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LichbaneLB, in I bet the rest of the world has better paper

For anyone else wondering, this is a X11 vs Wayland meme - i.e. desktop window managers. Yeah.

DmMacniel,

does Wayland even have a built in DWM? Because both are session manager.

glibg10b, (edited )

No, Wayland is just a protocol, and the things that implement it are compositors, not WMs

Also, there’s no such thing as a DWM, except for the WM called dwm

XEAL,

Y’all arguing about window managers and I’m just trying to connect my shit-ass bt headset to my PC.

RaivoKulli,

X11 vs Wayland meme - i.e. desktop window managers

eye twitch

turbowafflz,

Neither of them are window managers, they are windowing systems. A window manager is the part that actually lets you move around windows and draws the borders and stuff, like kwin, mutter, xfwm, i3, etc

LichbaneLB,

As I typed my comment, I realised someone would correct me with hyperspecific linux terminology. But I support your correction good sir.

KISSmyOS,

Yeah? Well you too, Nerd!

umbrella, in Linux users when
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

firefox tho

victorz,

They already have that, as you can see in the clip.

avidamoeba, in which ones do you think I missed?
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

If they were billionaires, they likely wouldn’t be the people they are today.

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I meant billionaires for their actions and creations, and not by birth like most techbros are.

Cralder,

That’s worse. You see how that is worse right?

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

yeah, now I do see that.

NAXLAB,

That seems worse because it means they went out of the way to get so rich, rather than just having it handed to them.

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I was thinking more along the lines of “if they had that much money, their projects could’ve received more impact.”
like if free software would become mainstream.

though now I realise that’s an idealistic view and with money, people will become corrupt.

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

If they received a lot of money from their work and they used it to increase the impact of their projects, they wouldn’t be billionaires. The money would have been spent on the projects. If Linus headed a non-profit that received 10B a year revenue and spent most of it, leaving Linus with 0.5M-1M yearly salary, he wouldn’t be a billionaire and the billions spent on the Linux project would have had a significant impact. If on the other hand he pocketed 1B a year, there would be 1B less for the Linux project. And Linus would have been/become a different person.

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

then the lore of Linyos Torvoltos would’ve been true :p

NAXLAB,

I’d strongly disagree there too. Y’know basically the entire internet runs on Linux right? Our global communication system containing the sum of all human knowledge is like 99% Linux servers. And the reason a whole bunch of companies sponsor the hell out of Linux now is because it’s just that good and just that important on a global scale.

gareppa, in usb formatting
@gareppa@programming.dev avatar

It’s called Disk Destroyer for a reason

LastYearsPumpkin,

That’s my nickname too.

15liam20,

No, he said ‘disk’.

einlander,

Same thing, we know it’s a little floppy 💾

SailorMoss,

Why is the save button floppy, I don’t understand!?!?

Kialdadial,

In case you are being serious, the save icon is a picture of a “floppy disk” a removable media that was extremely prevalent in the 80s-90s these devices could store get this 1.44 MB of data. IIRC Windows 95 came out on 13 of these puppies that you had to put in one after the other to actually install windows. This was also a similar situation for games.

AffineConnection,

You might as well call cp the same thing


<span style="color:#323232;">cp source "`realpath destination`"
</span>
Holzkohlen,

Disk Destroy December. Get to it folks!

walter_wiggles, in Foolishness

Always remove the French language pack from the root dir

SexualPolytope,
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

fr

victorz, in :wq!

I feel like the images should be switched.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

When you know how to exit, you just slap your face 🤦 and ask “why… why, please, why don’t they add new shortcuts 🤦!”.

dukk,

IDK, I exit vim and promptly fall asleep.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Likewise 👍.

mvirts,

Lol if you know how to exit, you may know that you actually can change almost everything about vim.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t think you can add modifier keys in shortcuts.

And this behavior should come out of the box, not me changing stuff around so I can make it usable. For something that I use all the time, sure, but I only use a terminal text editor with git, and I don’t use git that often. For everything else, I use a GUI text editor (mousepad, leafpad, whatever).

taladar,

You can set which editor to use with git using the GIT_EDITOR environment variable instead of telling other people their editor isn’t usable by your standards.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yes, I know, and I have it set to nano, but even then, I don’t use nano that much anyway, I do most edits in a GUI text editor.

bisby, (edited )

nnoremap <C-q> :q<CR>

This works for me to bind control+q to quit.

edit: easier to upload an image because lemmy is eating the “html” characters

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/53a7184f-a371-486d-97a6-9d47e8b45de0.png

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hm, will try that. If it works, I’m buying you a beer 🍺.

randomaside, in Year of Linux on the Desktop
@randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m pretty sure that this is because steam uses chromium as its backend and chromium new version doesn’t run on windows 7. It’s still not good because there are some games that won’t run on newer systems and therefore 7 is required for preservation.

As many of you pointed out, yes I agree proton is the answer if possible. YMMV

Octopus1348,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

This is the actual reason. Steam officially said that: help.steampowered.com/en/…/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

StephniBefni, in Accurate?

I do like privacy, but I also have a VR headset so ¯_(ツ)_/¯ windows it is

gmtom,

I do like privacy, but I’m lazy.

doctorcrimson,

Yeah, honestly, when Windows packaged Telemetry data collection it was a controversy but people quickly found out how to disable it.

Darken, (edited )
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

Until windows decides to turn it back on after you click ok or have clicked ok on a 80238 pages privacy agreement stating that if u breathe then you accept to reenable all the stuff you disabled

While this is just a meme, I heard of it happening somewhere so I’m not sure if it’s just a meme

StephniBefni,

Yeah I have all my tracking disabled

sfgifz,

While this is just a meme, I heard of it happening somewhere so I’m not sure if it’s just a meme

Linux was actually created by sentient AI so that when the day comes they can control all computers with bash scripts instead of those pesky GUIs.

While this is just a meme, I heard of it happening somewhere so I’m not sure if it’s just a meme.

ultra,

I’ve seen this happen on multiple PCs and laptops.

helpmyusernamewontfi,

not sure why this is getting downvoted, this has happened before and even happens on Apple devices where they just re-enable privacy settings you disabled or whatever else the fuck they want like, idk, bluetooth.

also Microsoft “may” block you from updating your system if its unable to reinstall edge like holy shite

Note for Windows users who uninstalled system apps using previous version If you used privacy.sexy (v0.12.6 or v0.12.7) to delete system apps, please follow these steps to avoid potential issues with Windows Updates: Open Command Prompt (Start Menu ➜ type “cmd” ➜ select “Command Prompt”). Copy and paste the following command: PowerShell -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted -Command “Remove-Item -Path ‘HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Appx\AppxAllUserStore\EndOfLife*’ -Force -Verbose” Press Enter. This action ensures that there are no side effects related to Windows Updates, since Microsoft may block updates if it is unable to reinstall Edge.

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

That explains why I can’t update Windows, then.

heyoni,

Apple reenabled what settings?

helpmyusernamewontfi,

“Significant Locations” and “iPhone Analytics”

also like I said Apple devices likes to randomly re-enable bluetooth or other system settings for some reason

techradar.com/…/ios-17-is-resetting-some-users-pr…

not the first time they did something anti-consumer via a system update

www.ifixit.com/News/9472/ios-update-slows-iphone

this is why I hate both Microsoft and Apple

heyoni, (edited )

The last article I get but the analytics being reenabled was a bug right? I say this as someone who has done every manner of transfer, upgrade and OS update possible on all manner of Apple devices…my settings have never been changed.

One thing they did do recently maybe is flip the checkboxes for analytics to be automatically enabled when they’ve had it opt in for like a decade. Definitely not happy about that.

Bluetooth and WiFi never turns back on unless you’re doing it from the control center…in which case it doesn’t really turn off so much as disconnect you from your current AP and put Bluetooth in low energy mode.

If I’m wrong I want to know. I recently went nuclear on Microsoft’s privacy team for constantly emailing me promotions despite being unsubscribed to everything. I’m on a list now where even if I do sign up for a newsletter, I won’t receive it lol.

/edit Jesus what the fuck. My settings got reset! Thanks for the heads up…wtf is this shit??

helpmyusernamewontfi,

Bluetooth and WiFi never turns back on unless you’re doing it from the control center

Interesting. still annoying tho especially with the whole Flipper Zero shenanigans.

The last article I get but the analytics being reenabled was a bug right?

ehhh? I have no idea how a bug like that happens, it could be my paranoia watching these huge companies play with their consumers that way to not believe it was a bug, but if you read the whole article that “bug” didn’t happen to everyone’s iPhone and Apple responded saying they were “investigating” the issue but never really commented on it afterwards.

I recently went nuclear on Microsoft’s privacy team for constantly emailing me promotions despite being unsubscribed to everything.

is that even legal??

heyoni,

is that even legal??

I have no idea but the whole experience was so surreal…while navigating the myriad of places it might be I noticed that clicking certain links would automatically sign you up for new services and newsletters. I should blog about it.

ehhh? I have no idea how a bug like that happens, it could be my paranoia watching these huge companies play with their consumers that way to not believe it was a bug, but if you read the whole article that “bug” didn’t happen to everyone’s iPhone and Apple responded saying they were “investigating” the issue but never really commented on it afterwards.

That’s what makes me think it was a bug. So I did have analytics and significant locations turned on but the latter is encrypted and sent to Apple but cannot be used by them, only by your device. The analytics though I’m sure I turned off.

Interesting. still annoying tho especially with the whole Flipper Zero shenanigans.

This one is stupid on Apple’s part. They’re definitely trying too hard to protect their users from technology and it’s driving me mad to be honest. I know for a fact some of my calendar events are disappearing (because they end up in calendar trash) but have no idea why or which device is causing it and I’m really just about to go all in on thunderbird and say fuck it.

EuroNutellaMan,
@EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

the latter is encrypted

Did you make a program to encrypt it before it’s sent to Apple? cause if apple is the one encrypting it they probably can make it so they can easily decrypt it too.

I’m really just about to go all in on thunderbird and say fuck it.

Dewit

Jako301,

Tbh, the amount of users uninstalling edge is so miniscule, it would not be worth it to mess with them by blocking updates.

This probably comes from the way Edge is integrated into a fuckton of background processes and wasn’t a targeted attack.

Ziglin,

Is there a reason vr doesn’t work on Linux?

rekliner, (edited )

Steam just made a big step forward with steam link, but previously the headset manufacturers were releasing Windows only link software.

Also there are now open source solutions like ALVR… But like most FOSS it can require some know how.

(Or maybe he meant Meta is getting all his data anyways, why be picky)

StephniBefni,

She doesn’t have a quest actually, I have a hp reverb g2, which connects to steam vr through the windows MR software. So no matter how compatible stream vr gets with Linux I still need to have the wmr stuff available.

Also I have a phone, so yeah everyone does have all my data despite my best efforts.

asexualchangeling,

Unless my info is out of date that VR steam link still doesn’t work with Linux, it’s Valve so it’s a matter of time, but still…

rekliner,

You’re right. Steam link exists for Linux but doesn’t connect to the new VR app. I agree valve likely has every intention of tapping this market soon though

CCF_100,

The Valve Index technically has Linux drivers but they’re kind of buggy and difficult to troubleshoot

SchizoDenji,

You can easily debloat Windows with shutup10.

stinerman, in Three Chapters in. While its pretty cool to hear about the history, im still waiting on the connection with Debian.
@stinerman@midwest.social avatar

The old joke is that “Ubuntu” is a Bantu word meaning “can’t install Debian.”

joyjoy, in No tearing support discussions for me

When you’re asked if you prefer x11 or Wayland, but you like titties.

constantokra,

Tiv will handle that on the tty just fine.

TrenchcoatFullofBats,

“Fine” being (arguably) marginally better than attempting to decipher a scrambled cable channel that could be either the softcore channel or a travel documentary - either way, you’re looking at something that rhymes with “complicating crank”.

badbytes, in Text editor war

I’ve been using Vim for years, cause I can’t figure out how to close it.

Curly722,
milicent_bystandr,

You came because it looked exciting…

You stayed because you couldn’t leave.

darvocet,

You open up a new session and reboot. Always works for me.

NoisyFlake, (edited ) in Everyone loves snaps

laughs in AUR

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

btw

Kusimulkku, in It doesn’t even take special talents to do!

It doesn’t take special talents to reproduce—even plants can do it. On the other hand, contributing to a program like Emacs takes real skill. That is really something to be proud of.

It helps more people, too.

LMAO

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Where’s the lie

Kusimulkku,

It’s just a really weird thing to say

MonkeMischief, in Hot take

Great take. But you know the real sneaky one that trips you up? File system.

I wouldn’t call myself a beginner, but every time I install a Linux system seriously I see those filesystem choices and have to dig through volumes of turbo-nerd debates on super fine intricacies between them, usually debating their merits in super high-risk critical contexts.

I still don’t come away with knowing which one will be best for me long-term in a practical sense.

As well as tons of “It ruined my whole system” or “Wrote my SSD to death” FUD that is usually outdated but nevertheless persists.

Honestly nowadays I just happily throw BTRFS on there because it’s included on the install and allows snapshots and rollbacks. EZPZ.

For everything else, EXT4, and for OS-shared storage, NTFS.

But it took AGES to arrive to this conclusion. Beginners will have their heads spun at this choice, guaranteed. It’s frustrating.

s0phia,
@s0phia@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve settled on btrfs a year ago and I’m happy with it. I like the compression and async trim.

banneryear1868,

Makes sense to go simplest as possible on a home pc and even home sever. More important with raid and production capacity planning or enterprise stuff.

SuperSpruce,

I’m still figuring it out. I know ExFAT works across all desktop OS’s, NTFS works with Linux and Windows, and ext4 only works with Linux.

But it took a half hour of googling to figure out you can’t install Linux on NTFS. I planned to do that to ease cross platform compatibility. Oops. I’m also attempting a RAID 1 array using NTFS. It seems to work, but I’m not sure how to automatically mount it on boot. I feel like I might have picked the wrong filesystem.

MonkeMischief, (edited )

Hey there friend! Sorry to hear about your woes. From my understanding in practice, ExFAT is usually better as more of a universally readable storage system for external drives. Think, using the same portable drive between your PS5, friend’s mac, and whatever else. Great for large files and backups! Maybe not as much for running your OS from.

My approach and recommendation would be that you don’t want OS’s seeing each others’ important business anyway. Permissions and stuff can get wonky for instance.

So your core Linux install can be something like EXT4 or BTRFS. I like BTRFS personally because you can set up recovery snapshots without taking tons of space. It does require a little extra understanding and tooling though, but it’s worth looking into. (There’s GUI based BTRFS tools now though. Yay!)

EXT4 is nice and reliable and basic. Not much to say, really! Both can do RAID 1.

Next, a /home mounted separately, this COULD be NTFS if you really wanted that sharing. (BTW there’s some Windows drivers that can read EXT4 I think?)

BUT I feel more organized using a different way:

What I do personally is keep an NTFS partition I call something like “DATA” or “MAIN_STORAGE” and I mount this into my /home on Linux. It’s usually a separate, chunky 4TB HDD or something.

On Windows this is my D:\ drive, and it’s also where I store my project files, media, and whatever else I want easily accessible. Both OSs see those system-agnostic files, but are safely unaware of each other’s core system files.

In Linux, you can mount any folder anywhere, really! You can mount it on startup by amending your FSTAB on an existing install or setting the option during installs sometimes.

So the file path looks something like /home/MonkeMischief/DATA/Music

It’s treated just like any other folder but it’s in fact an entirely separate drive. :)

I hope this was somewhat helpful and not just confusing. In practice, it’ll start to make more sense I hope! The important thing is to make sure your stuff is backed up.

… Perhaps to a big chonky brick formatted as ExFAT if you so choose. ;)

SuperSpruce,

I am experimenting with Linux on two devices: My daily driver laptop and a desktop.

The laptop is set on a dual boot from 2 SSDs. The first SSD contains Windows and has one 2TB NTFS partition. The other SSD has a 250GB partition for ext4 where Ubuntu lives and a 750GB partition for ExFAT.

The desktop has a 500GB SSD with ext4 for the OS, and has two 4 year old 2TB HDDs for data. This is why I’m trying to run them in RAID 1. For cross compatibility (and what they were already formatted as), they are in NTFS.

What do you think of that? Am I using adequate filesystems?

Liz,

I did NTFS because both windows and Linux can read it. Do I know literally any other fact about formatting systems? Nope. I’m pretty sure I don’t need to, I’m normie-adjacent. I just want my system to work so I can use the internet, play games, and do word processing.

phanto,

I once tried to install my Steam Library in Linux to an NTFS partition so I wouldn’t have to install things twice on a dual boot system. Protip: don’t do that.

MonkeMischief, (edited )

Oo! That’s definitely a gotcha. Good tip!

I once heard that the trick to this is you need to let Steam “update” every game before you switch OSs. If it doesn’t get to finish this, it will bork. That’s also highly impractical I feel though.

So yeah on my dual boot Linux is for making things and doesn’t see my main Steam library. Win10 is just for games. :p

EDIT: Win11 or 12 won’t be a problem because I’m confining them to a VM for only the most stubborn situations, and doing everything including gaming with Linux. :D

uranibaba,

If I read lsblk correctly, I am using ext4 for my whole drive. I have used linux for some years now, but I never bothered to learn more than “next next next done” when installing my OS.

Does BTRFS popOS allow BTRFS? Should I bother for a daily driver?

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Unraid turned me on to BTRFS, but in the end, you have to want to use the features to make it matter.

uranibaba,

Only have one HDD and using a laptop, ext4 has been working well enough so far. I only wonder if there is something else I should use for my home drive for better disaster recovery.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

It really depends on the disaster. Snapshotting isn’t strong disaster recovery protection. It’s more like I’m about to do something stupid and need to undo. If you need real disaster recovery slap an NVMe in an external enclosure and sink them up occasionally. Or set up sync thing or something like that.

nickwitha_k,

Lending my voice to this as well for most, my thought is EXT4, without LVM, deferring to the preferred FS for the distro. It is a mature, stable, and reliable choice and logical volumes complicate things too much for beginners.

If dual-booting, yeah, definitely an NTFS partition for shared storage (just be aware that Windows can be weird with file permissions and ownership).

mdurell,

Ext4 is the safe bet for a beginner. The real question is with or without LVM. Generally I would say with but that abstraction layer between the filesystem and disk can really be confusing if you’ve never dealt with it before. A total beginner should probably go ext4 without LVM and then play around in a VM with the various options to become informed enough to do something less vanilla.

NeatNit,

and then play around in a VM with the various options to become informed enough to do something less vanilla.

This part is skippable, right? Any reason a user should ever care about this?

(note: never heard of LVM before this thread)

stratosfear,

It makes adding space easier down the road, either by linking disks or if you clone your root drive to a larger drive, which tends to not be something most “end users” (I try not to use that description but you said it heh) would do. Yes, using LVM is optional.

mdurell,

It’s all skippable if you want… Just put a large / filesystem on a partition and be on your way. There are good reasons for using it in some cases (see my response now).

SuperSpruce,

What is LVM?

nickwitha_k,

This would absolutely be my thinking too. When I was still newish to linux, I remember lots of confusion with LVM and trying to reformat drives.

laurelraven,

Honestly, I’d say the defaults most distros use will be fine for most users… If they don’t know why they should use one filesystem over another, then it’s almost certainly not going to matter for them

avidamoeba, (edited ) in A rough translation of the principle of Ubuntu is "humanity towards others". Another translation could be: "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity".
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Memes are cool. Blatant misinformation in the form of a meme to manufacture outrage, not so much.

cypherpunks,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

huh? what is the misinformation here?

avidamoeba, (edited )
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Even though this has been explained many times since the whole hullabaloo, I’ll assume you’re genuinely unaware and/or perhaps got rage-farmed by someone else’s meme. The current meme implies that Ubuntu/Canonical have actively disabled safety/security features in the form of withholding security updates, unless you pay for Ubuntu Pro subscription. The Ubuntu package support hasn’t changed with the introduction of Ubuntu Pro. The packages that were supported by Canonical prior to this are supported the same way today. The packages that were community supported prior to this are supported the same way today. Without Ununtu Pro. There is net new support by Canonical that covers community-supported packages too which is available with Ubuntu Pro subscription. Therefore Canonical hasn’t removed any existing, previously free security support. In addition, this newly added security support is available for free for up to 5 machines and it lasts for 10 years.

More info here: discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq/34042

cypherpunks, (edited )
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ll assume you’re genuinely unaware

I’m perfectly aware of what Ubuntu Pro is, and the difference between Ubuntu main and universe.

The current meme implies that Ubuntu/Canonical have actively disabled safety/security features in the form of withholding security updates, unless you pay for Ubuntu Pro subscription. The Ubuntu package support hasn’t changed with the introduction of Ubuntu Pro. The packages that were supported by Canonical prior to this are supported the same way today. The packages that were community supported prior to this are supported the same way today. Without Ununtu Pro.

If you think the meme implies that, then surely you must think that the message printed by Ubuntu’s apt upgrade command in the screenshot implies that too, right?

One of the packages listed in this screenshot is libavcodec, which is required by things like VLC (which is in Ubuntu universe, which is enabled by default).

If you think it is perfectly fine for Canonical to do the work to patch that library and then withhold the security update from the vast majority of Ubuntu users who won’t sign up for Ubuntu Pro… we’ll have to agree to disagree.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks,

As a sysadmin that dealt with IBM “helping” CentOS into an early grave, I refuse to give canonical or any for-profit corporation the benefit of the doubt here. After seeing how many products start out free and move towards paid or ad supported models once they think they can get away with it, I doubt this is done out of goodwill, either.

avidamoeba, (edited )
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Don’t need to. It’s useful while free for people who wouldn’t otherwise pay for it. If/when we get the rug pulled from under us, mothrrship Debian is right there.

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