MTK,

Well well well, I once again feel targeted by a meme

Kusimulkku,

Who do you talk on the phone like that?

MTK,

The microphone is there, why not?

TheFrogThatFlies,

But you can rotate the phone such that the mic is still in front of your mouth and the top of the phone over your ear, without being forced to use the speaker to be able to hear.

waz,

I call this “pizza phone” because it looks like they are eating their phone like a slice of pizza.

zovits,

I always thought it was more like toast.

Smorty,

To me, it looks like they’re about to bite into a kitkat

Professorozone,

Well, talking like this keeps the phone from radiating into the head from zero distance and angling it in this way puts your mouth closer to the microphone, so if it’s over, I say, "Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. "

Rediphile,

Neither of those things provide a measurable or meaningful improvement to anything. The phone is designed to be directly against one’s head within allowable safe levels of radiation. And the microphone/audio processing is designed to pickup sound from the standard phone position.

I’d say ‘you do you’…but actually, you shouldn’t.

Professorozone,

And it’s too bad that everything you just typed is wrong.

S_204,

ITT a bunch of fucking losers claiming to have hearing problems and would rather be a dick in public than invest in proper headphones.

Note on the claim part, I don’t believe a fraction of the assholes here, just trying to justify their assholery. People with legitimate hearing issues tend to accept the support technology that’s readily available these days. I spend quite a bit of time around folks who are actually hard of hearing.

Dettweiler42, (edited )

Even if they do have hearing issues, a phone pressed against your ear will sound much louder with much greater clarity compared to the speaker mode.

sizzler,

You don’t get it and you lack empathy. Got it.

Underwaterbob,

Which may be the case, but being immediately dismissive like you are isn’t exactly going to get them on your side now, is it?

sizzler,

There is no side, it’s a fact and if you can’t have some empathy for people with hearing issue then what can I say to change your mind?!

Underwaterbob,

Well, the guy you are responding to is maybe only thinking of people whose hearing is diminished in some manner. Not people whose hearing is otherwise incapacitated through something like tinnitus or like the other poster in here who has auditory dyslexia. Both of whom may be inconvenienced by headphones or earbuds and have an easier time with speaker phone than those options. Maybe try to explain how you think they are being insensitive or lacking empathy rather than just accusing them of such without explanation.

sizzler,

I’ll accept that, well spoken.

OrteilGenou,

I know right? Like how hearing aids are designed to be held a foot and a half from the head. These people need to be more sensitive

sizzler,

You don’t get it and you lack empathy. It’s a pretty straight-forward statement. Don’t think I need to expand.

OrteilGenou,

K

Iapar,

No, you don’t get it and lack empathy.

noli,

No, you don’t get it and lack empathy.

P33Ka,

I have hearing problems

I bring headphones everywhere

S_204,

Of course you do. You’re not a raging prick.

Smoogs, (edited )

Add to that the amount of headphones out there that do help with various ear issues is growing and the prices are not that heavy.

They have bone conduction ear phones now that can be picked up online. Your skull can hear for you now. This is the same technology as what hearing aids use and you can just wire it up as headphones to your phone now

dragonflyteaparty,

They have bone conduction ear phones now that can be picked up online

Yo, that’s dope. As someone who is partially deaf, but mostly hears fine, I’m curious about this.

Smoogs,

Yeah I saw several variances available on Amazon just in the past week. Might be worth checking out or seeing how they rate

lordgoose,

I was just reading about these yesterday. They basically bypass your eardrum so they’re really good for people with hearing loss who still want to use headphones. Definitely check them out if you think they’ll work for you.

Hereforpron2,

When someone calls and I expect it to be 60 seconds or less, I don’t wanna go fumbling in my bag for 30 seconds to find the headphones and spend another 20 making sure they hook up to my phone properly.

Plus, idk about hearing issues, but I have epilepsy and my seizures increase when I have long calls with the phone against my face OR with TWS earbuds in, which can apparently (and not too uncommonly) be triggered by the type of radiation they put off, even though it’s at very low levels. But just 3 inches further from my face and no problems. I know that’s not why a lot of people do it, and I still try not to in public, but there are various reasons that someone might.

I am sure this will get downvoted to the lowest level of hell, but when it comes to people doing this without a medical reason/just based on preference, I also just don’t know why a minor annoyance triggers such major anger in others. If I’m on a train for an hour and someone is talking the whole time, that’s annoying no matter how they’re doing it. If I pass someone on speaker in the grocery store, I don’t really let that 12 seconds affect the rest of my day, certainly not enough to harbor such hot feelings about it.

S_204,

You could have just swapped your first few lines for ’ I’m selfish and don’t care about others’.

Hereforpron2,

Sure, but I’d honestly also rather hear both sides of a stranger’s conversation than just one. Doesn’t feel better to me to be talking just as loud on the phone but have it against your ear than a few inches away

S_204,

See my original reply. It applies to this comment as well.

anonymous_28,

Imagine being so superficial that this represents a real concern

Palkom,

Found the sandwich speaker.

Exusia,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

Talking like this? Fucking irritating in public. Speaker so loud everyone can hear, not even trying to lower their voice Like the area is loud so they gotta turn up and talk loud. You know what else solves this? Taking it off speaker and holding it to your ear like a phone.

Their phone flat out in front makes their profile larger, and I know that seems silly but that’s another foot and a half in an already cramped bus.

Jackthelad,

When did this become a thing anyway? When out and about, I see everyone talking on the phone like this.

I don’t want to hear your conversation.

Isoprenoid, (edited )

It’s because the speakers for the iPhone are on the bottom of the phone.

Edit: I meant the speakers that are used for “hands free mode”, which is what the user in the image is doing. The reason why people hold their phone like this is because it directs the speaker sound straight at them (again, in hands free mode).

over_clox,

As a former iPhone repair technician, I can confirm this is both true and false at the same time. There’s a speaker in the normal position for the ear as well, it all depends whether the user decided to put the phone into loudspeaker mode.

This comment coming from an Android user that’s just as guilty of this at times.

Evil_Shrubbery,

I don’t even want to hear my conversation, I just have to - but someone else’s, wtf?

It should become socially acceptable to slap their phones, maybe from bottom up for a greater comedic effect.

dangblingus,

Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

kamen,

Probably around the pandemic when people became extra wary about hygiene - at least that’s my observation. I’ve also noticed that people listen to voice messages like this - if you’re in a loud environment and don’t have headphones, it kind of makes sense. It still looks stupid, and for normal phone calls it is stupid, since both the earpiece and the microphone are optimised for having the phone on your ear.

ILikeBoobies,

Before that, see it a lot in construction and in places with a lot of noise so you can’t hear off speaker

JimVanDeventer,

The earpiece doesn’t work anymore and I don’t have headphones with me. ✓

Socerloser334,

I am not ashamed to say I will talk on the phone like this often. I dont alway hold it to my mouth though just prefer more freedom with speaker phone. But I never do it in public

tacosplease,

Right? I have another comment at -7 because it says you can hear the speakers better that way while driving.

I get the speakerphone hate. But if someone is in their car that’s less annoying than blasting it through the stereo. So who cares how someone holds their phone in this scenario? Especially when there is an actual benefit to holding it that way.

This entire post is the stupidest case of gatekeeping I’ve ever seen.

dmention7,

The theory I’ve heard is that people on reality TV shows would do this so the mics could pick up their conversations better. So naturally, brainless idiots without an original thought in their dense godforsaken skulls people who watch those shows started doing it in real life too because they saw popular people doing it on TV.

It’s just a theory, but it seems plausible because it’s clearly not how phones were designed to function on speakerphone or otherwise.

MonkderZweite,

Monkey see, monkey do.

Mamertine,

That’s where the trend is putting books spine first into a bookshelf came from too.

The tv producers don’t want to spend days asking for permission to use book spine graphics in the shot, not spend time blurring the film, so they flip the books around to hide all the spine art. It’s on HGTV a ton.

dmention7,

That one just makes me sad and angry. I try not to judge people, but I would judge the shit out of someone for doing that IRL.

candybrie,

If you find visual clutter distracting or upsetting, it’s a pretty useful trick to still be able to own a bunch of books. Alphabetize your books, and you can still find them. And most people I know can find their favorites even without that.

It’s kind of like getting mad at people who organize their books by color. If you’re a visual person, there’s a half decent chance you remember the color of the book rather than remembering the author’s name.

onion,

Or get a shelf with doors :)

flerp,

Is that actually a thing people do? I am so far out of the loop I haven’t heard of it either on tv or irl

LaLuzDelSol,

I’ve heard that gangsters holding their guns horizontally comes from a movie. I don’t remember which one. Life imitates art.

rimpoe, (edited )

Actually the holding the gun sideways was a practicality thing. When unloading a magazine rapidly you have limited control of the weapon’s recoil. When holding a gun upright the recoil moves it upwards, holding it sideways moves it sideways.

Now imagine you’re a gangter, ‘bout to come up on some punk steppin’ on your turf. You an da boyz gatted up ready to throw down. Get in the low-rider with your illegal Tek-9. Roll up on those fools ready to shed lead. Which way do you want your recoil going? Upwards? Or sideways.

Rat-tat-tat.

the16bitgamer, (edited )
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

Wow I almost feel singled out by this. But I presume that this is supposed to be in public. Which by every account is a dick move.

However I do this in private, I.e. in my car or at home. And the reason I do it is because I can’t hear a call without using the speaker phone. Hearing issues aren’t fun.

However the easier solution is headphones, but calls over Bluetooth can make things worse, from battery life to sound quality.

Wired headphones are the preferable solution to this but we all know what happened to those.

TL:DR I do this because of my hearing issues. In public this is a dick move, but headphones aren’t the solution they use to be.

Smoogs, (edited )

but headphones aren’t the solution they use to be.

Not true. There’s air conduction, bone conduction(which is the same technology for people who actually do experience hearing loss), wired, non wired, in ear, over ear, on ear, noise cancelling and these are not that expensive that you can get it online so it’s super accessible.

It’s not the early 2000s anymore where you only get buds or on ear or whatever apple bullshit comes with your phone.

Same,

People don’t have their headphones turned on and in easy reach at all times. If you’re doing this in a private space, who cares?

Smoogs, (edited )

I don’t. I’m responding to the argument that headphones are not what they used to be. that is incorrect. There is more selection and varying types should one be selecting a pair.

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed, though sadly this doesn’t apply to me. Hearing issues doesn’t always mean hearing loss. I have Auditory Processing Disorder or Auditory Dyslexia means my hearing is good, but I don’t always understand what people are saying.

Speaker phone makes it easier for me to understand what the other person is saying. But again its a dick move to use it in public.

Evil_incarnate,

Is that what it’s called when other noise makes you not understand what people are saying?

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty much. The inability to filter voices from other noises. Not fun when you are on a bus and the engine is the only thing you can make out

Evil_incarnate,

And why I avoid noisy bars and stuff. I noticed once during the fire drill at work, we were all standing outside and the loud alarm was beeping like a truck backing up and the whole time I couldn’t make out what people were saying. I could hear the noises coming from their mouths, but couldn’t understand a thing.

Alarm stopped and I could understand them fine.

phillaholic,

Is it the Dichotic listening part? Airpod Pros might do wonders.

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

I have noise cancelling Sony earbuds for a while now. At this point I’ve just gotten use to how people talk, and guessing at what they said and I missed.

Smoogs,

What happened when you tried the bone conducting type? What we’re your findings with this one?

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t try those yet. I presume it wouldn’t be helpful since I need noise isolation and blocking. Not sure if they do that

Qwaffle_waffle, (edited )

I feel this too with the hearing issues, but I have moved away to texting rather than calls mostly. Social took a hit, but I’m still here anyways.

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

Yup, texting is my go to for most of the time. However I want to catch up, I usually arrange a call.

phillaholic,

Are you over 35? If a friend calls me on the phone something bad’s happened.

callyral, (edited )
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

Wired headphones are the preferable solution to this but we all know what happened to those.

What happened? I use wired headphones, haven’t had any problems recently.

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

iPhone, iPad, and most Samsungs don’t have a 3.5mm headphone jack.

callyral,
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

Ohhh, I completely forgot iPhones no longer had those. Thanks for the reminder, I’ll remember to check for a headphone jack before buying a new phone.

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

The new iphones now have USB c so it’s not as bad as it use to be, since USB c dongles can be cross device compatible. But yeah it suuucks.

tpyo,

It’s not a mandatory feature for me personally, but I absolutely prefer having an actual headphone jack and die a little inside when a new phone doesn’t

You can “get around” that by using a usb c to 3.5mm audio adaptor, or a y adaptor that’s a 3.5mm audio and another USBC to allow for charging at the same time

NutWrench,
@NutWrench@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d be more concerned about the Rey Skywalker man-bun.

Viper_NZ,

Related: Why exactly has every person >60 years old started wandering around in public having loud conversations on speaker phone?

Evil_incarnate,

Hearing problems. Easier to listen with both ears.

Someasy,

I don’t mean to be rude, and I totally understand if it works better to use a speakerphone (some people have ear issues and can’t have things pressing against their ears). But if the issue is a phone is only held against one ear, can’t you use headphones or earphones that also transmit sounds to both ears?

ZoopZeZoop,

I’m guessing they were explaining, not advocating. Most people would agree with you that there’s another option. Some people are resistant to that, unfortunately, including people I know.

Luckily for me, I already love my earpods. So, I’ll be covered when my hearing starts to go.

Hereforpron2,

When someone calls and I expect it to be 60 seconds or less, I don’t wanna go fumbling in my bag for 30 seconds to find the headphones and spend another 20 making sure they hook up to my phone properly.

Plus I have epilepsy and my seizures increase when I have long calls with the phone against my face or with TWS earbuds in, which can apparently (and not too uncommonly) be triggered by the type of radiation they put off, even though it’s at very low levels. But just 3 inches further from my face and no problems. I know that’s not why a lot of people do it, and I still try not to in public, but there are various reasons that someone might.

_number8_,

but this is correct, that’s where the mic is, it’s more comfortable than holding it to my ear [especially the modern smartphone shape], and i like knowing i’m talking straight into the mic

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

I like knowing i’m talking straight into the mic

The microphone was not designed to be talked straight into it like that. It was designed for someone to hold the phone like a human. The mics are designed to help pick up audio from the direction of your mouth when your phone is in the normal position, not the one you’re using. By attempting to maximize efficiency and talk into it, you’re actively making it worse for the other people you’re talking to.

mean_bean279, (edited )

You do know that when you switch to speaker phone it’s often switching the microphone setup, right? Like it’s going from earpiece to conference call setup… it’s not like it stays the same and blows out the other end. We have the technology to control noise input and background. This was ~ maybe ~ true of older phones, but it certainly isn’t today.

I talk on the phone like this due to being a walker & talker. So I pull up my work systems on my phone to update notes and email people as I’m talking. If that were the case the dozens of phone calls a day would tell me I’m way too loud.

Isoprenoid,

If that were the case the dozens of phone calls a day would tell me I’m way too loud.

Maybe they’re being polite by not mentioning it, or don’t care. Also it’s not about being too loud, it’s about distortion.

mean_bean279,

Part of my background is in sysadmin (MDM) and AV. I’m METICULOUS about how things sound. I frequently check audio devices and always ask others on calls if it sounds good. I mostly talk to sales people now that are in an office on headsets and we’re all outgoing and straight forward enough that we would just tell someone immediately.

If you’re in public I wouldn’t be on speaker. It’s rude, annoying, and the mics change dynamics to pickup other voices as well, but in the comfort of my home for calls where I don’t want to put in/on headphones it’s much more comfortable to be on speaker.

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, and blasting it on speaker mode is a whole different problem. One that mainly ends with that person being an inconsiderate asshole and forcing everyone in the vicinity to listen to their conversation.

It’s just ‘Main Character Syndrome’ energy and needs to fuck off.

mean_bean279,

You do know you can be on speaker phone and not in public, right? You’re talking about one specific situation but breaking it down as if all people using speaker phone are somehow bad…

When I’m on speaker phone it’s in my own home when no one else is around. It’s a comfortable way for me to talk on a phone and it doesn’t bother anyone.

itsAsin,
@itsAsin@lemmy.world avatar

“… you do know that…, right?”

well akshually 🤓

Stamets, (edited )
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

And I’m not judging your private behavior. At no point did I say I was judging your private behavior. But if you do it in public, you’re an asshole. I have never been talking about what you do privately because it’s privately. Everything here should be taken with the context of this being in public as was implied.

OberonSwanson, (edited )

Plus, I really hate the idea of my cheeks touching the screen… because then after the call I end up having to clean the screen off. Damned OCD.

Edit: Jfc lol was downvoted for sharing my phobia, stay classy Lemmy

mriormro,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

I mean this just goes to the heart of the notion that mental illness is not your fault but it is your responsibility.

474D,

I am very confused, why is your cheek touching the phone? Are you mashing your phone against your face?

OberonSwanson,

Buttspiders guy nailed it. Sorry my phobia rubbed you wrong.

ButtholeSpiders,

Some people have chubby cheeks, or don’t want to mess up their makeup would be my guess. The poster mentioned obsessive compulsive disorder, so your answers there. 👍

dustyData,

You’ve heard that people that sound uncomfortably loud, garbled and distorted, barely comprehensible, with intermittent popping and hisses over the phone? That’s you.

Evil_Shrubbery,

That’s not really how smol condenser mics work, nor how modern (and also multi-mic) phones process your sound. You don’t even sound better.

That’s just the same thinking as old people shouting in their (digital) phone so the other person ‘can hear them better’.

GBU_28,

Holy fuck

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Man bun and v-neck weren’t helping the case.

Jakeroxs,

I feel personally attacked

Texas_Hangover,

As well you should.

Dee,
@Dee@lemmy.world avatar

Damn. Are the cishets still going on about gatekeeping man buns and v-necks? I thought that tiresome rhetoric died off around 2010.

flerp,

You have to insult people who have different head string and body fabric than you do. How else can you feel validated about your choice of head string and body fabric??

Kusimulkku,

We’re still calling everything gatekeeping? Surprised you didn’t call them a grifter

Dee,
@Dee@lemmy.world avatar

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  • Kusimulkku,

    I’m talking about overusing meme terms. Everything was gatekeeping for a while. Now everyone is a grifter. Even when it doesn’t fit. What’s a cishet?

    soloner,

    Laughs in man bun

    Pregnenolone,

    This was a valid criticism in like, 2016

    Kusimulkku,

    It’s only valid because it worked and people were beaten to submission.

    snek_boi,

    … and in a particular culture, and for people who care about what others think

    jadedwench,

    I like man buns! You better let me braid it once in a while though, while in an ADHD fuelled craze. V-necks though… never cared for the style, but you do you?

    Jakeroxs,

    It’s not even about style for me, my neck is just sensitive sometimes and the v style bothers me less usually.

    mriormro,
    @mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

    Why do you even care what someone else decides to look like?

    anarchy79, (edited )
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    If the love of your life sports a man bun you have way bigger issues than how they use their phone, dude.

    ALostInquirer, (edited )

    If they sport a woman bun, wouldn’t that be an even greater problem supposing a straight monogamoship? 😂

    snek_boi,

    Why do you say so?

    flerp,

    The way they put the string on top of their head means they’re a bad person because it’s different from how the commenter puts their head string, obviously.

    Piecemakers3Dprints, (edited )
    @Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

    To be fair, I’d be more concerned with the unkempt excuse for a beard being a sign of other, less visible issues. Sure, the bun is cringe AF, but adult-level hygiene is clutch for ranking as The One. 🤗

    edit: ooh, touched a nerve with some? Go wash yourselves.

    snek_boi,

    What does the word hygiene mean?

    Piecemakers3Dprints,
    @Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar
    snek_boi,

    Interesting. Based on the definition “conditions and practices that help to maintain health and prevent the spread of diseases”, I’m guessing that you’re implying a beard categorized as unkempt can lead to disease.

    Just because I’m trying to understand, is the issue hair’s length? If so, shampoo and conditioner can be used in larger amounts. The shampoo would pick up the dead skin cells, remove excess grease, and pick up all kinds of germs. The conditioner would reapply grease so that the hair is healthy and strong.

    Is the issue the fact that this hair is so close to the mouth that, when eating, it could have sauces or stuff like that falling onto it? If so, shampoo or regular soap can clean it all up for it to be hygienic again.

    Am I missing something?

    Piecemakers3Dprints,
    @Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

    You are correct in these hypotheses, yes, and details to a person’s overall presentation are some of the first introductions one has to said stranger’s tendencies, interests, and even self-worth. Of course, conjecture is not fact, and an educated guess is only as good as the education behind it.

    MTK,

    Stop talking about me!

    dQw4w9WgXcQ,

    Maybe I should be single, but this is my preferred way to speak on the phone when I’m not bothering anyone, and the enviornment is relatively quiet. It frees up my hands for a better range of motion if I’m doing anything else, and it removes my common accidental hang-up when my ear or face touches the display.

    If the environment becomes noisy or people are around, I of course switch back to old-school DJ-gesture phone call mode.

    mcteazy,

    Why are you holding it up to your face? I use speaker too if I’m busy and my hands are full but i put it down on a table. This has no advantage, you still have to hold it

    TotallynotJessica,
    @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

    If the phone is too far from your face, they can’t hear you as well. You don’t have to talk as loud to be heard when on speaker phone. Besides, I have a hard time hearing when I don’t use it, and I can clearly hear them when it’s on and near my face. They hear me better and I hear them better; definitely an advantage.

    mcteazy,

    This is literal insanity

    TotallynotJessica,
    @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

    Part of what got me started was a bad microphone on my phone, but I realized it had advantages when you’re alone. Honestly, talking on the phone in public at all isn’t great. Everyone can hear your side of the conversation, and while it’s much better than eating pizza, people ought to avoid calls in public whenever possible. Whenever I’m around others, I keep the calls short, and when I’m alone and do take longer calls, I eat that pizza. Judge pizza eaters when you see them, but don’t feel shame for doing it when alone. While you’re at it, don’t let people having loud, vibrant phone conversations off the hook.

    dQw4w9WgXcQ,

    I sometimes move around in my house while talking, since I’m a nervous guy when it comes to phone calls. Having the phone at chest or waist level makes it a lot quicker to change hands or even use lower arms or elbows to hold things or open doors or whatever. It’s just less constraining, even if it’s marginal.

    Smoogs,

    You know what is hands free? Headphones.

    Copythis,

    I always think it’s funny seeing people driving holding their phone like a pop tart.

    It’s not hands free just because it’s on speaker phone.

    Bwaz,

    He might have bluetooth hearing aids?

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