It does amaze me how many people I’ve met who have a vicious hatred towards speed cameras. Especially interesting e: in a country where people have so much respect for the police.
We don’t like the idea a private company is enforcing laws not for safety but for profit. Especially when things like shortening of yellow light time and cameras that don’t properly report speed. It’s horseshit.
It’s not the local government putting them up, it’s a private company who is in charge and keeps at least half the revenue. Plus when their location is known and they get less effective the same company will try other things like altering yellow light time length to keep profits up.
Do you have a link explaining this? I searched for “poliisi valvontakamera” and “poliisi nopeuskamera asennus” and didn’t find stuff about who puts them up and whatnot or about the income sharing. I have read articles about how they’re a nice source of income for the state but no mention of the companies involved.
In the USA, many or most speed cameras are owned and operated not by the local police or city, but by a private company that keeps some percent of the fines they give out.
They are contracted by the city, country, or other authority. They are not randomly placed or operated without permission.
Yeah. Even in the US many municipalities outsource almost the entire ticketing process to the company selling the cameras, and the company collects a (usually outsized) percentage of the fees. So the company has the incentive to use whatever shady tactics to increase ticketing infraction events. This could be by changing the camera angle slightly to falsely get plates from yellow throughers or sometimes they change light timing itself to increase ticketing events…
I would just assumed because they are using the same Swedish company (Sensys Gatso) that does profit sharing agreements with municipalities in the US, that the agreement is the same.
I can’t seem to find the finnish contract award details, so I can’t confirm that they are. I am thinking now, that their might be a chance that they aren’t, given how extreme finnish traffic violation costs can be (% of salary).
So what’s the point? How does this not make it more equitable to adjust it by income from there? That’s still extremely more equitable than our wildly unjust system that’s only designed to punish the poor.
Edit: Also, that’s totally wrong. If I convert euros to USD, then that’s ~$135, which is way less than an average speeding ticket in the US. Last one I had was more than $200, and that was in 2010. You’re wrong.
I’m in the lower income bracket, and I haven’t had one that low since the 90s. That figure must be skewed by places like Nowhereville where the police are so corrupt that they issue $10 tickets to family members or something, because $150 is not a realistic figure for most people. I bet if we looked into that, we’d find some really creative methodology.
It’s only % of salary (day fines) for more severe offenses, in this case for really speeding. Normal speeding tickets are just a set sum.
Here’s a pic showing the amounts. It has the speed limit, how much over the limit you were and how much you end up paying as a fine. Bottom one is “regardless of the limit” and “over 20 km/h”, so whenever you go over by over 20 km/h, you pay “day fines”.
The real problem is that people want to argue technicalities that deflect from the main point. For people who aren’t paying attention, they might come across this and think, “Oh, well I guess the US system isn’t so unjust after all.”
The Finnish system is probably inequitable, too! But it’s objectively not as inequitable as the US system, at least not where traffic fines are concerned. There’s nuance.
It seems like a fairly risky assumption to make just from you having it work like that in the US.
As a side note, that % thing (day fines) don’t cover all speeding tickets, since they’re considered so minor. It’s the bigger offenses (of speed limits and in general) that are covered. So it actually covers other stuff too, not just speeding.
Here’s a pic showing the amounts. It has the speed limit, how much over the limit you were and how much you end up paying as a fine. Bottom one is “regardless of the limit” and “over 20 km/h”, so whenever you go over by over 20 km/h, you pay “day fines”.
Us Nords are socialist enough to keep a tight leash on capitalism. Less and less of course, but capitalism doesn’t define us, the way it defines basically the rest of the world.
Capitalism wreaks a different amount of havoc on societies depending on any number of variables, mostly those which have to do with controlling capitalism.
Lol. I can’t stand Taylor Swift at all. She literally makes the blandest pop music imaginable for generic women with no personality. I’ll take björk any day over Taylor swift
I dunno. It’s bland but anything that appeals to a mass pop audience has to be a little. At least there is some talent. There is so much worse out there in the pop mainstream. I can easily just ignore this, but it’s hard for me not to feel like music itself is betrayed somehow when I hear something like Katy Perry or Pitbull
I don’t agree with your take because of how it seems to imply “reverse sexism,” which is odd. If anything, it’s harder to be a woman.
But I do know celebrity culture is weird, and you’ll never talk sense into people who worship a particular celebrity. You’ve got to think of them as meth addicts or something – you can’t just antagonize them because they’ll lash out or shut down.
Animals died to get eggs and cheese. Also the animals that are giving milk and eggs will die when they reach a certain age. Also I wouldn’t consider being in a cage 24/7, never seeing the sun, a “life” exactly.
That’s like saying you don’t mind buying blood diamonds because diamonds are just a rock. Of course they contributed to death, but in essence they are just a shiny rock.
You are thinking too hard. I never alluded to eating eggs or cheese being ethical or not. Cheese is complicated because of the bacteria that makes it, not because it came from an animal.
Oh I guess my comment does look like a vegetarian shopping list. My point was that even though many vegetables ‘die’ for us, there are things you can harvest without killing the plant/animal. Not as a moral stance, I doubt anyone cares more about carrots dying than cows and chickens suffering.
I’m kinda ashamed to admit I didn’t know Togo existed. Thank you for promoting me to virtually cruise around west Africa a bit and very slightly improve my geography knowledge.
Please tell the world about how awesome communist rule is while in a free democracy. Please let those starving people in those concentration camps in China know how good they have it.
Well, it’s not a fair argument but non-communist countries have starved a lot more people to death than Communist countries ever had, but something tells me you’re not really here to learn anything or that you care for fair arguments.
China really isn’t. They gotta jump through some wild hoops to do business over there. Apparently the way they exchange value between companies is via some share of inventory for sales or whatever. It’s complicated AF, so I don’t know how to explain it.
Julan Du and Chenggang Xu analyzed the Chinese model in a 2005 paper to assess whether it represents a type of market socialism or capitalism. They concluded that China’s contemporary economic system represents a form of capitalism rather than market socialism because: (1) financial markets exist which permit private share ownership—a feature absent in the economic literature on market socialism; and (2) state profits are retained by enterprises rather than being distributed among the population in a social dividend or similar scheme, which are central features in most models of market socialism. Du and Xu concluded that China is not a market socialist economy, but an unstable form of capitalism.[18]
That’s from a Wikipedia. I’m not going to pretend to have a strong grasp on it but it’s state owned enterprises that function, essentially, as private (separate from government). That combined with production for profit > production for use makes it way more in the capitalist spectrum compared to Marxists ideology. Especially considering their human rights record.
Lol yes, abolishment of private property and government ownership of the means of production doesn’t automatically mean authoritarianism. How could I forget? To control a government best thing is to give them more power, gotcha. Thanks for clueing me into your logic steel trap dawg
My authoritarianism comment was in refrence to the “free democracy” comment, homie. Sorry if you need those things spoonfed to you. And state ownership doesn’t automatically mean public ownership. China is a real world example of that. Thanks for clueing me into your idiocy, dipshit.
Oof. I know it’s hard to get educated but it’s worth the effort. I recommend starting with a good encyclopedia. Unless those are simply far right dog whistles in your brain
Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.
So I looked it up on an online encyclopedia and it looks like communism is public ownership, not government ownership.
I’m not a communist so I might be missing a detail here or there, but this really doesn’t seem like it says anything about state ownership, especially considering the fact that a shorthand definition for communism that my communist friends love saying is “A stateless, classless, moneyless society where goods are distributed from each according to their ability to each according to their need”
Since it seems like you are certain about communism being authoritarian, here is an excerpt from the same encyclopedia (under the dropdown for “what is communism”)
However, over the years others have made contributions—or corruptions, depending on one’s perspective—to Marxist thought. Perhaps the most influential changes were proposed by Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, who notably supported authoritarianism.
I know many communists love to tie Lenin into communism, but it looks like this encyclopedia indicates that some people think differently about this!
If only getting educated was as easy as a fucking google search, and was almost no effort, instead of speaking out of your ass on something you don’t understand and blind opposition of prevented you from starting with a good ol’ encyclopedia.
You think that a commune can’t have voting? Well that says enough about your level of understanding. Would you really like some light on the definitions of words, or do you think you’re just bringing some slam dunk “haha commies bad” you learned from your grandpa?
The US film industry has been operating for over a hundred years, routinely works with firearms, and yet only 3 people have died in firearms accidents that whole time.
I’m saying this for all the gun safety “experts”. I don’t care if you’re military, law enforcement, or a private gun owner, your embarrassing yourself by lecturing Hollywood on gun safety.
Wasnt it a barrel obstruction that was then shot out when he fired a blank with it? Checking to ensure it’s blanks in your magazine/chamber is fine, checking a weapon from a site armorer for barrel obstruction isn’t a routine thing to check. I certainly don’t check my guns for obstruction except when Im cleaning / taking out of storage / have reason to believe there might be one because of ex: a misfire.
If this was live ammo then so many people fucked up. No site I have ever heard of allows live ammo to be present at all. Most studio lots dont allow live ammo, and several in hollywood require security to use custom marked handguns that prominently say they have live rounds in them. Ive been told a few even have fully custom magwells for site security guards / lot cops so you cant swap the magazines around. The paranoia around gun safety in hollywood is nuts. It’s fucking incredible how many people had to fuck up to cause this.
They had live ammo and live shooting non-disabled guns. The crew were using them on the incident day to shoot cans, and this was the armorer’s first second film job
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