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Deuces, in De omnibus dubitandum

post hoc, ergo propter hoc

Valmond, in De omnibus dubitandum

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

(Who’s guarding the guardians)

Ulvain, (edited )

agentibus emissumque canis de?

(Who let the dogs out)

SonnyVabitch, in De omnibus dubitandum

Are we disrespecting Latin now?? Sic transit gloria mundi!

jimmydoreisalefty, in Training

We are.

2d, in Real Love
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bacon died for you without its consent

dylanTheDeveloper,
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“Hey pig I’m gonna eat ya!”

The man I have tied to my bed 🥴

LemmyFeed,

That’s why it tastes so good.

quindraco,

So does broccoli.

2d, in Burning the calories
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ok boomer

Cruxifux,

Seriously boomer vibes

random_character_a, (edited )
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If 70+ are posting in lemmy I’m really surprised.

Stovetop, in De omnibus dubitandum

Wow, no need for the at person remarks.

averagedrunk, in ♫♪♫♪ The Day My Waymo Said Goodbye ♫♪♫♪

Already exists. Merle Hazard, Dave’s Song

phoneymouse, in De omnibus dubitandum

Academic philosophy is mostly concerned with the Greeks and Germans. The Romans had their philosophers, but they did not have the same influence on modern thought.

Also, often times philosophers do use an original word or phrase because it cannot be translated well into English. Language evolves over time and concepts as they were originally understood can be lost or muddled by modern uses of a word used to substitute. Also, etymology is more and more important in philosophy.

balderdash9,

I read and write in academic philosophy for a living. Philosophers causally throw around Latin phrases in their writing (and, sometimes embarrassingly, even when speaking):

  • Many from historical figures (e.g., Kant’s a priori/a posteriori, Berkeley’s “esse ist percepi”, Descartes “cogito ero sum”, Leibniz’s “salva veritate”, etc.)
  • Forms/rules in logic (e.g., “modus ponens”, “modus tollens”, “reductio ad absurdum”, etc.)
  • Informal fallacy names (e.g., “ad hominem”, “tu quoque”, “ad populum”, etc)
  • As well as a myriad of other commonly used terms you’re expected to know when reading philosophy (e.g., prima facie, mutatis mutandis, a fortiori, eo ipso, ex nihilo, sui generis, ceteris paribus, ad hoc, non sequitur, etc. etc.).

This is not a random list. Every one of these Latin phrases sees heavy use in today’s philosophical literature.

Prunebutt,

OP confused philosophers with lawyers, probably.

balderdash9,
bl4ckeagle,
Enkers, (edited ) in De omnibus dubitandum

Canis in willa dormit.

Tar_alcaran,

Caecillius est in horto

HikingVet, in Training

Could you keep your thoughts a little quieter? It giving me intrefence.

c0mpost,

intrefence

I see what you did there

Diplomjodler, in De omnibus dubitandum

Cum tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.

LaunchesKayaks, in I don't work on leap years
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I miss Dat Boi

FoundTheVegan, in Real Love
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A pig didn't say they would die for you. It was murdered against its will and then you paid the killer to kill more.

dylanTheDeveloper, (edited )
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No pigs go “oink” silly or when they’re scared they go “SSSSSSQQQQQQQEEEEEEEE-SSSSSSQQQQEEEEE-SSSSQQQQEEEEEE”

Ataraxia,

Unlike you, I am familiar with the pig government and we actually have an agreement that we eat their death row inmates. Crime has never been so delicious.

nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN,

Okay but actually they grow up in cages and never see daylight. Their tails cut off without anaesthetic.

So yeh.

Glytch,

You’re buying from the wrong farmer. Family farmers care a lot more about their animals than factory farms. Just another reason to buy local.

Moshpirit,
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It is a strange way to care about someone by sending them to death. I wouldn’t leave this people rise children. Or pigs. Or any other individual.

snor10,

Yim yum!

Glytch,

If a pig had the chance he’d eat you and everyone you care about.

FoundTheVegan, (edited )
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And...?

Are you telling me that you eatpork as some sort of... preemptive revenge? Because even in a hypothetical universe where pigs are top of the food chain, it would still be wrong to imprison and kill them. Which is why doing this to tiger/lion/bear would also be wrong in our universe.

Weird comeback.

Glytch,

You must be great at parties(unless they’re serving pigs in a blanket, obvs)

FoundTheVegan, (edited )
@FoundTheVegan@kbin.social avatar
  1. I truly AM great at parties. I'm loud, funny, cute and get REAL drunk. What's not to love?
  2. lol personal insults means you know your argument sucks
  3. Seitan pigs in a blanket are flippin' great. I literally serve that at parties. 😂
LemmyFeed,

And I’d do it again.

quindraco,

Same thing happens if you eat broccoli.

Captain_Buddha,

Livin’ up to that username, kid.

TexMexBazooka,

I’d kill it myself for the goddamn delicious goodness

federatingIsTooHard,
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almost no one has paid for a pig to be killed

FoundTheVegan,
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😂

Cope.

federatingIsTooHard,
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no, u

explodicle,

Assuming what I think you’re assuming, now I want to hear this story of pig assassination.

De_Narm,

It’s called ‘buying pork’. They don’t kill them for fun and just happen to sell them afterwards.

federatingIsTooHard,
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when you buy pork, the person who killed the pig has already been paid.

Floey,

It’s actually irrelevant whether or not you buy a product made from slave labour, the product is already made! How much product is made is completely independent of how much gets purchased, because that’s how markets work!

De_Narm,

That’s just useless semantics, neither funny nor clever. The pig you bought may be dead, but the money you pay will be used to raise and kill other pigs.

federatingIsTooHard,
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it’s not semantics

null,

It absolutely is. If you eat pork, you indirectly pay for pigs to be slaughtered. Full stop.

federatingIsTooHard,
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the pig was slaughtered in the past, before I walked into the store or decided what I’m eating this week. everyone involved was paid before all that, too.

mellejwz,

And with wat money? Your money and everyone else’s that buys meat. Not that it matters though, I’ll keep eating my meat.

federatingIsTooHard,
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money can’t travel back in time.

mellejwz,

No it doesn’t. But money does allow them to keep going…

federatingIsTooHard,
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they are paid before the bacon enters the store

mellejwz,

Yeah, by everyone that buys meat. It’s simple. If we all stop buying it now they’re gonna run out and stop producing meat. The meat you buy today pays the meat that enters the store later.

federatingIsTooHard,
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do you have a plan to get everyone to stop buying meat now? it sounds like a pointless hypothetical that we can’t even test.

mellejwz,

No, I won’t stop buying meat, it’s delicious.

federatingIsTooHard,
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The meat you buy today pays the meat that enters the store later.

no, it doesn’t. it pays the store today. that’s it.

mellejwz,

And the store pays the supplier, the supplier pays the farm, and everything in between. Not sure if you’re being serious.

federatingIsTooHard,
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after I spend my money, it’s not mine anymore and I don’t get to decide what happens to it. same is true whether I buy beans from the store or bacon.

tweeks,

They wouldn’t kill, or even raise the pig if they didn’t count on the money down the chain. We indirectly but surely pay for pigs to be created / killed, for our consumption.

It’s fine if you don’t care about that or accept it as your standards, that’s your choice and fair in our current social context. Just realize the economics behind it.

federatingIsTooHard,
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all those people are paid before I even decide whether I’m going to buy bacon.

tweeks, (edited )

Yes, but they only pay those people if they expect to make a profit by selling the end product to you. You are one of the people who make it worthwhile to set up a chain of payments like that.

If they do not expect you (or other people) to buy the meat, they won’t pay those people to raise / kill the pigs.

Whether it’s you this time or someone else doesn’t matter. As long as there is a demand by end consumers they will continue. If no-one buys it they stop, it’s that simple.

You’re part of the group that enables this dynamic and your money goes to paying those people. It’s fine if you like meat, just don’t deny this basic logic.

federatingIsTooHard,
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If they do not expect you (or other people) to buy the meat, they won’t pay those people to raise / kill the pigs.

I’m not responsible for managing other people’s expectations.

tweeks,

No you’re not, but to dismiss that your actions still have influence on other people/systems is short-sighted.

Once more, it’s fine if you eat meat. You don’t have to consciously manage other people’s expectations. But just know that you automatically do. Buying meat is supporting the future production of meat, that’s all.

federatingIsTooHard,
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Buying meat is supporting the future production of meat, that’s all.

you are stretching the definition of"support" to meaninglessness.

federatingIsTooHard,
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If no-one buys it they stop, it’s that simple.

I’m confident that pigs were slaughtered before the invention of money.

tweeks,

They would stop doing it commercially. You are free to kill a pig and eat it, so are other people. Or trade it, but that’s again economics.

Mass production of meat is a luxury that would never have this scale if people had to find, raise and slaughter pigs themselves.

You supporting mass production of meat is paying to raise, kill and consume pigs. Which is still fine in our society, just see it as it is.

federatingIsTooHard,
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I believe if I didn’t buy meat, it would continue to be made, and in ever-increasing quantities. my purchases have no impact whatsoever on whether any animal is bred, raised, or slaughtered.

federatingIsTooHard,
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I give my money to the same people that you do: a grocer.

dylanTheDeveloper,
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I murder my own wildlife for free

GrammatonCleric,
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wafflez,

Same as people do/did with other attrocities throughout history. Now you know where you would’ve stood.

GrammatonCleric,
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KpntAutismus, in Burning the calories

neck day every day

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