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Enzy, in Lemmy in nutshell?

This is some fourth wall breaking shit

Gigan, in It's just a coffee
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

“You will own nothing and you will be happy” - Some rich fuck

FierroGamer,
JJROKCZ,

Ubisoft should get comfortable with the idea of going out of business. I refuse to buy anything of theirs or interact with their shit launcher. Bad practices and bad products combined mean bankruptcy and i hope it happens soon so decent companies can get ahold of their IPs and make some good games out of them because Ubisoft is clearly not interested in doing so

FishFace,

Misinformation. An article not as blatantly trying to manipulate people: ign.com/…/ubisoft-exec-says-gamers-need-to-get-co…

Daveyborn,
@Daveyborn@lemmy.world avatar

Its wild the difference 5 words make for a headline

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t make a difference. He still wants you to get comfortable with that. It doesn’t matter how he dresses up his sentences his thought process is the same, thats how he got to CEO.

FishFace,

The point of the dishonest article is to make you believe the CEO feels entitled to gamers becoming OK with subscription models. What he actually feels is a hope that subscription models will take off. It’s rage-bait. Did it work?

grue,

…you believe the CEO feels entitled to gamers becoming OK with subscription models. What he actually feels is a hope that subscription models will take off

That sounds like a distinction without a difference to me.

FierroGamer,

As I said, I didn’t read that one, but I feel like it did do something to you so probably yes.

WillBalls,

But he’s not CEO. He’s the director of subscriptions at ubi, so of course he’s going to push this line of thinking; his job depends on it!

The good news is that Ubisoft’s stock fell ~10% once this soundbite took off, so hopefully other publishers read the room

FierroGamer,

Thanks, I just linked the first article I found assuming it would be enough to get the point across, did it say something incorrect?

deweydecibel, (edited )

People keep pointing this out like it’s some kind of misinformation.

The Ubisoft executive is saying gamers need to get comfortable not owning their games before subscription services will take off.

The Ubisoft executive would also very much like subscription services to take off.

QED the Ubisoft executive is saying “I’d really like gamers to get used to idea of not owning their games so our subscription service can take off”.

It comes back to the same thing: Ubisoft is saying aloud what they want the future of gaming to be.

And please don’t tell me you’re giving them the benefit of the doubt, here.

The problem is people apparently haven’t figured out yet how to read what the CEO of a for-profit company means when they say shit publicly about their services. Learn to read between the lines.

FishFace,

There’s a mile of difference between saying “consumers need to get comfortable not owning their games” and “we want consumers to get comfortable not owning their games (but using subscription services instead)”.

The former statement is extremely arrogant. The latter is just obvious. And it’s reasonable even if you or I personally don’t want to get our games on a subscription model - millions of people get their music through Spotify and it suits them just fine even though other people don’t want that. So it’s a way of straw-manning the people pushing subscriptions so you can hate them.

leave_it_blank,

So you only buy a license? Like on Steam, Epic, and all the others? Shocking.

I think modern gamers are comfortable with this, they just haven’t realised it yet.

Or they buy on gog. Then they really have ownership.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Oh they expanded that? I remember when it was just “You will own nothing”.

qaz, (edited )

The saying comes from an opinion piece that was sponsored by the WEF. You can read more about it on the Wikipedia page. The article presented a future where the climate problem was fixed because the entire economy was based on services instead of the production of goods. It certainly has some elements that could work, but also has relied heavily on the neoliberal “the market will fix it” mentality.

sbv,

Are streaming services that different from cable TV? You’re paying for access to new content. If you want specific content to own, don’t they all let you buy them? I know I was able to buy GoT discs when I wasn’t willing to pay for an HBO subscription. Has that changed?

JJROKCZ,

Difference is that most games made anymore are online access dependent even if they aren’t dedicated multiplayer only games. What happens when subscriptions get so low that upkeep is unprofitable? You lose access to a game that you’ve paid a lot of money for, for no good reason as online isn’t necessary but the studios rarely patch it out at game sunset

echo64,

yup, the very popular stuff you can usually (but not always) buy on disk. the less popular stuff you can sometimes (but not often) buy on disk if the creator really pushes for it

UltraMagnus0001,

The HP guy said it out loud about their printers

ByGourou, in I should figure out how myself

He said that for subscriptions to be more popular, people need to be “more comfortable with not owning their games”. People always forget the first part, if you take the whole quote, he’s right.
He didn’t say he wanted that to happen. But he probably do, so fuck Ubisoft and him.
I just don’t like how the whole internet built a narrative around an out of context quote.

renzev, in Why the hell did that stop

Recently switched from a certain predatory fruity phone to a phone from a certain Dutch manufacturer that has removable battery and replaceable parts. At some point, it got water damaged, and the charging circuit stopped working. While I’m waiting for the replacement part to arrive, I can continue using it by charging the battery with a bench power supply. Feels good man!

practisevoodoo,

Come on, give us a name. I need to replace my phone and something repairable appeals.

hexortor,

Probably the fairphone

sbv, in It's just a coffee

I get that services need to pay for staff/servers/production, so I’m fine with small monthly fees. I’d much rather pay than sit through ads.

Once a subscription creeps over six or seven bucks a month I’m gonna reevaluate it and start cutting.

It really annoys me that newspapers charge the same for digital and paper subscriptions.

SexyTimeSasquatch,

You’re paying for the content in the case of the newspapers. It is a similar cost to print on newsprint as to run a website. It saves them no money. Most of what you are paying for is for the journalism, writing, editing, etc. Content costs money.

li10,

Exactly. The reason I cancel my subscriptions is because there’s been a nosedive in content that I enjoy, which has tipped the scales to it costing more than it’s worth to me.

I’ve moved to a Plex setup, but even then I don’t watch many shows at all. The ones I do watch are all on different platforms though, so it would be X many subscriptions just to watch the few shows I like.

sbv, (edited )

That’s counterintuitive, do you have a source for that?

EDIT: googling around, I don’t see any obvious answers.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

That definitely depends on which news outlet we’re talking about.

skizzles,

This is the point here.

Many people have no idea of the infrastructure and costs needed to run many of these servers that provide services to people.

I disagree with things like Adobe basically using it for DRM but have no issue for services that are literally serving millions of people and providing something worthwhile that the majority of the population would otherwise not know how to do on their own.

There is some nuance to it, like offering a service and then slowly creeping costs up or adding an advertisement tier and dropping everyone to that etc is crap. But in general, if they are providing a decent service then I don’t really have a problem with it.

JJROKCZ,

I agree that ongoing infrastructure costs money, but several years of that should be included in the original estimate and pricing for the sale of the product. Plan for the sale price being cost to make+5 years of estimated maintenance for base product+profit margin. Then extend maintenance with each DLC if any. If no dlc then offer subscription to pay for servers and other infrastructure, if subscriptions fail to cover that then sunset the product but open source the server infrastructure so the community can pay to run it if desired.

uis, in Why the hell did that stop
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

EU, I belive in you!

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

The EU, despite (valid) criticisms and pravacy mis-steps, is right now the only large, powerful organization fighting for consumer rights. I wish I, as an American, could support them, because the laws the EU is passing benefit me as well.

Go EU, indeed!

Iron_Lynx, in It's just a coffee

I like to apply some business logic to it.

  • I expect to use the product or functionality provided by x on a regular basis
  • The use of x has no added utility
  • The functionality and/or feature set (e.g. content) of x may degrade significantly without warning and/or recourse
  • Unavailability of x is likely to render it completely useless

If most of these conditions can be regularly sufficiently true, then searching an alternative that incorporates proper ownership is a good course of action.

CorrodedCranium, in It's just a coffee
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

How else are you going to get underwear?

Exusia, in It's just a coffee
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

Yo ho/All hands/Hoist the colors high

LinkOpensChest_wav,

“Yo ho, fiddle-dee dee, a [REDACTED_DUE_TO_LEMMY.WORLD_POLICY]'s life for me!”

but also

“Having fun isn’t hard if you have a library card!”

I’ve been checking out so many good shows and movies from my local public library

ilinamorato,

The library feels like it should be illegal somehow. It’s SO GOOD.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

I’m shocked they’re still legal.

bobs_monkey,

Give them time

ilinamorato,

There would be SUCH a revolt from authors if publishers tried to do something to legislate libraries away that I doubt any new books would be released for decades.

anarchy79, (edited )
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no. Everyone knows The Party fears a revolt of academics and intellectuals more than anything. My man, they’re always the first ones to go.

“You can judge the degree of civilization by looking at who is imprisoned” / Dostojevskij

ilinamorato,

Who’s talking about imprisonment? I’m talking about another writer’s strike, leaving publishers with nothing to publish for months or years. With their margins already razor-thin, they have to know that they’d just be done if they tried any funny business.

Randomgal, in Sad but quite true :(

I have a 2:1 rule. If I start a conversation with you two times, I won’t talk to you again. Until you take the initiative the third time.

arudesalad, in I'm starting to think it's a conspiracy to waste otherwise productive people's time.

Lemmy’s most political users vs the world’s largest screen

finestnothing, (edited ) in It's just a coffee

The only subscriptions I am willing to pay for:

Phone bill - no choice
Internet bill - no choice
Insurance - no choice
World of Warcraft - sue me
Costco membership - worth it
VPN - worth it

I don’t pay for any others. Paid for lifetime Plex for the convenience of not needing to pay for a website domain like I would for jellyfin, and self host my own music, tv, and movies

ilinamorato,

Costco membership - worth it

Just got my Executive Membership rebate. It more than paid for the membership. We’re basically shopping at Costco for free.

Noved, (edited )
@Noved@lemmy.ca avatar

Furthermore, Costco employees will never push you to get the executive membership, if your previous year did not have enough spending on it to at least pay back the difference.

We actually had the Costco customer service Tell us to cancel our executive membership, because we didn’t earn enough over the year

grue,

If somebody doesn’t shop at Costco enough to justify the executive membership, I’m not sure the regular membership would be justified either.

jaybone,

But you could get so many hotdogs!!??!!

Actually I understand you can get the Hot Dogs without the membership. Which also blows my mind. Thry should just compete with Weinerschnitzel.

ilinamorato,

That’s kind of what we were thinking, too, which is why we went with it. We are a family of six, which means that we’re always going to buy big quantities of stuff somewhere; might as well be at Costco.

jaybone,

I use jellyfin without paying for a domain…?

finestnothing,

I stream my Plex server to my parents and inlaws so local and wireguard only isn’t feasible

Tenthrow,
@Tenthrow@lemmy.world avatar

3 of those are services. Most subscription shit we see these days are products that they want us to treat like services even though there is no on going consumption. All of these software subscription services are just grifts.

ScreaminOctopus,

The only thing he listed that isn’t a service is his Costco membership.

Clanket, (edited )

I’ll pay you 3 quid a month for read access to your server.

Ha just kidding, fuck subscriptions

cyborganism, in It's just a coffee

Honestly, if the service respects my privacy and isn’t littered with ads, I don’t mind paying at all. Like I wouldn’t mind paying a monthly fee for services provided by Proton, for example, for email, online storage, vpn, etc. I think it’s fair. There’s a lot of infrastructure behind it and employees. Things don’t just run by themselves for free.

But when I pay for a subscription and they publish ads as well for extra income, not only does it make my experience unpleasant, but it’s incredibly greedy. And when I get charged for a service that exploits all my private data to create a user profile that can be sold and used to push targeted ads and other fake information with the goal of changing my opinion on important democratic topics, then that’s when I start completely avoiding that service altogether.

Vinny_93, in Fucking blue ticks

If only there was a way to turn those off

li10, in Sad but quite true :(

Sometimes that’s okay.

As long as it’s not overly one sided and they do engage when you message them, don’t overthink it.

If it’s really that one sided then it should just naturally fizzle out without much thought. Either way, it’s not worth worrying about.

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