. But ignore how many other countries exist because of thousands of years of violent conflict. Can we talk about ethnic cleansing not only during, but after WWII where people of German ancestry even if they had no blood on their hands, were raped, massacred and driven out of certain countries and blanket pardens were given so “they weren’t war crimes.” Yet everyone accepts these countries and their current ethnic makeup.
I stand by my position which is that in our current global political system, the ability to occupy and defend land is the determining factor of sovereignty and almost all of us benefit directly from past atrocities. And that has been the case throughout history.
If we want a better world, and I’m all for that, we have to begin with honesty and self-reflection. Piling on one country/group is a distraction and won’t solve anything.
Lol, so not supporting genocide is now antisemitism. Other people got to commit genocide so Israel should too. All while acting like Israel is getting piled on for no reason other than being Jewish, as if no one’s criticized Russia or China or South Africa for the same thing.
That’s some evil manipulative fucking shit right there.
Except none of the examples you’ve listed above are ethnic states. Russia, China, Turkey and India are multi-ethnic societies. Japan, Korea, France ,Sweden, have a ethno-linguistic bias, but it is still supportive of pluralistic societies. Pakistan is a synthetic ethnoreligious-state created on the basis of Islam, but ethno-linguistic sentiments are still strong withing Balochi, Pathans, Afghani, Sindhi, Punjabi and other minority groups living there.
Israel is also a pluralistic society, in which all citizens (a quarter of which are not Jewish) are guaranteed complete equal rights under the law. There are multiple Arab parties in the parliament (Knesset).
Can you explain why France has a greater number of Arabic speakers than Israel but no Arabic language schools, while Israel has hundreds of state funded Arabic language schools that parents can choose to send their kids?
It looks like a modern art piece that draws a comparison between a toxic desk job, and the frog that will allow itself to boil to death if the heat is increased gradually enough.
We had a company wide email about how they want everyone to turn on their cameras for calls. My camera mysteriously “broke” the same day. If they send me a new one, maybe I’ll turn it on. (They won’t)
I have to use cameras just out of politeness and I also do a bunch of audio only calls and frankly the video calls are much more stressful and often less productive.
I’ll use the camera during the small meetings with my immediate team but the company wide calls? Naw, I’m usually walking to the coffee shop or laying on the couch during those
See, for me it's often the other way around. Wtih the usual suspects we're often just in each other's ears for a while and moving around to get a coffee or even just pacing up and down to stretch our legs. It's the outside-facing stuff that requires the face time.
That depends on your business, I suppose. Either way the audio only stuff is definitely the better choice IMO.
You know what? I hate when I catch myself doing that. I don't feel I'm being phony or forced in calls, but sometimes I switch the camera off and I feel my face drop and I feel kinda guilty.
Don’t feel guilty. It is the normalization of expected behavior at a workplace that forces you to behave in a way that you do not want to.
It is their fault for fostering a space where people are not allowed to present as unhappy, tired, stressed out, or otherwise below neutral, even if said state doesn’t impact the quality of your work or communication.
We build relationships all around us where we are willing to understand that just because someone is not-happy does not mean that they don’t want to speak to you in good faith. We also typically understand that not everybody who seems gleeful has good intentions.
I believe this is right after psychotic mommy issues superman murders a protestor with his Lazer vision and is surprised to be cheered for it by his supporters.
I believe this is right after psychotic mommie issues superman murders a protestor with his Lazer vision and is surprised to be cheered for it by his supporters.
The Boys. The show is basically “what if we had superheroes who are assholes controlled by a huge PR corporation?”. Give it a shot! It’s an Amazon Prime original.
You really need to watch it to get the full impact, but this is the moment Super Fascist realizes quite a lot of people suck hard enough to support him.
Can any Americans confirm or refute whether US schools actually punish you for getting beaten up regardless of whether you tried to defend yourself? It sounds way too stupid to be true yet I hear about it again and again.
Also what the hell happened to Stand Your Ground that the US is so infamous for? That doesn’t apply to children who are victims of assault and battery?
In some situations, unfortunately yes. Some schools will take the stupid “zero tolerance” stance so broadly. I do remember a few times growing up that the bullied kid would still get suspended(if they were lucky, at reduced length vs the bully, if enough evidence was available).
Often times (as should be) you’re better off fighting back cuz both are gonna get in trouble.
My schools had a zero tolerance policy for anyone involved in a fight for any reason. I saw a few kids suspended for clearly defending themselves. My father gave me regular talks to let me know that so long as the other person attacked first he’d fully support me defending myself however I needed.
One of the most common types of bullying in the US is the use of zero tolerance anti bullying rules as a mechanism for bullying.
Example: kid A punches kid B. Then immediately kid A reports kid B for bullying him because kid A knows how the bullying rules work (because they are a bully). Then kid B gets in trouble for getting bullied.
Typically kid A’s parents will enthusiastically back then too because their kid “gets bullied all the time” while kid Bs parents aren’t experienced with the policies and aren’t positive that their kid didn’t do something wrong (because they are normal parents), so they don’t fight it too hard and just want it to go away.
Ask any teacher in the US and they will tell you that they see this all the time and most every kid that supposedly “gets bullied all the time” is doing exactly this.
They used to beat him up a lot. He was smaller and shyer. And they’d wait until I was out of sight so they could get a few licks in before I could run up to them and kick the bully in the fucking kidneys; whatever. Then it was on.
Yes. I got 3 days in alternative school for getting punched because “I was in a fight”. The next time I made it worth it and fought back instead of just trying to avoid being hit.
Yep, I pretty quickly learned I should just respond in kind as I’d get punished either way. Generally more severe punishments when it was one sided as well…
Children are abused left and right in this country. Our schools are dogshit. You’re lucky if your public school provides a decent education, because its almost certainly not going to provide anything else.
Yep, got suspended once for thrusting my rolling back pack at a kids face. He then punched and knocked a lense out of my glasses.
In 11th grade i snapped at one of my bullies and just went white with rage. Next thing I know I’m on top of him choking him. I got board suspended for a week for that. Fuck the US school system.
One time in middle school a kid who had been messing with me jumped me on the way out the gates at the end of the day. Neither of us was seriously hurt, but both of us were taken to the office and suspended. When I told them he had attacked me, they responded with “Yes but what did you do to de-escalate the situation?” And it’s like, motherfucker my introduction to the situation was a foot in the back!
That was one of the first times even my parents, who I had struggled with as well, took my side against some school bullshit.
“Yes but what did you do to de-escalate the situation?”
Reading this and all these other comments I wonder if at least part of it is just petty bullshit by the school administration, like “How dare the two of you create more work for us at our jobs for which we have licenses! You both need to be punished for that!”
I remember hearing that his actor got arrested a while back, and was afraid he’d done something horrendous, but it turned out he just got in a bar fight
Which if anything makes me like his portrayal of Homelander even more
On one hand, yes, but on the other, Stable Horde developed a model to detect CSAM thanks to Stable Diffusion, and that’s being used to combat pedos globally
“Zero tolerance” policies in my district are so fucked up and easily metagamed by the actual bullies that I had to outright break the rules and feign ignorance to even let kids take a stand and fight back against the bullies. I hated it.
That’s why people like them, you can say make me a photo of a “monkey riding a pickle in space” or “a dog made of cheese” and it’ll make it despite obviously having no reference.
It only needs to be trained to know what things are, it can mix them freely.
Well, butter my turnips! That's not something I expected to see today and that cartoon version will eventually find its way into a shirt, I'm telling ya.
Stable Difussion still has some steep learning curve and requires some money investment onto hardware or cloud GPU access. Meaning they have probably several hours to re-think how stupid is what they're doing.
A simple app you can download into your phone and do this shit is a pretty easy and quick way of ruining two lives (probably).
Then again, the hammer should fall onto the developers and the app store that allowed it on the first place. (IMO)
It’s still fake. But if it looks like a person in real life, what difference does the distinction make?
I'm pretty sure there is a quite a difference between an actual human being abused and a victimless depiction of such act. Not unlike watching a violent movie. Such people obviously still need help and treatment, but to me it seems vastly better than the alternative.
And what happens when they start making requests of real underage people?
That’s the whole point of my argument. They don’t need to make request for real people if they can get fake ones of equal quality. Your argument reads like “We can’t let people have meat. What if they start eating live cows?”
your argument is implying that if somehow we allow them to use AI generated child porn that it will somehow stop them from seeking the real stuff out or is somehow “better.”There is literally no evidence that suggests that in the slightest.
Of course. How would you procure such evidence? Give a group of pedophiles access to AI generated content and check if they molest children significantly less than a control group?
Pedophilia is an illness. […] You really need to […] take a macro view of what you are arguing in favor of.
I’m not defending pedophilia. Given that access to pedophilia treatment and prevention of sexual abuse is often lacking, I was starting a discussion of whether AI-generated content might be part of the prevention of sexual abuse of minors. After all, there are similar programs for drug abusers. Take methadone substitution as an example. Or establishments that are called “Drückerstube” in German (a very lacking translation would be “injection rooms”) – clean rooms where drug addicts have access to clean utensils for consuming drugs.
[…Methadone] relieves cravings and removes withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal management using methadone can be accomplished […] or simply maintained for the rest of the patient’s life.
Secondly: no, we don't have evidence that this might decrease the danger for pedophiles to act on their desires, since the technology is rather new.
Of course we should not enable urges like that. Yet, we have to be realistic: there will always be those that can't be treated. Do you want those who cannot be stopped from indulging in their desires to do so on children's images by real, abused children, or do you want them to vent on made up images?
Pedophilia is not a sexuality and CSAM, AI generated or not, is not a healthy outlet. Pedophilia should be treated as a disease, and pedophiles should receive treatment for that instead.
pedophiles should receive treatment for that instead
In a world where many people cannot afford basic healthcare or – if they can afford it – where healthcare isn’t available in the required quantity, does your argument still hold?
It depends on whether you hold a world view where every person is valuable and needs help and understanding to become their best self or one where there are good and bad people and the baddies need to be punished and locked away so everyone else can live their life in peace.
That's a rather useless contribution to the discussion. The initial argument was a line of reasoning why artificial csam might be a benefit so people can vent their otherwise harmful behavior without harming actual people. You just flat out responded "it is enabling and doesn't stop distribution". So you just responded with "no, u wrong". Care to tell us you reasons behind your stance?
That's not picky about wording.
While I agree that stuff like that should not exist at all in no way whatsoever, there is a vast difference between it existing because someone abused a child, recorded that and thus scarred the child for life, or if someone made a computer make up pixels in a way that is disgusting.
someone made a computer make up pixels in a way that is disgusting
I like that take. It lends itself to comparison: The Saw movies were well-received (at first), even though most people would abhor hurting others in this way.
If I’m not mistaking I remember reading that consuming CSAM increases the likelihood of offense since it normalizes the act/makes the fantasies more vivid. It makes them more want to act out what they see instead of removing desires.
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