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shyguyblue, (edited ) in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

The Nexus One had so many features I miss:

Trackball for scrolling

Notification light built into the trackball with customizable colors depending on the app

Back plate came off, replaceable battery

Small and a one handed wonder, the trackball kept my fingers off the screen

It was a replacement for my jail broken iPhone OG, such a better interface for me than the iPhones and it had very basic multitasking when the other guys could only do one app at a time

Edit: Formatting

frunch, (edited )

For real, you sold me on that trackball. That sounds like the coolest feature a phone could have, right down to the multi-color led built in beneath it. I really really hope we see a return to something like that! Touch screens are very useful and have their place but physical buttons/controls are usually preferred when done properly. Here’s a pic of the Nexus 1, that trackball indeed appears to be cool as fuck:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b33a6a89-b576-4e09-abfe-75938d2dcf97.jpeg

Enkers, (edited )

Oh hey, it’s my 2nd smartphone ever. How nostalgic! This phone was built like an absolute tank. It really was a great little phone.

That said, the problem with physical controls is that you either need a larger device or smaller screen to accommodate them. For most people, the tradeoff just isn’t worth it.

For a while, I bemoaned the loss of the physical button bar. Having four (!) indicator lights was really useful to boot. Now I happily use gestures with no looking back.

Would be nice to still see some phones offer this for those who want them, though.

Junkers_Klunker,

If they can do holepunch cameras they can do holepunch trackballs. That would be the greatest thing ever 👌

runswithjedi,

I loved my Nexus One, definitely one of my favorite phones ever. I too got one after being tired of Apple’s iOS restrictions and the “you’re holding it wrong” scandal with the iPhone 4.

I still have it in storage and take it out every one in a while. It surprising how small it is and hard to believe that cell phones used to fit in the palm of your hand.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

I thought the digital trackball of the HTC Incredible was cool as shit. It was my favorite phone and I would still be using it today (not as a phone) if it didn’t have a restart bug that HTC refused to acknowledge.

Vanth, in Should I wait for the "Snyder cut" (director's cut) of Rebel Moon?
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

By releasing a “Snyder Cut” every time, aren’t they saying he either can’t put a decent movie together or that the studio doesn’t trust him to? Lame gimmick that makes them all look bad.

If I watch a version, I’m going to watch whichever is shortest. Sprawling, slow meandering stories aren’t my thing and knowing Snyder, most of the extra length will be in unnecessary slow-mo shots.

xarexyouxmadx, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

For me it’s this (the color coded notification LED on phones) and while on the topic of phones I used to have a xiaomi phone several years ago that had an infrared face unlock feature so you could use face unlock in complete darkness. Haven’t had a phone with that before or after. It was awesome.

Chainweasel, in Why is canned soup often so bad even though soup tends to improve as leftovers?

Canned soup is cooked in the can in most cases so anything that may have evaporated away changing the taste is still sealed in the can. Also, when mass producing anything most companies will choose cheaper ingredients over higher quality ingredients.
So you’re left with a soup with low grade ingredients that’s still in the pot it was cooked in and never stirred, it’ll keep you alive but it didn’t have the same amount of effort put into it as someone cooking their own.

Bonesince1997, (edited )

And there are OK canned soups out there. I wouldn’t call them all “so bad.” The broth of Campbell’s condensed chicken noodle soup is quite tasty. A few of their smaller, more premium if you will cans (I forget the name of the line of soups) are pretty good. As well, I’ve found a few Progreso cans I like. They’re never going to be as good as homemade. I like your reasons for why they aren’t as good. That’s good stuff.

lolola, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?
@lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I miss how gadgets used to be nifty and little. Every time I get a new phone now I have to stretch my fingers more and more just to hold it.

ladicius,

You have to embrace them. That’s how that giant shit is rolling.

Mr_Blott,

I just use my cock, mate

i_am_tired_boss,

Good thought, that way you can make your phone look massive.

Hold on, I think I got it the other way

foggy, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

Buttons.

Blue_Morpho,

I loved the old Windows CE phones. You got a dpad, buttons on the front, and side buttons. All frequently used apps were instant at the button press. No nonsense of turning on phone, unlock, look carefully before clicking app on touch screen because you can’t physically feel the button.

foggy,

Samsung blackjack Ii was the peak of cell phone innovation.

yojimbo,

Full qwerty keyboard. I know I am a minority. I don’t need more screen estate, I need to be able to make notes in my diary whithout looking on the screen and not bumping into things while I am walking. I’ve tried the Uniherz offers, but the OS and the quality is really sub-par. I’ve jumped on the Astroslide train, but the manufacturing batches went south over the Covid and I don’t blame the Astro guys for not getting my device. Some US company did buy the BlackBerry licence and I was ready to pay any price for their phone - but they failed to manufacture anything. If only you could jailbreak BlackBerry Key 2 - I’d be carrying it proudly around till today. (written on Google Pixel 6 runnning Graphene with a collabsible pocket bluetooth keyboard - so I can type at least while I am not moving - best among terrible options).

Fake4000, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

Memory card slots.

I can tolerate a missing headphone jack, a non replaceable battery, but a missing memory card slot is just too much.

At the moment, the only non Chinese brand of phones that includes this slot are Samsung I think. And even then, certain models also include it.

CabbageColonialist,

Samsung is Korean

PonyOfWar, (edited )

A few Motorola and Sony phones as well as the Fairphone still have them as well.

thethrillman,

Motorola is Chinese they are owned by Lenovo

WhyYesZoidberg,

One big technical reason for this was actually the file system. Back when phones came with various types of sd-card support, they only had a few gigs of storage. fat32 was enough and was supported everywhere. But fat32 had some file system limitations and when sd-card sizes grew over 4gb there were comparability issues since windows was limited to fat32 and ntfs. I can imagine the support hell when a user couldn’t mount the sd card containing photos on his or her computer.

davidgro,

The solution to that was ExFAT, which is another patented MS system, so requires a license fee (I think) but otherwise is compatible with anything (because they all had to pay the fee…) But specifically compatible with Windows out of the box.

moody,

I beliexe exFAT has been made free. It’s the official filesystem of SDXC cards, and many of them come pre-formatted.

Macaroni_ninja, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

IR blaster for smartphones. I still have one on mine and I can use it for tons of stuff, not just as a TV remote.

I even worked for a company who made lots of IR based products (taps/faucets, accessibility stuff) and it was amazing how many people had to buy the dedicated remotes for these products for extra money.

When I asked them if their phone has an IR blaster, so they could just download a free app and use it instead. “I have an iPhone” was the most common answer.

randomTingler,

Buy Xiaomi phones.

Junkers_Klunker,

Dont buy Xiaomi phones, the software is absolutely dogshit.

-sent from Xiaomi 12

Antimoon51,

See if you can install LineageOS on it. Replaces all the dog shit and has opt in for the google services etc. if you value your privacy.

-sent from Xiaomi 11

Junkers_Klunker,

That sadly isnt viable for me as i do all my banking and have all my government ID, including drivers license, which wont verify on unofficial OS’s 🤦

Antimoon51, (edited )

I don’t know about the ID and drivers license, but banking is no problem as you do not root the phones anymore. You can even use the google wallet if you want. I think the only thing not there is the google safetyNez verification, even tho you can install apps through the playstore. So I don’t know if the apps can determine if there on an official build or not.

Edit: Please take my words carefully as I’m only in the experimentation phase myself. All I really can say is: my banking app and PayPal work no problem

Junkers_Klunker,

I have tried other roms, and nope those apps wont verify sadly.

randomTingler, (edited )

I agree the software is bad. All my phones bought after nexus 4 was made by Xiaomi. They give option to unlock bootloader and flash custom rom.

Not all the phones get official lineage os support, but almost all snapdragon versions get custom rom support.

I gave my Redmi Note 4 to my mom, which is 6 years old and running latest OS with recent security patches. None of the other OEMs were supported upto this period (just give exception to Samsung Galaxy 2).

moitoi,
@moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Buy them for the hardware and change the rom.

Junkers_Klunker,

Not possible in my case though, as it is necessary for me to use some apps that wont verify on custom roms.

Macaroni_ninja,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

I do have a Xiaomi phone and as I mentioned I am actively using the IR blaster, but the majority of regular users will not even think about checking the specs when buying new tech.

They will just go for the latest iPhone or the current trending android bestseller.

fastandcurious,

IR blasters were such a treat, still fucking hate when the remote stops working or the battery runs out

spirinolas, in What has been the best thing that has happened to you so far?

Had both my lungs collapsed. Forced me to quit pot which made my life take a 180 degree turn.

victorz,

Ah man, happy to hear that for you dude. Much love.

penquin, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

Everything apple and Samsung helped remove from phones to squeeze mode pennies out of their customers. Headphone jack, micro SD card slot, ir blaster… etc

FIST_FILLET, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

for what it’s worth, you can make your phone’s flashlight serve the same purpose as those old notification lights. more harsh and no colors, but it’ll get your attention

Buffalox,

Not really, because to see that, you have to put your phone with the screen down on the table. That both ruin the quiet mode function, and increases risk of wear of the screen glass from hard surfaces.

FinalRemix,

Plus it’s fucking distracting to see students’ phones blinking throughout the classroom

BestBouclettes, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

Fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone

digger,
@digger@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m holding on to my Pixel 4a until it dies because of this.

ArbiterXero,

It was literally a perfect design.

The phone was already on by the time it was at your face.

I am sad for its loss

Vlyn,

Hard disagree here. Your fingers are already on the display to use your phone, fingerprint reader in the front makes far more sense.

Often my phone is on a table, all I need to unlock it is touch the screen. No need to pick it up.

I wouldn’t buy a phone with the fingerprint reader in the back.

w2tpmf,

My phone is face down most of the time if it’s sitting on a table. This turns on silent.

teejay, (edited )

My problem with the fingerprint reader in the display is that it just doesn’t work well. I’m on a pixel 7 pro, and more often than not it will try and fail a few times, then require a pin unlock. My pixel 5 with the fingerprint reader on the back was nearly flawless.

BestBouclettes,

I had a honor 7 and a Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 and the sensor was a thousand times faster and better than the one on my pixel 6.

Vlyn,

The one in my Galaxy S22 works great. There is a trick though to make it work even better: Register the same finger twice (and really get all angles). That usually makes the unlock much more reliable.

teejay,

Oh cool, thanks for the tip. I’ll give that a shot!

moon,

I jumped to the Pixel 6a to the Pixel 8, and the in display fingerprint scanner got much better

pubertthefat,

My Pixel 7 fingerprint reader was unusably bad on Android 13 but now works well on Android 14.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Mine has it on the side, also good.

Perfide,

Meh, I prefer it under the screen personally.

thenewred, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

The ability to reach every part of the screen with the thumb on the hand holding it

Dyskolos, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

Absolutely the damn LED. I would love to trade the stupid never-being-used selfie-cam for a damn 5 cent LED.

And swappable batteries. And a headphone-jack. And root by default (imagine you winpc came with no admin-pwd. Lol)… And…

fastandcurious,

I also just don’t understand why apple didn’t put one in the dynamic island, could have worked really well

gregoryw3,

Not sure but you can have the back camera led flash when you get a notification at least.

Sasha,

I used to love customising the notification colour on my old phones, so good.

I miss my headphone jack so damn much, I’m over Bluetooth earbuds breaking constantly and being so damn expensive and low quality.

corus_kt,

I used to have a similar problem - even if well reviewed, budget and midrange bluetooth earbuds would not last while budget-midrange wired earphones would last forever.

Think it’s just build quality for bluetooth buds. I got a set of Galaxy buds, 1st gen, roughly 3+ years and still running strong to this day. Was not cheap though.

Sasha,

I’ve been through two pairs of Sennheiser’s wireless buds, and I’m just over it.

The only thing that might bring me back is the ANC, but even then I get significantly better ANC from my over ears, so probably not.

Dyskolos,

U could try a usb to jack converter. Looks stupid but at least there’s a jack. Quality sucks anyway as they all use cheap dacs now 😩

Sasha,

I’ve got a suprisingly good pair of USB C earbuds that I found in my mailbox at the moment, but yeah at some point I’ll probably get a DAC

LordOfTheChia, (edited )

usb to jack converter

All Most of the ones you can get nowadays actually have a sound chip inside the cable (in the flat part behind the USB-C). So they’re pretty much a USB-C soundcard with just a headphone out. So it’s worth shopping around to find one that has a good soundcard built in.

A good alternative is getting a decent portable Bluetooth audio receiver to plug your regular headphones into. Can get a better headphone amp that way.

fatalError,

There are phones that output analog audio over type C so you can have a type c to jack adapter with no dac inside, just wires. That is possible through Audio Adapter Accessory Alternate Mode.

My huawei tablet works with such an adapter, but when I try it with the samsung s10e which has a jack, it gives an error and doesn’t work.

Type C alternate modes are cool, too bad they are not advertised, they should be clearly labled and easily distinguishable. Type C has so many features yet it’s so hard to know what’s available without actually having the devices and connecting them. It’s both a blessing and a curse.

LordOfTheChia, (edited )

Thanks for the correction. I had thought that only some of the early Motorolas had that feature, but it looks like there are quite a few more phones that support analog audio out via USB-C.

From the wiki article:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C#Alternate_modes

Moto Z/Z Force, Moto Z2/Z2 Force/Z2 Play, Moto Z3/Z3 Play

Sony Xperia XZ2

Huawei Mate 10 Pro, Huawei P20/P20 Pro, Honor Magic2, LeEco

Xiaomi phones

OnePlus 6T, OnePlus 7/7 Pro/7T/7T Pro

Oppo Find X/Oppo R17/R17 Pro

ZTE Nubia Z17/Z18

wildginger,

Then buy phones with headphone jacks. Mine has one, I dont buy ones without it.

If it matters for you to have it, dont buy phones that cut it. If models with it keep selling, theyre less likely to ditch it.

Sasha,

I’d rather just buy a DAP than randomly replace a perfectly good phone with one that sucks in comparison.

wildginger,

Lol I only buy jack phones, and if you think they suck you need to shop in places that arent back alleyways

Sasha,

It was a perfectly good MacDonald’s, thank you very much!

But in all seriousness, I just have particular needs that literally can’t be met by anything else.

deweydecibel,

And that why you’ll never get it back. You’re clinging to brand loyalty and hung up on arbitrary crap rather than just trying competing phones. Have you actually used any of those “suck” phones, or are you just going with the usual iPhone/high end android circlejerk?

Sasha,

You have assumed completely wrong, friend.

As I mentioned in another comment, if you’d bothered to read it, I have particular needs that mean I can’t really replace my phone with something else right now. I have absolutely no loyalty to brands, and I’m not clinging to something arbitrary.

Buffalox,

What I don’t understand is why the notification LED was removed in the first place? It can easily be put under the screen.
The LED was so helpful, and it’s so annoying when I don’t see an important message for hours, because I haven’t used my phone.

xigoi, (edited )
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Nowadays most phones have OLED screens, which can easily replicate the function of the notification LED with the “always on” feature.

Buffalox,

Yet there are often warnings that even with OLED AOD eats a lot of battery, not so with a notification LED.
The absolute newest OLED that can do 1Hz refresh are better. But that doesn’t change that the removal of the notification LED was detrimental to the functionality of the smartphone.

Blue_Morpho,

Someone else posted an app that gives the feature back. If you turn off other aid features and just use the app it won’t use more battery than a notification led.

Buffalox,

If you turn off other aid features

What?

it won’t use more battery than a notification led.

If the screen has 60hz or higher refresh, I’m pretty sure it will. The screen itself may not use much, but the DAC will still use power.
I haven’t seen this actually tested, but many claim the difference in battery life is noticeable. I don’t think it matters much what app you use, many phones come with an AOD app, and I seriously doubt a third party app is better.

Blue_Morpho,

aid what?

Typo: aod feature. Always on display.

If the screen has 60hz or higher refresh, I’m pretty sure it will.

It’s supposed to drop down to 1hz. The CPU refreshing a pixel of an OLED screen or a notification led is the same power usage. That is even if you have a notification led, the CPU could still be stuck refreshing it at 60 hz.

Buffalox,

AH ok that makes a lot more sense. ;) As I understand it, it’s only the newest top displays that can go down to 1 Hz. Or maybe it’s just when in use they can’t for some reason. I find the 1Hz capability to be extremely cool, so it would be great if it’s a more general feature of AOD.

Perfide,

OLED AoD eats a lot of battery because there’s still quite a lot of information(and thus, pixels turned on) shown on the AoD. A single pixel blinking on and off would at most use the same power as a dedicated notification led.

Dyskolos,

I really can’t. I did it all. It just doesn’t come near the tiny lil LED shining bright.

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

And yet they don’t

RiderExMachina,

I used to have a custom ROM that would allow me to change the color based on which app had the most recent notification: FB was Blue, SMS was Green. Let me be prepared ahead of time if it was going to be important or not.

jpeps,

Ironically I was grateful for a custom rom to turn off the light. It was useful but I hated it at night because at least on my phone it was stupidly bright

sawdustprophet,
@sawdustprophet@midwest.social avatar

I used to have a custom ROM that would allow me to change the color based on which app had the most recent notification

Even more than that, in early versions of Android this setting was baked in. I had colors set based on text messages, emails, etc. I think around 2.x was when the option was removed.

reagansrottencorpse,

I remember and miss that. Any remember the original droid with the slide out keyboard ?

AliasVortex,

I don’t know about the original, but I rocked a Droid 4 for the longest time. It’s probably my all time favorite phone. I really miss how quickly I could type and the extra screen space I got from not needing the software keyboard.

the_post_of_tom_joad, (edited )

I’m guessing… they don’t want us deciding whether to engage with our phones, they want us looking at them more. If that means less convenience for us we can get fucked

Buffalox,

I think you may have a point, It’s kind of weird how the first 10 years of smartphones, was an ever higher climb for better phones, driven by competition.
But now that everybody are dependent on the phones, they all agree on taking useful features away???

cjsolx,

Fuck. You’re probably right. It’s all about nudging us towards the behavior they want.

___, (edited )

It’s probably also a little safer with only system apis accessing system hardware. If you look at how the camera assembly is one piece and apps basically access the whole thing securely.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Oh, in some cases the notification LED is physically there, but is disabled in software. At least I know that was the case with a bunch of Motorola phones, including my Moto G5s Plus.

Buffalox,

I’m pretty sure mine has a tiny LED under the screen, that only shows very shortly on reboot. But as you say, it’s disabled for some weird reason.

Dyskolos,

I have no effing clue. Maybe to get us to actually look at the damn phone more often? Because of the people who’re drowning in spam? Makes not THAT much sense. Probably to save a cent in circuit-design, because only the nerds were using the stupid LED? I really would like to know too.

aniki,

Because if you can read an LED notification system you have no purpose to pick up the cellphone.

Cellphones are not designed FOR YOU. They are designed by marketeers for you to use.

Once you realize this, all the anti-consumer shit makes sense.

Critical_Insight,

I got all three on my XCover 6 Pro

Dyskolos,

But probably no easy root? That is imperative for me. I don’t buy gadget i wouldn’t own.

Critical_Insight,

I have no idea honestly. It’s quite esoteric device so probably not.

Dyskolos,

Even I haven’t heard of it (yet). So most probably not. But still … :-)

otp,

I had an XCover 4 and hated the specs and the Samsung aspect. Too much bloat for my tastes.

I’m glad there are others still buying these phones though, and the “Pro” makes it sound like it has modern specs!

Critical_Insight,

It’s very much a mid-range device but so was the price. It was still an easy decision since it is literally the only modern smartphone in existence that matched my minimum requirements. I’m coming from LG V20 so I still had to let go of FM-radio, optical image stabilization, IR blaster and the hi-fi DAC.

otp,

How’s the Samsung bloatware on it?

Perfide,

Root by default is an awful idea.

Dyskolos, (edited )

Of course not by default, that’d be dumb. Every app that wants it pops up a Y/N-dialogue. That’s how I want it. It’s my phone, goddamit. I might’ve phrased that a bit misleading :-)

NoneYa,

Some Windows devices do come like that! Windows Home S is a stupid fucking thing that I am sick to death of family members bringing to me.

It’s free to bring it out but you need a Windows account to download the package to remove the S from the device to make it your own.

There was also the RT version like the Surface RT. Which was actually worse because I don’t remember there ever being a way to remove the RT and go to full Windows….

lemann, in What is a nifty little feature modern gadgets have lost?

Pretty much everything the Galaxy S5 had

  • Notification LED
  • IR blaster
  • Replaceable battery
  • Headphone jack
  • Heart rate monitor
  • SD card slot

I currently use a FP3 which has 4 out of the 6 features above, which I feel is the best we’ll get right now.

Admittedly the Heart rate monitor is more of a gimmick nowadays, especially that it’s standard and automatic on most smartwatches and sports watches. Back then when stuff like the Sony Ericsson LiveView and LG W100 watches were popular, they did not have heart rate sensing built in

Buffalox,

What is FP3?

lemann,

Fairphone 3

Buffalox,

Ah OK.

Matty_r,
@Matty_r@programming.dev avatar

I presume it’s Fairphone 3?

dunz,
@dunz@feddit.nu avatar

Fairphone 3. I have one as well, but upgraded it to the +model by installing a better camera

Buffalox,

Wow, cool that you can do that. 👍

Dagnet,

All that while being water resistant, let’s not forget! What an amazing phone

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

What do you mean water resistant? Phone with replaceable battery and headphone jack can’t be water resistant! /s

w2tpmf,

Wait, Galaxy phones no longer have a SD slot??

Even their $120 tablet has that. Why the fuck doesn’t a $1k phone have it?? 💩

thethrillman,

Pretty much all high end phones outside of Sony have omitted the headphone jack and SD card slot.

Samsung low end phone and low end phones in general still have it for example the galaxy a54 has it.

The reason why is they want you to spend more on storage upgrades.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

A54 user here. I see no difference to upgrade to flagship except the camera

Olhonestjim, (edited )

And then they completely bork the file system with separate storage for every app. Nobody needs a dozen different folders for storing pictures, with no way to combine them.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

The higher tier A series phones are pretty solid if you really want a Samsung anyway. S series is overkill for most people.

vlad76,
@vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

IR blaster! Iiss that feature. When my wife was sick in the hospital they had a TV with 10 stupid channels. But I found that the TV had a USB post. So I used a flash drive and my phone as the remote to let her watch TV shows while she was stuck in bed.

CosmicTurtle, (edited )

IR blaster was the shit. Back then, there was an app called beep and go (I think) that held the barcodes for your loyalty cards. For someone that collected them like baseball cards, it was really handy.

Anyway, Samsung actually had the ability to transmit the barcode via the IR blaster which some scanners could read if they couldn’t read the barcode on the phone.

It was awesome!

I agree that the heart rate monitor was a bit of a gimmick though.

the_post_of_tom_joad,

I used to fuck with friends with my “universal remote”, and of course use my phone whenever i misplaced my own I miss that stupid feature the most

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