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ElleChaise, in It's all downhill from here

Hank doesn't look like a boomer anymore. Cotton does. Boomers are 70+ year olds now. Weird.

EnderMB,

Hank is also mostly a product of his environment, yet a caring father that accepts his family for who they are. If all boomers were like Hank Hill, we’d all be happy.

intensely_human,

That’s the situation for all of us: we are products of our environment, then we get to make some choices.

pigup,

I wouldn’t say he fully accepts Bobby given that he often remarks "that boy ain’t right "

Anticorp,

Well, he ain’t.

SpaceMan9000,

It mostly comes from a point of not understanding Bobby. That boy might not be right in his eyes but he loves and supports him. Even if he should know more about propane and propane accessories.

Kecessa, (edited )

King of the Hill started in 1997, Hank is 41, that means he would have been born in 1956 of the series is taking place at the same time it started (there’s a millennium episode so that pretty much confirms it), it’s just an issue of characters not aging in animated series.

Pogbom,

I think that’s what the person above was saying… it’s just funny that boomers now are actually Cotton’s age.

Subverb,

I’m 59; born in 1964. Unfortunately, I was born in the last year of the Boomers.

Moneo,

No shame in being a boomer.

NotSoCoolWhip,

Only shame in being an asshole

intensely_human,

There’s no shame in being shameless

TheWanderer, in A+ Student

Bery nice anti meme 👍. I give it a π/π

PhinaryDivision,

I give it a 4π radians

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Mmmmmm… Floor pie…

snor10,

A perfect π/7

lseif,

you rate it 1? :(

StalfoSpork, in It's not fair

Ah yes because butches and the like are famously accepted by their family and peers and never subjected to sexual harassment that tries to “fix” them

Lux,

Everyone has different experiences, but this post pretty much perfectly shows how people act where i live. There arent really any types of clothes that women aren’t “supposed” to wear, but men get a lot of weird looks if they wear skirts, frills or anything not seen as “masculine”

StalfoSpork,

Fair tho just because you personally don’t see it doesn’t mean this doesn’t happen to other people. There’s way worse things you can get besides weird looks

norbert,
@norbert@kbin.social avatar

Bro I see girls with short hair wearing boots all the time and nobody bats an eye. The second a dude in a dress walks by everyone stares and whispers. There's worse things that can happen to a guy in a dress than weird looks too, and I'd wager they're more likely to happen.

rosymind,

My husband pointed out that certain items like sneakers, backpacks and scrubs are either unisex or women’s. Many other items are that way, too. A men’s watch might be large on a woman’s wrist but no-one would really think twice. A tiny pink watch on a man’s wrist would likely garner more attention (depending on where you are in the western world, of course)

deweydecibel, (edited )

Honestly I think the pink would draw more attention than the size of the watch in that example. Most people aren’t paying close enough attention to others’ wristwear to notice size.

I think there are certain traditionally “masculine” things that would draw more attention than others if a woman wore them, but I’m struggling to think of any that would cause actual upset. You still hear the occasional grumble about women in business suits from time to time, to spite women’s cut suits having been a thing for decades, but that’s mostly well accepted now.

Tuxedo, maybe? They cut them for women too, but that one feels like it’s mostly still in the male category because its opposite is often expected in certain formal settings. A women showing up to something formal in a tux and not a dress would probably still do it today, depending on the event and the people in attendance.

Like imagine a ball or some other bougie shit where a husband and wife both show up in tuxes.

Cethin,

I think certain styles of hats are still exclusive to men mostly. I think that’s more because wearing hats went out of fashion rather than it being an issue though. I’m sure if people started wearing hats more often, those styles would be worn by either gender, but women’s hats would probably still exclusively be women’s.

rosymind,

I think a tux cut to a woman’s form can be super sexy.

I also think men should rock pink more often :)

Kusimulkku,

I don’t know about butches but women wearing male clothing is just an everyday thing where I live. So much so that a lot of male clothes are just unisex clothes. Not so for women’s clothing

StalfoSpork,

If it’s considered unisex then it’s not women wearing men’s clothes it’s women wearing unisex clothes which is different than what I’m saying

Kusimulkku,

They became “unisex” (often still labeled men’s clothes and on men’s section of the store) because so many women used them.

StalfoSpork,

So they’re still seen as unisex. Also what was the reaction before they were considered unisex? Oh yeah not great. Women were banned from wearing pants in various places for a long time and women wearing men’s clothes dealt with hate. Look up people like Marlene Dietrich

Kusimulkku,

It’s unisex because of how common it was and still is. Meaning there’s no issue about it since there basically isn’t male clothing anymore.

I guess what I’m wondering about is what sort of clothes these butches are wearing to cause issues?

blanketswithsmallpox, (edited )

Ah yes because butches and the like are famously accepted by their family and peers and never subjected to sexual harassment that tries to “fix” them

… That’s not what the meme is about. The meme is about being aggressively in your face about your fashion choice lol.

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

How can happen when you haven’t left mom’s basement since August 2019?

Makeitstop, in It's not fair

Guys, do yourself a favor and get a kilt. You will never want to go back. I stopped wearing pants years ago.

Cethin,

I really want to wear kilts, but decent ones are really expensive and I don’t want to spend that money on something I might not like (or more specifically I might not like bad attention from, because I do sadly care about that).

EatYouWell,

I live in rural Texas, and no one has said a word about my kilt so far. Not even any weird looks.

medvedev, (edited )

Unironically, kilt was actually originally worn by man. (Outside of england ofc)

EatYouWell,

Kilts are specifically men’s clothing, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

prole,

Yeah, no shit?

Kusimulkku,

I feel like I’d get too cold with one

EatYouWell,

Yeah, society got it wrong when it made men wear pants and women skirts. Just from an anatomical perspective.

LetterboxPancake,

Give us kilt novices tips! Where to start, where to buy, what to buy, shave? Commando? High socks?

EatYouWell,

Remember, go up 2-4 inches from your pants size when buying a kilt. So, if you wear a size 32 pants, get a size 36 kilt. Their waist measurements are actually your waist measurement.

Also, the patterns have specific meanings. No one in the US is going to care, but if you go to Scotland someone may address you by the last name the pattern represents (they’re like family crests). There are generic patterns out there, though.

Makeitstop,

You can find relatively cheap ones online. Damn near kilt em is one I can vouch for as a good first kilt. Or stillwater kilts for something cheap and more traditional looking.

The number one thing to know when buying is that you need to actually measure yourself. Pants lie, kiltmakers generally don’t.

If you want something a little nicer, there are plenty of businesses that make kilts to measure. My last few came from alpha kilts, but I think they quit. Alt.kilt does crazy custom stuff. Utilikilt is probably the most famous one, though I’ve never actually tried theirs.

There’s whole communities online for this stuff. I used to get reviews and find new stores on xmarksthescot.

If you get a contemporary kilt, meaning pockets and modern style, you just need a belt. If you go traditional tartan you probably need a sporran or some other kind of bag or pouch since they don’t have pockets. Traditional kilts also typically use a kilt pin to add weight to the front apron to keep it from blowing around too easily.

Tall socks are good formal wear or cold weather. I am a very casual guy and an arctic creature, so I usually just wear closed toe sandals. But if you live in a cold place and need to stay warm, a full size “9 yard” kilt will do the trick, it creates a pocket of warm air, and the legs being together gives it a mitten effect.

You can go commando (aka going regimental, because in highland regiments underwear is considered out of uniform), but I don’t recommend it. For one thing, you don’t know fear until you’ve been caught in a gust of 50 mph wind while walking past a school playground on a day that you decided to save time by forgoing underwear, and now you are desperately holding down all sides of a lightweight kilt and trying not to end up on sex offender registry. But on a much more mundane level, it’s also just a lot easier to keep your kilt clean when it isn’t directly touching your junk or your crack. I wear briefs but I go up a couple sizes, so that the elastic still holds them up but they hang off me when I’m standing, which feels like I’m wearing nothing at all.

Of course, if anyone asks what’s worn under the kilt, you have lots of options:

  • Nothing’s worn, it’s all in excellent condition.
  • If you want to find out it will cost you dinner and a movie first.
  • Shoes
  • On a good day, lipstick
LetterboxPancake,

I joked before, but your excellent answer made me seriously consider buying a kilt. I need to find out how the supply situation is here in Germany. Or I’ll ask the seamstress that made my ex wife’s wedding dress, she’s working for the theater in my city as well. Maybe she’d like a challenge.

Thank you 💖

EatYouWell, (edited )

Amazon sells good quality ones. I just got one through their “try then buy” program.

Or, use Amazon to find good brands and buy directly from them.

KoalaUnknown,

Nah get a mini skirt and thigh highs to assert dominance over the other girls.

EmoBean,

I wish I could wear miniskirts, my balls hang too low when it’s hot.

ColonelSanders,

Hawt

superduperenigma,

If I just lookup some Rust programming tutorials will the mini skirts and thigh highs come naturally?

EatYouWell,

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shalafi,

I got a couple and usually don’t like 'em. Outside in the heat is great though!

Cethin,

Ironically, their Scottish where it’s cold. A wool kilt would probably solve your issues for the cold.

EatYouWell,

You’d need some knee high socks to go with it, though.

hungryphrog,

Fuck pants, tunics and kilts rule.

Jesse,

What are fuck pants? If they rule as much as kilts and tunics I want some.

EatYouWell,

They have a permanently open fly.

LetterboxPancake,

Remember those Adidas pants you could open on the sides? We called those “Schnellfickerhosen” (Quick/Fast fucker pants) in Germany.

ArmokGoB,

Chaps

Fish,

I already wear a jock strap. How much more comfortable can I get?

EatYouWell,

Way more comfortable.

Also, thongs are the solution to swamp-ass. Get some good wool ones and you’ll never look back.

Perhapsjustsniffit,

I wear a kilt every single day. I love them. I don’t even own pants anymore. I’m almost 50 and my "give a fuck what other people think"is used up.

Lemminary, (edited ) in Every goddamn time I'm trying to make something for my DnD game

Is this the latest hate trend? Is it that time of the year again?

jbk,

How can one even get annoyed this much by WebP lol

balderdash9,

It supports transparency like PNGs, and animations like GIFs, and is generally not a bad format on its own due to its balance of quality and file size.

The issue is that support for it is lacking; a large number of major media applications don’t have any WebP functionality, meaning that an image being WebP format only adds an irritating extra step where you have to convert it to PNG to use it. The other issue is that the adoption of the format online is disproportionately high, compared to its adoption by major app developers. It’s bizarrely common to download an image, only to find that you can’t use it because your software (I.e. Photoshop, Clip Studio, OBS) doesn’t support it, so now you have to either convert it to PNG somehow or hunt down a new file that isn’t a WebP. For visual artists of all kinds, this is a tremendous pain in the ass, and it’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t need to be that way in the first place.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

at this point i will take any open image format newer than png

AgentGrimstone,

When it affects your workflow at your job.

recapitated,

The reason half of us have jobs is because of workflows being affected by things

kilgore_trout,

I love you.

recapitated,

Haha you too thanks champ

sebinspace,

libwebp

SlopppyEngineer,

By having a sheltered and otherwise empty life.

recapitated,

Tis the season for strong weird opinions and needing someone else’s website to run imagemagick commands for you.

Kusimulkku,

Where have you been for the last few years lol

Lemminary, (edited )

Uhh… Building apps and websites and converting images to and from webp without much of an issue. It’s kind of weird to hear about this hate on webp given that it’s a great tool. But considering it’s a Google product and that I’m kind of new to the Fediverse, it now makes sense that I missed the hate altogether. I’ve yet to meet another fellow dev with strong opinions on it.

Kusimulkku,

I’ve seen it all around. People dislike it because (I’m guessing) it’s Google’s and because not everything supports it. Used to be worse of course. Over at 4chan they hate it because you can’t upload WebP there (but you can WebM, which is interesting).

Thcdenton, in Let me load it

Fuck you I’m buffering.

Prethoryn,
@Prethoryn@lemmy.world avatar

Actually me. I do this all the time and it drives my friends, family, and girlfriend nuts.

I think my brain processes what is said after it is finished processing what I am currently thinking about and what I am really doing is multitasking in thoughts before rounding my way to the next one.

TalesFromTheKitchen, in Sorry guys, we had a good run
@TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml avatar

I asked my wife if she wanted kids and she just waved around and said “look at this shit, do you really want to put a someone through this?” Yep, the world is screwed. But I believe people have to make their own, conscious choice. No sense in forcing them to either have kids or not.

KillingTimeItself,

you wont catch me raising children both because im a mess, and i refuse to raise children in a dysfunctional society that hasn’t got its shit together.

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Do you want to have kids?

TalesFromTheKitchen,
@TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml avatar

We had a long talk about it and the above statement is just the gist of it. If we lived in better times, sure. But not in this timeline. We both came to that conclusion and it is perfectly fine.

Jorgelino, (edited )

Not to butt in your business, but if that’s your only reason to not have children, and you’re otherwise financially capable and willing to raise kids, have you two considered adoption? Instead of bringing someone extra into this shit as you put it, you’d just be helping one of the people who’re unfortunately already in it.

TalesFromTheKitchen,
@TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml avatar

Sorry for the late reply, was night here. Yes, we actually thought about that. But while it is easy to just have a kid, adoption (at least here in Germany where you only have around 4000 adoptions per year) comes with quite the list of requirements. We are both working full time and just recently found a very nice apartment, but without a seperate room for a kid. Then again my wife is a kindergarten teacher, so she already has like 20 kids ;)

nilloc,

As the parent of a current Kindergartener (and also a former one myself), give your wife a big hug for us. Her job is so important, a especially if we want this world’s society to turn around and fix the problems it’s made for itself.

lars,

Fuck yes. Thank you for doing your part to not make this place worse for your woulda-been kids and for me.

JackFrostNCola,

The sad part of this is the people here with the critial thinking and reasoning skills to make that descision are the ones not passing on those attributes, but its the low income & education people are the ones who cant even think far enough ahead to wear a fucking condom.

Ataraxia,

You say that as if it’s necessary for human kind to improve. We don’t have control over what happens to our species and we will go extinct which is absolutely fine. Not sure what is up with this whole obsession with continuing the species. Stop worrying about something that will naturally work itself out instead of complaining that the ‘wrong’ pe ople are breeding. Maybe thats just the natural way of things. I mean, greed, violence, hatred and discrimination are all ingrained parts of the human animal meant to aide in the whole survival aspect of things. It wasn’t meant to catapult earth species into space. Unless you are ok with genetic engineering and removing those traits from the gene pool you will never not have power hungry assholes ruining it for the rest of us. And that’s fine. That’s just what life on earth is like.

Anticorp,

My wife and I were planning to have kids in 2020. We had already started the process in 2019. Then covid happened. Then people hoarded toilet paper during a respiratory pandemic that doesn’t even affect your bowels. Then supply lines shut down. Then forest fires raged out of control across the country, turning the skies into red ash. Then protests and riots broke out across the country. All the while trump was happening about eleventy billion times. Ultimately we got a master class on how fucking ridiculous this world has become. We decided never to have kids. We’re already middle aged, so that’s it for us. It’s too late now. We occasionally consider adopting, but that’s a whole other bag of cats.

victorz,

People weren’t hoarding toilet paper because they thought it affected their bowels – they were hoarding it because who knew what might happen where we’d have to stay at home or be isolated for a long time.

What’s strange is, why toilet paper and not much else lol. At least where I lived. I wasn’t hoarding, I was just trying to get some at the store because we were running out completely, and the shelves were empty. 💀 Had to buy some non-bulk expensive and fragile af paper.

Ataraxia,

Where I live grocery stores were picked clean. Honestly we started buying and stocking up as well or we’d end up with nothing.

MahnaMahna,

We bought bidets and have never looked back. My husband actually prefers it because it cleans a hairy ass better lol

Notyou,

The why TP is because it was big and noticeable in store. There was a chunk missing and then word got that “you need to get some before they run out” and that causes a run and the stores run out.

If you remember during the gas pipeline cyber attack. It only effected a specific area of the country SE area, but areas outside of the actual problem ran out of fuel because people heard about other stations running out and having problems. We are not good at handling stressful situations together. We turn into a “fuck you, I got mine and I might need to stockpile more for later” type of people.

CerineArkweaver,

Saaame. We decided to adopt the cats instead 🤣

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

If you ever decide you do want kids, I’d endorse adopting. That way you’re not bringing a new life into this shitty world, you’re hopefully improving one that’s already gotten dealt a bad hand in life.

Ataraxia,

Just FYI it does affect bowels. My mom had straight diarrhea for weeks while she had covid. I may have had it and my bf we both had the hits for over a week.

Anticorp,

I guess it can, but it’s not a common symptom.

TalesFromTheKitchen,
@TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml avatar

Same, same. Well just in Germany. We haven’t been hit as bad as the U.S. but your country stretches over three climate zones. However, we live in a small town on the Baltic coast and last year was nuts with the weather. And yes, some people are unfortunately very egoistical and make it even harder for the rest who just want to have a halfway decent life.

iorale, in Times have changed

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  • takeda, (edited )

    I was mocking too, but things changed when a phone became the device to play back videos. At this point the orientation didn’t matter as much.

    It got to the point that some services, like YouTube shorts pretty much mandate vertical orientation.

    ChapulinColorado,

    Cursing those services to never be seen on desktop devices because they look so wasteful of screen real state.

    bdonvr,

    It’s not so bad when your secondary monitor is vertical lmao

    JPJones,

    Sure, but then you’re viewing it on your secondary monitor.

    AltheaHunter,

    You don’t always need to use every bit of screen real estate. The goal is watching videos, not min-maxing monitor usage.

    Meowoem,

    I actually prefer them to landscape because like a growing amount of people I only watch YouTube on the right side of my screen and use the left for work, drawing, or if course internet browsing and chat windows.

    ramirezmike,

    it’s not stupid if that’s the format it gets viewed most in

    JPJones,

    Rotate your phone you dirty savage! Or don’t idc really.

    stolid_agnostic,

    I think you just proved the meme lol

    ramirezmike, (edited )

    all I’m saying is if you’re recording something for tiktok or Instagram, it’s going to look best if it’s recorded vertically

    ExtraMedicated,

    Yes, but we also hate tiktok and instagram.

    vaultdweller013,

    Hell I refuse to acknowledge either, mind you I also dont enjoy the content of either.

    Anemia,

    How is this controversial. If its made to be viewed on a phone then I don’t see the reason to film hoizontally. Epecially the type of content that most people seem to make on like tiktok etc. seems better in vertical view.

    ramirezmike,

    it looks like it’s controversial because any app that has vertical content must be terrible 🤷‍♂️

    Anemia,

    I mean I don’t perticularly like the content of any of those apps (lemmy is the only real social media i use). But that doesn’t change the fact that they are using the correct format for the job.

    ramirezmike,

    don’t get me wrong, I agree. Furthermore, despite the problems with apps like TikTok, I do think there’s an incredible amount of amazing content created on that platform. It can be such a showcase of the creativity of the average person, it just sucks that it’s pretty objectively terrible in multiple ways.

    Sl00k,

    Lemmy definitely showing its older age skew here lol. Almost anything related to any social media will be better vertical. (Even lemmy itself ironically)

    Hell the vertical video trend on TikTok this year was a phenomenal trend and I even recall seeing A24 doing a vertical trailer cut just for TikTok.

    SpiceyDejarik,

    I think it depends on your intended audience. If what you’re filming is meant to be viewed on a phone, then vertical makes sense. If the video is meant to be viewed on a TV, movie screen, or computer monitor, then rotate your phone.

    captainlezbian, in What a silly thought, am I right?

    Yeah I prefer fingering my instrument to change notes

    BluJay320,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

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    SexyTimeSasquatch, in What a feeling

    I got complimented on my hat like three times in two days. I’m never taking it off again.

    ivanafterall,
    @ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

    What kinda hat are we talking? I'm intrigued.

    intensely_human,
    ijon_the_human,

    Now there’s a hat I’d compliment!

    blanketswithsmallpox,

    The #1 cospenis hat.

    AeonFelis,
    Random_German_Name,

    Nice hat

    gamermanh,
    @gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I started wearing a flat cap around mid to late 2019

    I’d been looking for a decent one for years and finally found one, so I wore it everywhere (still do)

    The amount of dudes complimenting me, asking where I got it, etc. is wild. I think im Up to over 10 comments, which is insane for someone who’s never gotten any in public before

    JDubbleu,

    I wish I could wear something like that, but it’d make me feel pretentious. Not that I think people wearing them look or come off as pretentious, but for me it’d feel that way. I couldn’t pull it off anyway since my daily attire is a hoodie and jeans/joggers.

    blanketswithsmallpox,

    What’re you gonna do with that umbrella faaag?

    Growing up with that sort of stupid toxic masculinity no matter how dumb you realize it is… is just hard. Every fiber of your being screams to tell you no, don’t stand out, suck it up, what are you some kinda of douche?

    somethingsnappy,

    There are so many styles, patterns, and colors of caps under the very wide term of flat cap. I think the pretentious feeling is silly, and probably geographical. I have baseball hats, beanies, newsboys, whatever. It doesn’t have to be your thing, just a thing you have.

    JDubbleu,

    I guess I’ve never considered myself that “posh” (not British but can’t think of a better word). Fair enough though might have to give it a try!

    gamermanh,
    @gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    As someone who’s daily attire is jeans, converse, tee, and hoodie: it comes down to the type and color, like the other guy said

    My daily driver is a cheap one from a two pack off Amazon and people love it

    Here’s the listing

    navi,

    What’s really wild is that it’s so abnormal for men to get positive comments on things that 10 comments in four years is “wild”.

    I don’t want to be a downer though, so… nice hat!

    Neato, in Ramen
    @Neato@kbin.social avatar

    I know this is memes, but instant noodles weren't invented to prevent starvation. On launch they were actually many times more expensive than fresh noodles.

    https://youtu.be/S2CD3bIBaY0?si=OPauMATbrc4Qab9w

    Daft_ish, (edited ) in Japan is living in the future that the 1990s dreamed of.

    I think someday we will look back and consider if taking everything digital was ever the right choice. Friend always uses the term, “high tech downgrade.” The more I interact with the internet the more I learn how it pushes the limits of our society in not so great directions.

    big_slap,

    I think the opposite can be said too. t’s pushed society forward in so many great places as well.

    Daft_ish,

    I’m not saying there should be no internet. I am only saying maybe some restraint would be advantageous for everyone.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Nah

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    Ok… good talk.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Why are you responding to me on the internet?

    Daft_ish,

    … why don’t you have reading comprehension?

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Maybe it’s the Internet. You should show some “restraint”.

    Daft_ish,

    Wtf are you even on about now? Go head explain.

    A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

    because Reductio ad absurdum is easier than confronting hard truths they don’t want to accept and possibly risk firing off a dreadful thing called a “thought” in that inert mass of jello they call a brain.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    You can say it directly next time.

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Thing is, the Internet at its core is just a vastly interconnected network. That’s it. All the effects of the Internet are direct consequences of that fundamental property, and time.

    The technological architecture that supports the complexity of modern civilization? The direct consequence of interconnectivity × time. QAnon? The direct consequence of interconnectivity × time.

    You can’t restrain the bad without crippling the good.

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    the Internet at its core is just a vastly interconnected network.

    Nothing about what you said invalides my point.

    Not every human transaction has to be made over the internet. Other technology’s are sufficient and do not cripple society.

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You can’t restrain the bad without crippling the good

    That part. “People should…” is an impotent sentiment. How do you incentivize, or force, a regression to “sufficient” technology? How do you do so without affecting beneficial network technology?

    Daft_ish,

    By learning from the past. See, in your mind you’ve already established all technological advancement is beneficial.

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I think you might be misinterpreting my point.

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    Is your point limiting technological advancement always results in hindering the opportunity for good?

    If so, no, I haven’t. Unless you define good as anything that someone could find value in.

    Maybe what you’re missing is an example.

    Tim and Susie live right next to each other and have windows facing each other. Tim and Susie are 6. They talk everyday over a tin can and string. Susie had the idea from seeing it in a comic book and Tim went home and made the tin can string telephone. The best part of their day is meeting up at the window and yelling to each other as each talk into a tin can. One day Tim’s absentee father stops by for a visit and sees Tim and Susie preform their ritual. Tim’s dad runs to the store and gets them a pair of walky talkies.

    “Much better” Tim’s dad exclaims while throwing Tim’s tin cans in the trash. Tim and Susie think the walky talkies are neat and they run around for a day hiding behind bushes and seeing if they can find each other. Without the tin cans though they don’t have a reason to meet at the window everyday so they quickly forget why they ever had the ritual in the first place. Eventually ones batteries dies and it doesn’t even matter because they have long forgot their fun game.

    Tell me. How did the tin cans cripple the chance for good?

    agamemnonymous, (edited )
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Who does Tim’s father represent? What does him throwing the tin cans in the trash represent? How does this analogy represent the topic we’re discussing?

    If the tin cans are old but sufficient technology, then the proper analogy would see Tim and Susie discarding the tin cans themselves voluntarily because the walkie talkies do what they do but better. Maybe there are drawbacks too, but Tim and Susie made their choice. Maybe Jack and Jill down the street like the intimacy of tin cans better and decide not to get walkie talkies, that is also their choice.

    Maybe the window ritual is socially beneficial, but who enforces that, and how? Does Jack’s mom get walkie talkies banned? Now what about all the emergency responders who used walkie talkies to save lives? Just banned for children? Who decides who qualifies as a child, and what about the children in the country who’s houses are too far apart for tin cans?

    I’m not saying there are no benefits to simpler options, and obviously every person has the freedom to use the simplest technologies they wish, but we’re having a conversation about society not individual choice . I’m saying that there’s no practical way to incentivize or force them at a societal scale. Unless you can think of one which isn’t just Big Brother censoring the Internet, in which case I’m all ears.

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    Just answer the question. Did Tim’s tin can stop the world from spinning? Did it have purpose? Was its replacement adequate?

    Tim’s dad represents Tim’s dad. Not everything is an analogy. Of course we can extrapolate it but I’m trying in the most simplest terms possible to make you see my point.

    agamemnonymous, (edited )
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    If it’s not an analogy then… yes, the world continues spinning if kids talk with tin cans? I don’t see what any of this has to do with the topic of the societal effects of widespread use of algorithm-driven social media platforms. restraint with regards to the Internet?

    Edit: got this conversation confused with a similar one. My bad

    Daft_ish,

    … right, because that is what I was talking about in the first place. Societital effects of widespread use of algorithm-driven social media platforms. Pretty impossible w/ you.

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    That’s on me, I’m also having an extremely similar conversation with someone else specifically about that

    What you did say was:

    I’m not saying there should be no internet. I am only saying maybe some restraint would be advantageous for everyone.

    So what I meant to say In my last comment was:

    What does any of that have to do with the restraint with regards to the Internet?

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    To spell it out again, not everything has to be done on the internet. Many people go on thinking ‘out with the old in with the new’ without ever considering scope and practicality. If you suddenly became manager of an office building with a complete pneumatic tube system your first instinct might be to gut the pneumatic tubes and do everything over email. That’s an OK thought but should that really be your first instinct? Most people wouldn’t even understand how pneumatic tubes work in the first place. Wouldn’t it be more prudent to to understand what the tubes are there for. Why they’ve lasted 60+ years. If the building is already wired with ethernet and has internet connection what should it matter if you use both keeping the tubes in place to continue their purpose?

    agamemnonymous, (edited )
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Okay, sure? That was always allowed. Again, “People should behave differently than they do” without any proposed method of bringing about whatever “differently” is, is just impotent platitude. That’s why I keep reiterating “incentivize or force”. Without one of those two pressures, people will continue to make individual decisions about their behavior, including which things they choose to do on the Internet, like they have been doing the whole time. Some will choose to do things on the Internet which can be done sufficiently other ways, others will choose to use simpler technologies.

    When you start talking about how restraint would be advantageous, without any concept of how to incentivize or force said restraint, you’re just becoming old-man-yells-at-cloud.jpg.

    Daft_ish,

    When you start talking about how restraint would be advantageous, without any concept of how to incentivize or force said restraint, you’re just becoming old-man-yells-at-cloud.jpg.

    I would challenge that. Say tomorrow I invented the eat-o-matic 5000 a top of the line eating utensil. Built in wifi, self cleaning, tracks how much food your eat, easy to manufacture, biodegradable, comes with a native streaming service that allows you to stream your eating experience to friends and family, affordable, etc.

    Do you think in everyone would throw away their forks and knifes immediately and start using the eat-o-matic 5000? How about 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?

    Maybe the eat-o-matic is that good. I tend to believe forks and knives wouldn’t go anywhere though. I also kniw forks and knives are already not the only technology that exists and the fact that one utensil isn’t ubiquitous proves that incentives and force are not the only factors at play.

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I feel like a broken record:

    Yes, obviously, people are allowed to make their own choices. Not using the flashiest new toys and services is allowed. Acknowledging that fact is not useful. You telling people what they should and shouldn’t do is not going to have a societal effect.

    If you would like to propose some regulatory or incentive policy to nudge people toward simpler technologies, then that is a useful conversation. But just stating your opinion? Old man yells at cloud.

    Daft_ish,

    So, all this just to say I shouldn’t have an opinion?

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’m not saying that your opinion shouldn’t exist, but some restraint would be advantageous.

    Unless you think that statement is overly reductive, simplifying a nuanced subject to a flippant, self-indulgent remark that accomplishes nothing but ego-stroking

    Some opinions provide valuable hypotheses which can promote thoughtful discussion regardless of their validity, like “A value-added tax would benefit the working class”. Some opinions are hollow and useless, and serve only to make the commenter feel smugly clever for stating the obvious, like “Israelis and Palestinians should just get along”.

    Endless promotion of the latter is probably one of the most unnecessary uses of the Internet, muttering to oneself alone at home is a sufficient technology for that purpose.

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    Sounds like an opinion to me. Of course your opinion is more valid because you said it. Since you would never be a hypocrit incapable of self reflection. Certainly, at the very least, would be able to detect sarcasm. If by chance you came across it.

    Let me know if you need me to explain it because I know how hard it is for you to comprehend simple ideas.

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Certainly, at the very least, would be able to detect sarcasm. If by chance you came across it.

    The irony.

    Unless you think that statement is overly reductive, simplifying a nuanced subject to a flippant, self-indulgent remark that accomplishes nothing but ego-stroking

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    Two can play

    Some opinions are hollow and useless, and serve only to make the commenter feel smugly clever for stating the obvious

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5b2e2cf3-664d-4d38-9bde-65c80d8cbf81.jpeg

    Flinch much?

    agamemnonymous,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    So then you agree?

    smooth_tea,

    Everything evolves as a wave of extremes and eventually finds some sort of equilibrium, trying to contain that is a fool’s errand.

    Daft_ish,

    Sounds like your own personal philosophy

    HelloHotel, (edited )
    @HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

    Or a new normal… paved roads and cars in the US was once pretty extreme, until it became normal. Did you be it’s grownup and tell it to go to bed on time, did you make a futile effort to stunt its growth or did you roll over. Story of the frog in boiling water.

    Daft_ish,

    Ever notice how some roads aren’t paved?

    big_slap,

    I agree.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Digitizing some things, like medical records and rare texts, have been extremely useful.

    SchizoDenji,

    Digitization of records in general is extremely useful.

    h_a_r_u_k_i,
    @h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev avatar

    The Internet is great. It connects people. I learned so many things even I lived in a small town in a third-world country.

    But ads, scam, and 15-second videos are bad. The current Internet is nasty and not as beautiful as it was.

    Two sides of a coin, I suppose.

    nossaquesapao,

    I think the problem was that technological advances were faster than social ones. We ended with new ways to control people, and new forms of inequality.

    Many of our problems with technology are rooted in a company abusing from their power. Even the troubled ways we communcate online today are a product of how bigh tech manipulated social networks.

    Fleur__, in Big brain time
    @Fleur__@lemmy.world avatar

    Why is a coffees iq it’s temperature? Am I dumber than coffee

    bingbong,

    Laughs in Kevin

    captain_aggravated, in Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's not happening
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    That was how it was marketed. Explain to me how there’s not a class action lawsuit there. I remember a woman in a pantsuit with a university lanyard around her neck coming into a high school class to give a presentation about how many millions more dollars a college graduate makes. There are people in this world whose death I would celebrate with a prolonged dance involving a significant amount of hip thrusting. Hers is one of them, if I knew who she was.

    n0clue, (edited )

    Did she ever say YOU were gonna get that extra money though?

    captain_aggravated,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Her thesis statement was certainly “If you go to college, you will earn more money.”

    JayObey711,

    She is probably an English major. You was a metaphor.

    pewpew, in We did it?
    @pewpew@feddit.it avatar

    I’d say to my kids: “I was there when it was written”

    CptEnder,

    “It’s true, all of it”

    RootBeerGuy,
    @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    “Even the shitposts?”

    Especially the shitposts!”

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