“Scheming EU states” is a total flame bait headline. The UK is not part of the EU, so why should they be included in any of this? They should be HAPPY about the EU not “meddling” with their “freedom”!
The UK doesn’t need to be part of this really, there’s one link to mainland Europe (the channel tunnel) and the rest should just be sensible UK road and rail network planning. NI and Ireland already have ways to cooperate when it comes to planning transport on the Ireland of Island.
I say “in theory” because our government just scrapped HS2 phase 2, so our rail network is going to continue to be shit for years.
Not only that, but there are also two arrows on this map going into the UK. It’s up to the UK to take care of how well these arrows connect to important locations within their borders. There really doesn’t appear to be an issue whatsoever.
These arrows already exist! The France one is the English tunnel and the Ireland one is there because they need to make Ireland feel like one island. The uk dont have much control over how well they connect to their border. I think the uk would have benefited from this plan as they seem to be having problems with trains
Not really, though? There are no development plans for the new railways in the UK and furthermore the entirety of the UK is greyed out but all the independent area of Ireland is part of the map.
Listen, I’m not defending the article written by people who supported Brexit then got mad about how much of a shit deal Brexit is for them, but the point of the above comment is that the maps include arrows connecting to UK Railways, but that’s besides the point because the larger context of the discussion is about how a massive Railway Expansion project completely excludes the UK. It’s completely moot and irrelevant to talk about the existing railways.
the UK cannot be included, because they aren’t a Schengen-member and the EU doesn’t want customs checks on their train lines…
it’s entirely up to the UK what they do with their rails within their borders.
and as was already pointed out:
there already IS a connection between the EU and the UK!!
the new plans are largely for connections between capitals of EU countries and major population centers, both of which already have rail connections in the UK.
so what do you expect the EU to do about the rail network in the UK?
Yes the rails are connected, but you should not be arguing to me that this means the UK is part of the plan when it very clearly isn’t. You’re arguing on both sides right now, I don’t think you’re in the right state of mind.
I can’t tell if you’re lost or trolling. If you go up this thread to the comment I first replied to:
Not only that, but there are also two arrows on this map going into the UK. It’s up to the UK to take care of how well these arrows connect to important locations within their borders. There really doesn’t appear to be an issue whatsoever.
and this is in a discussion about the EU’s renovated railway plans centered around TransEuropean Landmark transport. It also has arrows pointing into Ukraine and Belarus, but that doesn’t mean any of those countries are included in the plans.
I also want to stress again, since many of you seem easily confused, I think the UK SHOULD be responsible for their own railway improvements building upon the plans of the EU by themselves, since that’s the logical conclusion of Brexit, but it makes no sense to say they’re part of the plan when they’re not part of the plan.
The arrows are just a way to represent linking of the network beyond the EU borders. No one is saying the arrows mean UK or Ukraine or Belarus is included in the plan.
Huh? Apologies for being slow but what is your point?
My neighbour redid their driveway, it completely excludes my driveway, obviously. We used to share a driveway mind you and we could have shared the cost of whe work on both our driveway but I got uptight because he let brown people use both our driveways. I told him driveways first, my driveway is losing its identity due to all the brown people and I got the whole neighbourhood to vote against shared driveways.
Pretty fucking cunty of him to only redo his driveway now though innit?
There is no point in mentioning that the rails are connected in a discussion about the UK not being part of the plan. It’s just silly. It’s like talking about changes to cars and one person in the conversation starts talking about how the wheels have been the same for 14 years now.
It’s wild to me how America, UK, and Canada are dealing with these idiotic right wing extremists or fans. It did not go well in the states, is still not going well, but people in other countries are all agreeing that yeah now is the time to be loud, racist, shitholes who make life worse for everyone with their stupidity??? What the fuuuck
And you’d think at the latest when the Brexit happens and totally fucked up logistics, industry and the already ailing healthcare in the UK, the right-wing voters might have realized “Oh wait, maybe the people we’ve been voting for us have been lying and it was rather obvious with how they didn’t want to be associated with the shit they made us vote for after it actually worked out and they won the vote”. Nope. They’re proud of it. All the mean mean evil EU now being mean to lil’ ol’ England out of pure spite. Aye.
(to be fair we already did that a long time ago when we banished them to a damp, sad and depressing island in the north sea)
I heard on the radio this morning the government singing their own praises after reintroducing pint size bottles of wine. A “Brexit benefit”. This is after 99% of those surveyed said they wanted metric sizes. 99%!
Step 1) blame everyone else for everything that’s wrong. Step 2) promise all the good things if only people vote for you. If they are actually gullible enough to do that we come to step 3) grab all the wealth you can and shift it to your cronies, smash anything too heavy to carry off and leave the opposition in a smouldering ruin that you can then again blame and berate the next government for.
You know how the right-wing nutjobs have been frothing about a “new world order” conspiracy theory for a long time now? You know, the one about a secretive multinational cabal plotting to take over the entire world?
Every since the thought occurred to me I can’t stop thinking about it. There is just this entire class of people out there who do no real work, are paid money to tell us how they should be running things, and whose only plan in running things is to take something that works and break it.
If that idiotic and corrosive Brexit campaign had been defeated, the headline might be screaming how scheming EU nations drag the UK into their expensive transport plans.
Also the same mindless parrots on their tellys and newspapers would be mindlessly arguing the point, tossing out word salads, exactly as they would with the EU making their plans and keeping the UK out of them.
Meanwhile, non-voters who could have made a difference will be just as idiotic on polling day: “Politics is for wankers/both parties are the same. Shall we go for drinks?”
Apparently initial proposals for this pre-date brexit by 26 years.
This is a Daily Express article. Utter trash, right wing yellow journalism. Rabidly pro-brexit, endorsed Liz Truss for PM. You know, the weird cheese lady who was outlasted by a lettuce.
Obviously brexit isn't going so well and neither is the latest tory PM, so it's time for their daily article about how the foreigners done ruined Engerland.
Part of Schengen, part of the European Free Trade Association, signed a lot of bilateral treaties and enacted a lot of EU legislation, contributed to EU projects.
The Swiss electorate voted against becoming part of the EU, but the EU's a huge market so Switzerland is quite integrated with the EU while still being independent.
Norway isn't part of the EU either, but they're in a similar position as Switzerland, which is probably why they're also part of this proposal.
Switzerland is also a lot more integrated than GB. Remember when we discussed hard vs. soft brexit? Soft Brexit would have left GB in a similar state like Switzerland and Norway. But we got a hard brexit.
Nonsense. We should swap it with Scotland, since both are beautiful mountainous countries with reasonably similar land areas and population, but on the whole Scots want to be in the EU and Switzerlanders don't
There is this saying ‘people are not islands’ to mean people are interconnected with each other. The literal sense being applied by the last decade and by extension the last semicentennial is weird. The EU is a federation and any country can leave, but I still think Brexit was a mistake.
Switzerland participates in Schengen and the european free trade association while not being an EU member state. The UK doesn't do any of those things.
I get it, and lol or whatever, but Ireland is getting two ferries(?) from entirety of the mainland, and the UK is still connected via the tunnel which looks to be a major link-hub for the new system. I guess if it weren’t for Brexit there might have been an Edinburgh-Amsterdam or -Brussels link, but it’s not like Aberdeen or New Castle was going to get any love.
I believe we have two ferries going from east Scotland to Amsterdam and Bruges (or somewhere nearby) starting shortly. We also have Fred Olsen cruises from Scottish ports now too.
Not defending brexit before I get pitchforked but we aren’t exactly cut off…
'Merica ; " why won’t EU take care of our homeless population and adopt them / refugee them to EU? I mean… We gave them like military bases n guns n shit… come on !
So the EU isn’t allowed to cooperate with a country (that’s at least part of the single market and contiguous continent), because they saw no value in including Britain, and that was a scheming betrayal?
I don’t think that they’re refusing to cooperate. I think they’re looking after their own members and why wouldn’t they? Are you suggesting that they give the same benefits to member states as non-member states? If so, why wouldn’t everyone leave?
Are you going to adress that you don’t know the difference between Austria and Switzerland or am I just getting suckered in to feeding the troll? Coz if you’re trolling then you’re actually very funny but I’m probably too autistic to tell.
It said ‘Australia’, not ‘Austria’. You know, ‘Australia’…the one in Oceania. Probably highlighting the ridiculousness of a country so removed from the continet feeling slighted for not being included in plans for the EU.
Ferries are pretty nice, we recently used them for a NL -> EN -> WA -> IE -> SCO -> NL trip and they were nice. Some of them had plenty of entertainment and felt quite nice, others a bit more run down but still fine. The best was taking the overnight ones, you sleep on board and disembark fresh and ready to go in the morning at your destination and costs less than having a separate hotel night.
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