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ohlaph, in This is great. You should try it.

It’s do good though!

Sterile_Technique, in Can't outsmart your teacher
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Smoogs, in I sure hope I can keep up!

You need scathing words on the monitor for accuracy

Ddhuud, in I sure hope I can keep up!

You’re not thinking fourth-dimensionally.

SomeKindaName, in Japan is living in the future that the 1990s dreamed of.

Most of those negatives sound fine to me.

cm0002,

…how? The only acceptable one (Even though I personally don’t like it) is cash.

Fax sucks ass and should have been put in the grave LONG ago, Flash drives are superior to Floppy in every way and fuck paper filing, digitized paperwork is far superior.

768,

Floppy drives are the brontosaurus among these, excusive paper filing sucks too, but cash society and fax telecom is not that bad.

SuckMyWang,

I mean these things can’t be that bad, Japan compete well on the world stage so whatever they’re doing is working fine. Can it be improved, probably. Does it need to be? Not yet

MeanEYE,
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If people actually upgraded from FAX, I would have completely agreed. What we have today is an abomination which doesn’t work. Not even a week ago I had an issue with some paperwork where tax office required me to fill some form in PDF, then print it, then sign it, scan it and send it to them. I have a phone with a pen, so I did all of that and skipped few steps. Signed the document on screen. No no no no no. They didn’t want that. They want my signature on paper which I never have to send them but my signature signed through screen is not good enough.

FAX is basically all of this with fewer steps and I can easily see why they wouldn’t want to move away from it. It it works, don’t fix it mentality. Luckily this trend is slowly going away, but damn. Not to mention same IRS office required me to generate a certificate which I can use to digitally sign documents. But I couldn’t do this either, since they accept that only on some documents. A mystery.

As far as floppy disks are concerned, this is mainly for industrial machines. They are still a huge user. Those machines are not replaced every 2 years as they are more robust and made to last. So having a machine older than 30 years still working in industry is nothing new and considering upgrade costs literally millions, it’s simply not worth paying that much money to upgrade to USB.

st3ph3n,
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Lots of those floppy drives in industrial and lab applications (as well as the retro computing enthusiast space) are being replaced by things like GoTek devices, which are essentially floppy emulators with flash memory.

MeanEYE,
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In some places, yes. But many are still not doing the upgrade as it would require technical person to do so, provide tech support, etc. All of that costs money. Whole industry is becoming very specialized place. Siemens still sells laptops with DB9 and other serial connectors just so you can access and program PLCs. And new USB based adapters to serial simply don’t work. Sometimes they do, but most of the time they have issues with these specialized devices.

SomeKindaName, (edited )
  • We use fax in the USA more than you’d think. I’d call that a wash.
  • Paper in your filing cabinet will never be messed with by a ransomware attack. Ransomware attacks seem to happen to businesses and hospitals just about daily here. I’m actually watching a news story on a hospital ransomware attack as I write this.

Floppy drives? Yeesh that one is a bit weird.

LemmyNameMyself,
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Yeah, like what’s wrong with cash?

Kusimulkku,

Annoying to deal with

idunnololz,
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I have a really slim wallet, which is only possible because I never have to use cash. Also cash is dirty. I can wash my phone once a week to keep it clean but I can’t do that with cash (well I can but what’s the point, and I’ll get accused of money laundering /j). It’s inefficient since you have to count your coins and bills and the cashier needs to do the same and then you have to check if you got the right change. You can also misplace cash, especially coins.

Meanwhile I haven’t had to handle cash for like 6 years now except for extremely rare circumstances and it just feels way better.

Wrench,

It’s not even accurate anymore. Cards are accepted in a lot of places.

It was absolutely true 10 years ago, though. It’s inconvenient always needing to think about how much cash you need to bring, and having a pocket full of change because it’s significant denominations.

Also, their banks are only open on weekdays and close super early. Bank lines were (are?) massive because everyone had to go at the same time due to work hours.

TimewornTraveler,

America doesn’t really have a functional system for this yet either. It’s a lot easier to just tap your phone on a brick and be done with it, but currently the tap method is pretty hit or miss. And bank transfers are atrocious - why do we pay venmo to do something that Korean banks just straight up do for everyone? In Korea you can just give someone your deposit number and with a couple buttons you send money easily/instantly.

olicvb,
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You don’t even have to go that far, Canada has interac e-transfers where you can send money by email. Directly accessible through the standard bank app/site. I haven’t handled cash in years

TWeaK,

Ew email does not sound like the place for cash transactions.

But yeah, most countries these days have instant bank transfers. The US is ancient when it comes to payments, “cashing your payslip” isn’t a thing in much of the rest of the world.

eating3645,

They likely mean their bank uses email as an identifier. So the bank asks you the registered email you’d like to send money to. Not that you’re emailing cash or something like that.

Similar to zelle, a third party that fills the gap.

idunnololz,
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The email is like an id for your account. You can use your phone number. AFAIK if you link it email or phone number to your bank and someone sends you money to that email or phone number it doesn’t actually text or email you. The money will be directly deposited into your account.

scottyjoe9,

In Australia you can send money via phone number or email (called payid) but it’s not sent in an email or SMS, it’s just that your number/email address is used as a unique identifier linked to your bank account. When someone pays you via either of those, the money gets directed into that account instantly.

And yes, being paid directly into your bank account is standard here and I would say really the only option for most jobs. I’m 35 and have never had a job that doesn’t pay you direct to your account.

psud,

In Australia you can send money bank to bank for free, with practically instant transfers (though large amounts and first transfers from you to someone get a 24hr hold)

And you can use the person’s phone number as the transaction target (instead of bank branch number and account number)

It’s pretty nice, good for small business too, especially trades

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

Re: Australia: be aware that all normal bank to bank transfers are still min 1 working day transfer. Its FAST and Osko which bypass that with their own new network (up to $1000).

Not every bank is with Osko or FAST, and some are with one and not the other. Though I think FAST is fading away with Osko being dominant.

Re: phone number: or email address! It’s great, especially if you have your own domain name. You can make different PayID email addresses for each account you have if you want.

psud,

Me and my mate have sent money to each other for kitty balancing on fishing trips, this year (about an hour ago) he sent me his share (high hundreds) and it was instant

We don’t use phone number since we have had each other’s bank details for ages

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

Osko/FAST: are fast BSB/Acct# transfers.

PayID: is an easy way to reference a BSB/Acct#.

Together, they are fast and easy, but they are not the same thing and are not required for one to be used to use the other.

Also, “high hundreds” is less than $1000 :-P

Rolando,

I don’t know much about Korea. Do they have laws limiting how much you can be tracked and marketed to?

Vilian, (edited )

Same in Brazil, i can send i think 10k to anyone in my contact using PIX that was created by the goverment and is opensource, i can pay with it too, there is other way too, but PIX is the easier, just need a internet connection

you can send using ramdom nunber, cellphone number, CPF, qr code, email, just need to configure the key that you want in you bank or bank app, and it just work without fees

lemmy___user,

Theoretically the situation with bank to bank money transfers should be improving - the replacement for the ancient, slow ACH system went live a few months ago. Of course it will likely take several centuries for a critical mass of banks to support it, but there has been some progress at least.

MonkeMischief,

My bank still sends me a text message and has no other means of 2FA options.

You’d think they’d be way more up to date on this “digital security practices” stuff. :|

darq,
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Yeah honestly living there for a while, I came around a bit on doing things by paper.

It's slower, certainly. But the Japanese are scary efficient at it, and there is a lot of infrastructure to support it.

And in the case where things go wrong or are confusing, at least you can take the forms and actually go and talk to someone, rather than staring at a computer screen that offers nothing.

Stalinwolf, (edited ) in I sure hope I can keep up!
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I manage a produce section at a grocery store and spend all day on my feet with no real personal workspace to unwind, other than a small shared office often occupied by talkative old women. I honestly love my job, am respected by my employer and I’m pretty well compensated (Canada), but even a desk in a cubicle looks kind of cozy to me. Just having a space for your things, a plant or two, a photo of your wife and kid. Not gonna lie, I kind of wish I had a small office and/or cubicle to retreat to. Even if it was just for the paperwork parts of my day.

mack7400, in Can't outsmart your teacher

“None y’all have anything worth smiling at down there.”

lugal, in Can't outsmart your teacher

Me to the pet rat on my crotch: Don’t worry, he will never suspect anything

Johanno, in It's just like calling someone's printer from your landline.

Ah I see you work in a bureau of the German government where fax machines are still the standard of communication. Emails get printed out and faxed over.

phoneymouse, in Wow, everyone in the past must have been gorgeous!

Lemme just say I think Keith Gill as a real life person, looks better than Paul Dano playing him.

Bakkoda, (edited )

I was just thinking A) the Nadine chick was beautiful and 2) Gill kind of got done dirty.

ohwhatfollyisman, in Can't outsmart your teacher

i dunno, it’s always the little things that make one smirk.

FlyingSquid, in I sure hope I can keep up!
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Every time my last boss said, “this should be fun!” I knew I was in for something incredibly, mind-numbingly tedious.

neonred, in Japan is living in the future that the 1990s dreamed of.

What’s bad about cash?

DavidGarcia,

i think the issue is more that people don’t really understand what is good about cash and what is bad about the alternative

and the economic and societal reasons why cash is vastly preferable.

Oha,

Cash is fucking awesome

kandoh,

It stresses me out giving the cashier a math problem to solve. I know they can a calculator, but still.

Rin, (edited )

I’ve worked at a till long ago. You ring up the customer then type in how much they gave you then the machine tells you how much change to give.

Croquette,

It’s not a million dollar problem, it’s a few cents issue. You’ll be fine

Eyelessoozeguy,

There was a movie about this, how a few cents of rounding error moved into an account generated a lot of money. Office space.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

That’s specifically a USA problem only. In the rest of the world, the price you see is the price you pay (not inc. restaurant service fees, etc, which are more BS exported from the US)

There is zero reason that the price sticker on a shelf or menu shouldn’t be what you actually pay. It’s not like online shopping where they need to calculate shipping based on distance, or tax based on state of the receiver. And there is no reason they couldn’t even put both prices on the sticker.

But in America, they do it for one reason: capitalism. It’s a marketing scheme. Makes you think you’re getting a better deal and paying less while you shop, so shoppers tend to spend more.

It’s why fuel costs $2.19 ^99/100

Because that’s seen as cheaper than $2.20.

Sorry, but they’re not going to be rounding that final price down to save you 1¢.

In short: you’re as much a victim as everyone else.

vrighter,

it’s because taxes vary per state. I don’t think it’s a good one, but it is a reason

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

Taxes don’t vary inside a store, you idiot. There are no physical stores that straddle state lines and charge you different amounts depending on which checkout you use.

I’m going to guess you’re both an idiot and you didn’t read my second paragraph where I mentioned this specifically.

Akinzekeel,

Change / coins are pretty annoying imho

FlyingSquid,
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Nothing. It must be great. My weed dealer accepts nothing else!

moosetwin, in ironic
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I agree, but if you want to post politics please do it in c/politicalmemes, rule 2

mriormro,
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Every meme is political

moosetwin, (edited )
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yeah but it’s the amount that matters:

even if I have a few molecules from einstein’s brain in me, that does not make me a genius

Ddhuud, (edited ) in This is great. You should try it.

I’m sorry for your tongue. May it rest in peace.

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