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Rudee, in I have trust issues when researching

Acting like either side is blameless is the issue. Yes, the Bolsheviks committed atrocities, and yes, the Royalists before them committed atrocities, and yes, the US is steeped in atrocities.

Rudee,

BUT, the very people @Prunebutt cited were advocates of violent changes to established oppression. Their critiques of the Bolsheviks stemmed from ongoing mismanagement and oppression.

Contemporary America had very similar civil rights violations, with the main difference being that the US government was an established authority, while the Bolsheviks were only recently established. Attempting a worker’s strike in the US got people killed; attempting something like the Kronstadt rebellion in the US would have been an even worse bloodbath than the original.

Aggravationstation, in When your landlord says no dogs allowed.

Did the landlord sing “no dogs allowed, but sheep are cool” like in the Snoopy cartoons?

bennypr0fane, in don't know, don't care
EherVielleicht,

Just 600 more to go!

Update: 594

pewgar_seemsimandroid, in Double standards or something, I don't know...

Palestine needs a state and so does Israel

Omega_Haxors,

Broke: Two-state solution

Woke: One-state solution

Bespoke: Zero-state solution

MyPornViewingAccount, in don't know, don't care

If we’re being truthful, Satan is supposed to be punished in hell too, its only modern works that portray him as the one ‘ruling’ and dishing it out to people in hell.

ArbitraryValue,

Paradise Lost is from 1667.

QuantumSparkles,

Well that concept isn’t in the Bible and even if it were then 1667 would still be somewhat “contemporary” compared to when the Christian scriptures were supposedly written. Of course I say all that as if any of it is real or matters anyway lol

praise_idleness,

Thank you for the input, /u/MyPornViewingAccount.

MyPornViewingAccount,

Lmao youre welcome. Its what i get for not swapping

EherVielleicht,

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seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If we’re really being truthful, none of that stuff’s in the Bible.

tpihkal,

What is “none of that stuff”? Both Satan and Hell are in the Bible.

Lightor,

They mention it a lot, but never say what it is beyond it having fire that never goes out, some passage in Matthew.

Christians have just ran away with some ideas, just like with pro-life, just like with the devil, just like with most of the religion. You decide what you want to believe and twist the Bible to back it up.

tpihkal,

Not sure why I’m being down voted. You’ve reaffirmed my statement.

Lightor,

Well when someone says something like Hell, a huge fixture of the religion, is in their holy book they just expect more than a sentence or two.

Ghoti_,

Almost the entirety of hell was made up by Dante Alegeri

SzethFriendOfNimi,
@SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world avatar

You can find it here. Along with a scathing rebuke to those who wear the name Christian and yet are so full of hate they refuse to do any of these things.

Matthew 25:41-46 (NKJV)

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Well, that’s embarrassing. I thought for sure that was one of those things that was created from extra-biblical sources.

This really makes me wonder about those Christians who claim that it’s faith, not works, that gets you into Heaven. This seems like a strong argument for the opposite.

rustyricotta,

Indeed. To quote more of the bible:

James 2:26 (kjv) “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

cujo,
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The argument is that it’s faith that gets you into heaven, but the proof of true faith is found in works. If you claim to be faithful but do not do good works, your faith is dead.

Somerefriedbeans,

Well unfortunately the majority of Christians believe that simply believing in Jesus grants them access. Who needs morals when you can just ask for forgiveness every time you do bad thing 🤷

flamingo_pinyata,

Biblical Satan is a role, not a person. I’ve seen it translated as “opponent” or “rival”. Something like a “devil’s advocate” in catholic church - person or entity who tests somebody’s faith.

And Lucifer is again a completely different character, not related to Satan until much later.

MonkderZweite,

Why does faith need to be tested?

flamingo_pinyata,

Christians seem to love the concept. The idea is if you keep believing if seriously challenged, it means you are a true believer.

MonkderZweite,

The height of stupidity and evil.

XEAL,

“opponent” or “rival”

Aaand that’s the interpretation The Church of Satan takes. They’re atheists and don’t believe in Satan as an entity.

Pat_Riot,
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You’re thinking of The Satanic Temple. CoS is a theistic organization started by Anton Lavey. They worship a literal Satan.

synae,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs/

Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists.

captainlezbian,

The devils advocate in Catholicism is something very specific and not at all that. In order for someone to be determined a Saint there’s more or less a trial. One side presents arguments that say the individual has met the criteria by which one can be determined a Saint. The other side, which is called the devils advocate, attempts to poke holes in it and presents arguments by which the individual hasn’t met those conditions. They’ll do things like bring up sins and character flaws that persisted into the individual’s saintly period, as well as attempt to disprove any miracles the individual is said to have committed.

MuffinHeeler,

Is that the origin of devils advocate?

That is super interesting if so

orphiebaby,

Not a bad take, clearly can be read that way in the English. But I don’t read Greek, so I can’t tell you one way or the other.

Johanno,

I didn’t read the Bible fully but as far as I know there are only very few mentions of satan/devil and stuff.

666 the number of the beast.

A story about a guys faith and a bet between god and the devil.

The fall of lucifer the angle (not linked to either above)

And maybe the devil is mentioned in a few more sentences but not more.

superduperenigma,

Actually, Satan is always described as being on earth. In Genesis, Lucifer is cast down to earth, not hell. In Job Satan tells God he’s passing by during his comings and goings on earth. In the Gospels, Satan tempts Jesus in the desert.

JohnDClay,

Revelation 19 says the beast (maybe satan?) will be thrown into the lake of fire, and Rev 20 says the same for Satan.

superduperenigma,

Sounds like they’re not in the lake of fire then, considering nothing in revelations has come to pass.

JohnDClay,

Just not always described as on earth.

Fades,

Hell is not biblical

Lifebandit666, (edited )

If you listen to the Yazidis he was sent to Hell for defying God by not bowing down to us humans, his greatest work, despite God telling Satan to never bow to anyone because he was made of God’s essence rather than us, made in his likeness.

So he went to Hell for 10 000 years until his tears put out the fires of Hell, then God forgave him. He also rewarded him for honoring his original pact with God and was given Dominion over Earth.

He took this Dominion and gave us Humans “Knowledge” like the Serpent in the Garden of Eden, only the Knowledge was of Farming.

Thing is, the Yazidis live awefully close to what is thought to be the birthplace of Farming.

When asked to describe Satan, they described him as a Peacock holding a sheaf of Wheat in it’s beak, the same image found in Gobekli Tepe, which is thought to be a shrine that taught Farming to the world.

Hail Satan.

Edit: this is just my understanding after reading an article or 2 on the subject, I’m probably wrong about loads of it, but it’s all just stories anyway so who cares?

Daqu,

That’s super interesting, thanks!

Fades, in don't know, don't care

Pretty sure that’s not how it works

radioactiveradio, in The bomb to worry about

No shit, that shit hits the sack, you’re dead. Source: I used to play cricket in highschool.

tslnox, in This sh*t is bananas
sharkfucker420, in Different flag, same ideology
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Homie I get what youre saying, Israel is a oppressive state and should be treated as such but calling them nazis is not a good look simply because it sounds stupid to call Jewish people nazis. Just call them fascists like the rest of us

Jonas_Jones, in anyone?
@Jonas_Jones@lemmy.world avatar

me who is constantly prompted to download it and even if I wanted couldn’t, since I live in Europe ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

Oka, in This sh*t is bananas

I’m allergic to bananas. I ate them all my life, but in the last couple years, they give me neusea.

bighatchester, in anyone?

Just looked to see what was happening with threads and they like 80% of its users .

Astroturfed,

They clearly came to market too early. Trying to time the death of twitter. The 5-10 minutes I spent on that shit was enough to see how broken it was and how many features were missing. You can’t come to market with a broken product in a space that requires exponential growth and the network effect to achieve success.

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Zuckerberg had the same problem with his metaverse idea.

Although, to be fair, I don’t know if there really is a way to make that idea successful. Like flying cars, 3D interfaces are cool in sci-fi but impractical in real life

tdawg,

I think VR will eventually find a home in games and video conferencing. BUT it will have to be ridiculously good before people are willing to put on a helmet for it

tdawg, in That's some good shit

“wonder what that up/down ratio is for that weird guy…”

robocall, in Let them eat cake?
@robocall@lemmy.world avatar

No one can force me to take vitamin d supplements!!

Waluigi, in That's some good shit

Hello why are you inside of my brain

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