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Nacktmull, in This is too loud

Ah, quality content!

HurlingDurling, in This is too loud

WHERE IS SEASON 2!?

idunnololz, in Santa Claus is boiliiing an eeeeeegg
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Egg

Pumafred9, in It's cheaper is what it is

Eso si que es.

UltraMagnus0001, in It's cheaper is what it is

I’m good 😁

Smoregoose, in It's cheaper is what it is

I went to therapy and now I’m a girl…

possiblylinux127,

Oh no…

Imgonnatrythis,

Were you also a girl before therapy? If so, this isn’t that uncommon.

LetterboxPancake,

I went to therapy as a teenager and now, decades later, I’m a grown man. Explain that, science!

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

just as long as you aren’t in a barbie world…

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

If you’re happier now then awesome!

possiblylinux127, in Lies, deception!

This is why we don’t have such devices

Nacktmull,

You don´t have a phone?

zaph,

When I turn my phone’s microphone off and say “hey Google” my phone doesn’t respond in the slightest. Much more comforting.

Nacktmull,

If you really think your phone not responding means your phone is not listening …

DeepGradientAscent,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

If you’re tech-savvy, or are friends with someone who is, Run an open-sourced custom ROM on your smartphone. Problem solved.

Nacktmull,

Interesting, thank you!

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

If you have/get a Pixel you don’t even need to be tech-savvy. You literally just plug the phone into your PC, navigate to the Graphene webpage and click “install” right in the browser.

zaph,

I didn’t say that, I said it’s more comforting. Unfortunately I need my phone for work so I can’t run a de-googled rom so it’s good enough for me. And I never see ads referencing things I talk about.

Nacktmull, (edited )

I see! Whatever works for you :)

gears,

I don’t understand, how does running a degoogled rom stop you from using the phone for work?

I also use my phone for work (company profile, apps, 2fa etc) and it works fine on GrapheneOS.

lseif,

I LOVE GRAPHENEOS

zaph,

There are 2 apps I use that won’t work on graphine. I’ve been trying on my second phone and I can’t make it work.

gears,

What apps? Some require some compatibility options to be enabled, Waze for example.

possiblylinux127,

It doesn’t run anything from google. I run lineage os.

You could make the point that the service companies know where you ate all the time but that doesn’t have anything to do with audio that I know of.

Nacktmull, (edited )

I run lineage os

Good for you, never mind then. However, most people run preinstalled OS, so I just assumed you also would.

possiblylinux127,

Honestly if you are thinking about your phone listening to you then you probably should look into running something other than stock. (You are not most people)

Nacktmull, (edited )

Good point. How complicated is it to install lineage OS on a Fairphone while also keeping/transferring my contacts?

possiblylinux127,

It depends. What I would do if you are interested is buy a cheap damaged phone that is still usable and then flash it with Lineage. From there you can break things without causing issues on your main device.

Nacktmull,

Interesting, thank you!

lseif,

you should be able to import/export contacts to a file, on most systems i think. also check if theyre stored on the SIM card itself, or in your phone.

gears,

I thought lineage os still uses google for stuff like push notifications? It just doesn’t use the “Google apps” by default

cmgvd3lw,

You can choose to install gapps or not.

possiblylinux127,

It does not. It is fairly close to AOSP with a few improvements to the stock system.

possiblylinux127, in It's cheaper is what it is

Or we could just toughen up a bit. You need to be willing to take life head on. Don’t go cowarding away from your problems.

(Just to be clear do go get help if you are facing serious metal health issues. I’ve lost people to suicide)

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

I'll bet more than one of them had serious mental health issues that were exacerbated by being told to just 'toughen up a little bit' when they reached out for support. Calling people cowards for acknowledging issues promotes a toxic view of men being able to open up about issues.

mattw3496,

Lol, my father constantly telling me to toughen up is what led to me going to therapy.

Toughening doesn't permanently do the trick, it leads to repression of emotion and is a very isolating thing. It's better instead to be vulnerable and expand your support network. One strong tree isn't as strong as the interlocked roots of a forest.

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Like most things, toughening up can be helpful in some situations but when used for everything it becomes counterproductive. Like letting petty insults slide when they don't matter is a pretty handy skill, but there is a need to also know when not to and when to reach out so that there is support for when it is needed.

I'm sorry your father did that to you.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

People don’t need to toughen up. If they’re struggling they are already tougher than you realize and maybe tougher than you can imagine.

Yet even the toughest can’t go it alone forever. Nor should they have to. Sucking it up isn’t healthy and it isn’t a bragging point. It is unwise.

If you need help, you need help. Nobody has the right to tell you that you don’t.

This idea that we have to be rugged individualists is bull puckey and is probably responsible for a lot of suicides especially among men.

All people thrive with support and without it they crash and burn eventually.

Aceticon, (edited ) in It's cheaper is what it is

When I was living in the UK I did therapy, and after many years of doing it I was still a wanker, but at least I had learned to accept it.

Democrazy, in They could be anywhere

I just hope we don’t cross paths again.

snooggums, in It's cheaper is what it is
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

I have seen several therapists both individually and in a group setting, and the therapist's approach can range from "why don't you try to cater to everyone else's insecurities all of the time instead of standing up for yourself in a constructive way" to actual support that can lead to change. It isn't a perfect solution and can require trying more than one therapist to find one that actually listens and helps if you want to actually fix something instead of just someone to listen to you complain.

They were all ridiculously expensive and only one was actually helpful. Heck, the successful one ended with less frequent sessions and then ending with a plan to schedule if needed. I can see why someone who only had experience with the other approaches wouldn't want to waste money on not resolving anything.

In my limited experience the therapists who were men actually acknowledged issues and tried to resolve them, which makes a bit of sense as therapists come from the same society where women frequently want to just be heard and men want to do things because that is how they are raised.

MystikIncarnate,

Completely correct, and it seems that mentality is alive and well.

Bluntly, society seems to put the burden of being independent and successful squarely on the shoulders of men with little regard to their well-being. For most men, everything has a solution where you “just need to do x” and you’ll “fix” the issue. This works for stuff like a job, where something that’s a problem requires an active task to find and execute the solution. Soft skills not required.

Meanwhile, a lot of traditionally female held roles in society, usually in the form of care (mother/parent, nurse, customer service) are very soft-skill heavy. There may be no solution, and their job is to make everyone okay with the situation… More mitigation, than fix. Just make the problem less bad.

Meanwhile, nobody bats an eye when a woman mentions that they see a therapist, but when a guy mentions it, he’s seen as weak, that he doesn’t have the solutions to the issues he faces, yet the men have never been given the tools to deal with situations that they cannot control. Either you fall in line with a “yes, sir!” Or you find a new solution to fix the problem. Just accept it and move on with life, or find a better way. There’s no grey area, so many just go with “it is what it is” rather than actually trying.

With society getting to the point where many traditionally gendered roles are being assigned to anyone (which, don’t get me wrong, this is progress), the thinking needs to change.

tillary, in It's cheaper is what it is

Therapist: you need to focus less on the things that are outside of your control, and come to accept the fact that there are some things you just can’t change.

Me: crying you mean some things just be what they be?

Zipitydew,

It do

Plopp,

That’ll be $1.000

mack7400,

Meh, fist-size drywall repair kits are cheaper.

Crashumbc, (edited )

$1,000

(For the US folks)

Zuberi, in Lies, deception!
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The amount of amazon > google grift in the comments as if they’re not both spying on you is so cute :)

funkless_eck,

personally I think its better to be afraid of real things that are happening than things made up by Facebook boomers.

why this particular issue fools even the most technical of people I’ll never know.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

What made up by Facebook boomers, that devices can be used to listen and collect data on users?

funkless_eck, (edited )

obviously what you vaguely describe has been around since 1945.

That home assistant devices are constantly listening and feeding back marketing data on every conversation is patent and disproven nonsense.

they have done packet sniffing investigations, they have disassembled the devices, they have run meters on the electrical charges… everything in every way you can imagine.

But even if you just think about it for a second - processing a live audio feed at a rate of 1 second per second indefinitely and correlating that data via voice recognition to your Google profile all to… make your ad personalizations… worse? more inaccurate?

like what the hell is the perceived benefit? That my wife says, “oh my dad found my old barbie house!” while at my neighbors house and my neighbor gets served barbie ads? Why would Google want that?

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

LOL :)

WoahWoah,

At some point ever you’re going to realize is that the real things you need to be afraid of are largely caused by the stuff made up by Facebook boomers.

funkless_eck,

what specifically? vaccines cause autism/monkeypox, the democrats drink baby blood, trump won the last/next election, Putin is good because he’s only killing Nazis in Ukraine, forest fires are caused by Jewish space lasers, LGBTQ+ folks are grooming children and Bill Gates wants to put microchips in your brain?

Like — what are you saying, some misinformation is good?

WoahWoah,

I’m saying people believe those things. Roughly half of all voters. And those beliefs cause damage, and it will affect you, whether you think it’s stupid or not. You can ignore it and insult it all you want, but it’s not going away. Perhaps you’ve noticed?

funkless_eck,

Right, so if “gOoGLe iS reCoRdiNg yOu” is false, it makes sense to call that out, no?

WoahWoah,

K

glitches_brew,

🤡

WoahWoah,

I appreciate how much time and attention you’re giving me! Thanks!

Blackmist,

But Facebook can’t spy on me, I repost the “I DO NOT GIVE FACEBOOK PERMISSION” spam every 3 months without fail!

EnderMB,

Source: I work at Amazon, and have worked on Alexa

They don’t spy on you without your permission. Comments like these devalue actual instances where companies genuinely steal and manipulate data. Take the tin foil hat off…

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Source: Trust me bro

EnderMB,

If you had any remote idea about the tech industry, you’d know what kind of reputation Amazon has. If Amazon were stealing data, you can bet your ass that one of its employees (probably one of the ~6% that gets fired every year) would happily rat them out.

Comments like these amaze me. Even cesspools like Reddit and Twitter wouldn’t be so out of touch and stupid.

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

EatYouWell,

They’re not completely wrong, though. If the devices are phoning home when the mic is disabled, then someone would have discovered it by now. There are people who do that shit for fun, and Amazon is a big target.

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As someone who has Google Home and used to have Alexa:

I have network tools tracking what these devices are doing just to see if they are constantly listening or doing anything weird.

In 4 years I’ve yet to see anything suspicious, which sucks, cuz it’d be worth so much fucking money to the media

Igloojoe,

Consent could be argued that it was given upon purchase of the Alexa unit…

Viking_Hippie,

Source: I work at Amazon, and have worked on Alexa

If you’re high enough level at Amazon to know for sure, you’re also high enough level at Amazon to almost definitely lie to people about it and other things as part of your job.

So no, we will not be taking your word for it.

intensely_human,

So your theory as to why you haven’t seen evidence is that there’s a conspiracy of people withholding the evidence. I gotta ask, do you have evidence of that conspiracy?

EnderMB,

That doesn’t make any sense. If I were “higher up”, do you think I would be actually doing any IC work? I’d be in management, and probably won’t even know where to look at any of the fucking source code.

Feel free not to take my word for it, but also feel free to ask anyone that has any experience with Alexa, or anyone that has monitored traffic leaving the device.

Is Lemmy just full of conspiracy nuts or something?

Viking_Hippie,

If I were “higher up”, do you think I would be actually doing any IC work

If you weren’t, why would you have access to enough data to know for sure whatv every part of it does and doesn’t do?

free to ask anyone that has any experience with Alexa, or anyone that has monitored traffic leaving the device.

So basically biased people and people who might lose their jobs if they say anything Amazon doesn’t want people to know? Sure, sounds credible!

There’s conspiracy theories and then there’s expecting that a company that has been proven to spy on people without their knowledge will spy on people without their knowledge.

EnderMB,

That’s not how it works, at all, at ANY tech company. I know, because Amazon has a shared GitFarm, with detailed documentation on how things work, and most importantly the better part of a decade where no one inside or outside of the company has found the device “listening”.

I said it elsewhere, but will repeat since you clearly have no idea about the tech industry. Amazon treats it’s corp employees like shit. If ANYONE was going to leak shit about their employer doing something shitty, it would be an Amazon employee, especially since their URA process is so widely known.

IF Amazon get caught spying, they get everything that they deserve. I’ve never worked in the Ring org, so whatever they do is on them, and if they get caught being shitty with customer data they should be punished severely. What I can say, which (again) is backed by a decade of people not calling out the really-fucking-easily-verified fact that Alexa isn’t phoning home outside of the utterances you say to it. Wakewords don’t leave the device, they’re an offline trigger to get the “actual” content.

I’ll repeat it again, this is an insane take that I haven’t experienced after a decade of posting on Reddit and Twitter. Why is the fediverse full of conspiracy theorists that don’t do basic research before making statements?

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Your general demeanor is atrocious.

Genuinely.

If you think they’re not spying then you’re just still way too low on the totem pole.

You “work at Amazon” so I imagine you’re either deluded or intentionally misleading on purpose.

It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

SimplyATable,

Any level of technical knowledge in this is enough to know that they aren’t listening through your echo

squidman64,

lol they are such stereotypical conspiracy theorists too, “of course you’d say it’s not true, that’s exactly what someone who was hiding the truth would say!”

Viking_Hippie, (edited )

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  • EatYouWell,

    You might want to take your own advice, buddy.

    Zangoose, (edited )
    @Zangoose@lemmy.world avatar

    Tell me you’re not a software developer without telling me you’re not a software developer.

    If you’re working on the code the only thing that might change is not having access to the release/staging environments (production databases, cloud server, etc.) but you would need access to the code itself (and development database/services), so it wouldn’t be too difficult to check if the code is keeping voice recordings

    (italicized is edited in for clarity)

    Additionally, the higher up you are, the less code you usually write. With software development being higher up usually means more meetings, team management, planning, and higher level infrastructure talk.

    (Obligatory disclaimer that I’m pretty new in software development, this is the experience in the company I work at and seems to be pretty standard among other companies as well)

    EatYouWell,

    They’d also be violating their NDA.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    NDAs are null and void for illegal activity

    EatYouWell,

    Illegal activity was never being discussed.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Depends on if you think essentially wiretapping someone’s house is illegal

    EatYouWell,

    The discussion was about Amazon not doing that

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    I know? I wasn’t disagreeing with you

    helenslunch,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    They don’t spy on you without your permission.

    You should probably edit your comment to clarify that they don’t listen to you.

    “Spying” doesn’t really have a clear definition in this context. Amazon employees have been caught spying on customers through their cameras, and giving away clips to authorities without “owners’” consent, consult or notification.

    EnderMB,

    True, that is more accurate. IMO, in those instances, Amazon get all the shit that they deserve…although for many instances these are in their terms of service. There has been no shortage of scandals where Amazon have used utterance data for training ML models, or where they’ve retained voice data for the same reasons, when these have been in the TOS from the beginning.

    FeelzGoodMan420, (edited )

    These threads are always full of fucking bootlickers and paid shills.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    And also full of people unironically using the term bootlickers

    FeelzGoodMan420,

    It wasn’t meant to be ironic.

    Stumblinbear, (edited )
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Yes that’s what I said. You unironically using it. Cringe.

    intensely_human,

    Overlaps between people who say “bootlicker” and people who can’t read? I’m shocked

    Quadhammer,

    Found the boot licker

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    What a fascinating and insightful reply

    Zuberi,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Plenty of unironic bootlickers out there, no?

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Plenty of people unironically using it believing it’s an actual argument

    TimeNaan,

    It’s not. It’s an insult towards people who can’t be argued with, because they just love the boot.

    intensely_human,

    I see so many attempts to argue with people before the bootlicker insult comes out. At least I know it’s being used correctly and not as some kind of defense against thinking or engaging.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    I see the exact opposite. I’ve never seen it in a context other than shutting down a discussion before it can be had.

    Kolanaki, (edited ) in Besides, I didn't get any
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    I get -1 hours of sleep a night. I’m awake and stealing your dreams.

    Agent641,

    OMG That was you that lurked my nightmares last night?!

    You were a good kisser NGL

    Mr_Blott, in It's cheaper is what it is

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    “You guys go to therapy?!?”

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