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schnapsman, to movies in George Clooney Says a ‘Great Script’ for New ‘Ocean’s’ Movie Exists, but He Won’t Call It ‘Ocean’s 14’: ‘We May End Up Doing Another One’

That one episode of Rick and Morty ruined all heist movies for me forever.

Delphia,

You son of a bitch, me too.

yoast,

IDK I saw Logan Lucky for the first time last year and it kinda blew me away. I think heist movies can still be great with the right script

Chaser,

From the same director as Ocean’s 11. I believe in the movie they joke that it’s Ocean’s 7/11

mycatiskai,

There was that interesting heist miniseries that could be watched in random order and still make sense. It was an interesting concept.

I believe it was called Kaleidoscope, all the episodes were a color. White first, Black last but any other episode order still worked.

canthidium,
@canthidium@lemmy.world avatar

Daniel Craig is so great in that movie. I’m here for the Daniel Craig funny accent universe.

solarvector, to movies in George Clooney Says a ‘Great Script’ for New ‘Ocean’s’ Movie Exists, but He Won’t Call It ‘Ocean’s 14’: ‘We May End Up Doing Another One’

I’m not convinced it is even possible to have a great script for another oceans movie

swiffswaffplop, to movies in Gary Oldman Says ‘Thank God’ for ‘Harry Potter’ and ‘Dark Knight’ Movies Because ‘They Saved Me’

“ I could do the least amount of work for the most amount of money and then be home with the kids.” Gary Oldman and I share the same philosophy about work.

SgtAStrawberry,

If those movies are what he call least amount of work, I love to see one where he went all in. Cause he was awesome in this ones.

figjam,

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy?

RizzRustbolt,

I don’t care what anyone says, He won the Oscar for that.

niktemadur, (edited )

Actually, he won it for playing Churchill in The Darkest Hour.
Although I do believe Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy should have won all kinds of awards. And that includes Oldman for doing the nearly impossible as George Smiley: reprising a truly iconic Alec Guinness role and actually making it his own.

EDIT: well it took me a minute to catch your real meaning.

520, (edited )

Tiptoes, a movie about small (dwarfism) love where they cast Gary Oldman in the role of a lifetime.

RedAggroBest,

Was it Daniel Tosh who made me aware of this cursed thing?

Duranie,

I found and purchased a copy of it on DVD from Goodwill many years ago. Totally worth the $1.99 lol.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Well, least amount of work for him. He always brings his A-game from what I’ve seen, but a nice payday for a fraction of the number of days worked is nice!

RememberTheApollo,

Fifth Element?

SgtAStrawberry,

I have heard some things about it will definitely check it out.

TheRaven,
@TheRaven@lemmy.ca avatar

Hannibal? The makeup alone took 6 hours each day.

SgtAStrawberry,

Didn’t know he was in it, it will put it higher on the list.

derekabutton, (edited )

The thing about these ones is that he is a side character for multiple movies. Both series had large casts and he was a key component to small sections of each. Large pay for little work is ideal. It’s not that he didn’t go all in. Just went all in for less time.

SgtAStrawberry,

Definitely agree, but then I want to see a movie where he went all in for a bigger part of it. I have gotten some good suggestions, that I will ad to the list.

WarmSoda, (edited )

I’ve never thought about about it but I don’t think Gordon is in the first movie all that much. They’re just little scenes here and there, really.

He’s at his desk with a stapler. He’s at the docks for ten seconds. He takes out the trash once. The batmobile scene. And the end when he plays with the batmobiles rockets. Aren’t those the major scenes with him? I’m curious now.

Either way he even says he worked for less than a month on it. That’s pretty cool.

Psaldorn,
@Psaldorn@lemmy.world avatar

EVERYOOONEEEE

canthidium,
@canthidium@lemmy.world avatar

Leon is such a good movie. One of the first of the Oldman unhinged performances I can remember.

inspired,

Bring me everyone.

norbert, (edited )
@norbert@kbin.social avatar

That and Bram Stokers Dracula were my introductions to him and some of my favorite characters to this day. He just completely owns the roles and defines the characters in ways nobody else can. He can be completely over the top and at the same time be completely believable. Gary Oldman is a great fuckin actor and any movie he's in automatically gets chance from me.

nevernevermore, to movies in Gary Oldman Says ‘Thank God’ for ‘Harry Potter’ and ‘Dark Knight’ Movies Because ‘They Saved Me’

gary oldman is part chameleon

ArtificialLink, to movies in Gary Oldman Says ‘Thank God’ for ‘Harry Potter’ and ‘Dark Knight’ Movies Because ‘They Saved Me’

I mean we all know what about clickbait and titles. The headline here is a perfect example. Because it makes it seem like Gary oldman wasn’t getting offers potentially for movies or didn’t have opportunities for movies. And he was worried about going under or not being able to support himself etc etc. But if you read the actual article, it’s made very clear that he wasn’t sparse for opportunity as an actor, but rather these movies gave him an opportunity to be with his children more while they were all going through a very rough time and still earn an income presumably to support their lifestyle and this is what he feels saved him personally.

Gary oldman is a good dad. And it seems like he wanted to put that first and foremost. Which I think is wonderful. I was raised by a father who was given soul custody of his kids during a very messy divorce. And now that I’m older i can see how much sacrifice he made for me and my sister. Cool that gary oldman seems willing to do the same for his kids.

WarmSoda,

You’re not wrong. But the title is literally his quote.

ArtificialLink,

A lot are but it takes it outta context and twists his point slightly.

WarmSoda,

"Thank God for ‘Harry Potter.’ I tell you, the two — ‘Batman’ and ‘Harry Potter’ — really, they saved me,

That’s his exact quote. How long do you want the title, which is quoting him, to be?

ech,

“Gary Oldman thanks Batman, Harry Potter for ‘saving’ his family life”.

Accurate, informative, and shorter than the given title.

WarmSoda, (edited )

Next time I talk to Variety I’ll let them know.

Gamoc,

You respond like you didn’t specifically ask how.

rifugee,

I think /u/WarmSoda may be as pleasant in real life as their username.

WarmSoda,

Nah, theres just no reason for people to care this much.

WarmSoda, (edited )

It’s pretty funny you don’t understand what a rhetorical question is.

ArtificialLink,

The title does not need to be a quote to give you information about the article. They use the quote out of context specifically to twist it slightly and get more clicks.

hitmyspot,

While you may be technically correct, a quote taken out of context can be misleading, as is the case here.

They chose the quote to be the title for that purpose. That’s clickbait.

asret,

I’d prefer titles that more accurately described the content - they don’t necessarily have to quote the content.

WarmSoda,

Cool dude

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Asking a question as a separated dad which I think I know the answer to. I get my kids every other week. Outside of that I also take them one on one (I have 3 of which 2 are special needs) when it isn’t my week. I have no idea why my ex doesn’t do the same. She comments I never have alone time because I’m using my week off from them, but I love my kids and they deserve one on one time. They also never leave my house early when the week is up but they’re always eager to come to my house even when it’s not time to show up yet.

I’ve always assumed it will pay off in the long run and they’re aware.

wrekone,

From one divorced dad to another… just keep doing what you know is right. Your kids will see it. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks.

ArtificialLink,

As a kid who survived through this maybe not special needs. But a kid who’s arrived through this. The best you can do is just show them how much you love and care for them no matter what. That will mean the world to them. Also, just hope your ex-whaterver e isn’t a bitch who warps and twists your kid’s minds. Cuz I don’t say this lightly. My dad with the way the court systems are was not awarded full custody lightly. The court system in America very much prefers the mother. And my mother was a crazy psychotic bitch who made me go to a fucking two week inpatient facility because she fucked up my head so bad. But my dad is the greatest thing I’ve ever had and he is caring and he has sacrificed more than I think anyone will ever know. And for all of that I said the best you can do is just put love first. Because love is what ultimately prevailed for my father despite my mother’s twisted fucked up words

IchNichtenLichten, to movies in Gary Oldman Says ‘Thank God’ for ‘Harry Potter’ and ‘Dark Knight’ Movies Because ‘They Saved Me’
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

He’s so good in Slow Horses at the moment.

CmdrShepard,

It’s unbelievable to see him in Slow Horses and then see him in this article photo. He’s so good at disguising himself.

IchNichtenLichten,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

The make up to show him as a heavy drinker is excellent.

solidsnake2085, to movies in Gary Oldman Says ‘Thank God’ for ‘Harry Potter’ and ‘Dark Knight’ Movies Because ‘They Saved Me’
@solidsnake2085@lemmy.world avatar

It wasn’t TipToes?

Beetschnapps,

I mean he TOTALLY looks like Mathew McConaughey’s twin brother despite being ten years older…

Really it must have been the guys from COPS that messed it all up.

dangblingus, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.

While this is piracy adjacent, good on Amazon and Tolkien’s estate for shutting down that trash lol

RobotToaster,
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

lol, Amazon’s LOTR was trash.

Potatisen,

So much money, just absolutely wasted.

BearOfaTime,

I don’t even like Tolkien (find his writing to be just excessive, I don’t need to know the color of the buttons on the shirt of the dead character with no name), and even I have to agree, lol.

Too many re-interpretations of authors’ works. Tolkien is highly detailed - not reflecting that (or worse, substituting your own details) in a movie or show is just hubris. If you’re so damn good why don’t you write your own shit. Oh, your name doesn’t sell instantly is why.

Norgur, (edited )

We've seen this with the Witcher, we've seen it with GoT, we've seen it with LOTR: super artistic production teams which have their heads so deep up their own arses and are entrenched so deeply inside that weird removed-from-reality Hollywood bubble that they legitimately think they know better how to interpret the lore some world renowned author made than the author himself. Always ends in mediocre showsand hilarious interviews with said production teams where

a) everybody is wrong but them
b) bUt OuR vIsIoN

DrBob,

Oh God The Witcher. The production team was handed an incredibly strong female lead character who was smarter, more politically astute, and more feared/respected than almost any other character in the series. And they immediately tore her down and made her a petty whining brat while claiming it was about female empowerment. A pox on Netflix and the entire production team.

s38b35M5, (edited )
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

Didn’t the show runner say that the dumb public was to blame for the failure of the show?

Edit: he blamed dumb Americans.

Baginski said, “When a series is made for a huge mass of viewers, with different experiences, from different parts of the world, and a large part of them are Americans, these simplifications not only make sense, they are necessary.”

DrBob,

Projection is a powerful drug.

BearOfaTime,

He has a point about simplifications when it comes to media and art being approachable by the masses (and I say this with no insult intended, simplification of anything will always have broader appeal). See popular music vs avante-guard jazz (i.e. Miles Davis, probably the most-approachable of the type!)

But holy cow what a condescending, arrogant, insulting pick.

Fuck him and anything he ever touches.

Zahille7,

And we Americans complain about our own dumbing down of media to ship overseas.

I’m glad I didn’t watch the show.

Norgur,

Thing is: They are working from the basis of media that has been successful already. So the amount of "dumbing down" neccessary to achieve a somewhat broad appeal has already been done by the author of the original, so to speak. Their argument doesn't hold any water whatsoever on no level imaginable.

Sylvartas,

There is some stuff I don’t dislike about Netflix’s Witcher, but god damn, I feel like they actively set out to do the worst rewriting ever with how they treated/portrayed basically the entire Lodge of Sorceresses

DrBob,

My hopes were so high for the stupid thing. They couldn’t tell the story in front of them that was already loaded with allegirical social justice issues. They had to reinterpret the entire thing and just plain fucked it up. Just sad.

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

Game of Thrones is an odd one, because what they did was fuck up the characters. All of them. I don’t think a single character who survived to the end was left unscathed by shitty writing outside of a couple minor characters. It doesn’t really help that they obviously rushed the ending out, which only made it worse by making the actions of the characters make absolutely no sense.

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

I quite liked it, personally.

I imagine saying that is going to be treated as an admission of heresy here though.

Cannibal_MoshpitV3, (edited )

My problem is that Galadriel was treated like an impatient, naive child by other characters when in Tolkien’s Lore she is already well-respected and older than most others.

Why? Because female? Bullshit, she was already strong and established by the time the events in Amazon’s LotR take place. They dumbed her down and made her look like an impulsive idiot incapable of seeing evil when that’s literally her whole character.

The showrunners did not give Galadriel the respect she deserved.

vaquedoso, (edited )

I wouldn’t say naive, but definitely reckless. And I would 100% say they portrayed her as strong in the tv series. Hell, it begins with her on an incursion on the remains of angband, which if you know the lore I’d say it’s pretty badass. Her arc in season 1 was about how she was so blinded by revenge and recklessness, that she couldn’t see the evil in front of her. Which is pretty fitting for a noldor elf. It shows that even trying your hardest to make good, your actions can and will have unintended consequences, even ‘evil’ ones. Which perfectly sets up her eventual rejection of the one ring, during the mirror scene in fellowship of the ring. She knew then she’d have good intentions using it, but she also knew more evil will come with that

Cannibal_MoshpitV3,

Galadriel shouldn’t be blinded by revenge and recklessness, because Feanor murdered thousands of his own kin over his stolen Silmarils and Galadriel knew he would do something horrible for his own selfish reasons.

If she can see evil inside another person’s soul, surely she can see the consequences of her own actions 5 minutes before she takes said actions? Like jumping out of a boat hundreds of miles from any land mass? Or maybe she would know how and why the Queen of Numenor felt about helping her, prior to getting upset and yelling?

Nothing about her character in the Rings of Power has any respect for Tolkien’s work, because they dumbed her down and made her act incredibly stupid on multiple occasions, completely ignoring the power and wisdom she already possesses.

vaquedoso,

I don’t mean to start a discussion here, but this is your interpretation and it’s valid. But galadriel’s character has contradictory history depending on your sources (even regarding the kinslaying). And it’s debated even between Tolkien’s scholars the extend at which she can ‘sense evil’. After all, she herself was deceived by saruman after his corruption during the third age.

In your last paragraph you say ‘nothing about her character in the series has any respect for Tolkien’s work’. That’s simply hyperbole, and arguably not true, as even a surface level reading can prove otherwise. Such words are not Tolkien’s way.

Anyway, I don’t want you to change your mind, just want you to be aware of the possibility of other interpretations. Take care!

pbjamm,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

The story lines they fabricated were (mostly) formulaic, the effects were (mostly) poor, and the characters were (mostly) unlikable. Apart from that I liked it! :P

It had a few moments that I enjoyed but overall it fell flat because the characters where flat.

Xer0,

To me, it just seemed … dull. Like, the conversations characters were having weren’t interesting. What was happening on screen wasn’t interesting. I felt myself suddenly snapping back to reality several times each episode after my mind aimlessly drifted away from what I was watching. And I’m someone who doesn’t need Michael Bay explosions and constant action to enjoy a tv show. Really hope they turn it around and do something interesting with it. Absolute snooze fest.

pbjamm,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah. It had a few moments of character interaction that I liked but it mostly felt forced and dull. Sad really as it could have been much more than flashy.

KingThrillgore,
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  • magnor,
    @magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

    Holy shit is that article a heap of bigoted trash ramblings. I mean, I get that people disliked the series but this is full on Andrew Tate shit.

    Wermhatswormhat,

    It was but I can’t imagine how trashy this would have been if it came to light. We don’t need fan fiction to be confused with cannon.

    ninjan, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.

    In my opinion LotR should’ve already entered the public domain but thanks to Disney well have to wait until 2044 for that.

    sadreality,

    Reasonable takes like this hurt daddy's profits... is u a domestic terrorist?

    ninjan,

    Worse, a foreign one

    sadreality,

    Obama coming out of retirement to authorize this drone strike!

    "We will not stand by while our national security interests are being assaulted by the axis of evil"

    squiblet,
    @squiblet@kbin.social avatar

    “Axis of evil” was a GWB and Cheney thing. I don’t think Obama ever used the term.

    sadreality,

    i threw that in to keep satire level headed... this aint about Obama but rather the US government behavior overall.

    pbjamm,
    @pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

    Such optimism that it wont be extended again.

    Telorand, (edited )

    You can’t just extend copyright indefinitely. It’s not like a patent, where you can make minute changes and claim it’s a new product. The original works have a copyright limit of 95 years after the first date of publish (thanks Disney and other corporate lobbyists).

    If we go by The Return of the King, it was published in 1955. That means the words, the story, the settings, and the characters will be public domain in 2050. Steamboat Willie, on the other hand, was published in 1928. That means it expires at the end of this year. Unless Disney can convince Congress to change copyright law again, these copyrights all have hard expiration dates.

    ETA: Disney might have a case where they can claim copyright on the information they added or changed from the original works, just like how they can still claim copyright over Mickey after losing Steamboat Willie.

    And I’m sure they will, because fuck society, amirite? /s

    Auli,

    They already do. Winnie the Pooh is public domain but not Disneys version the one everyone thinks of.

    frezik,

    Works made for hire are 95 years from publication. LotR is not a work for hire, so it goes by life of the author plus 75 years. It goes public domain in 2044.

    BraveSirZaphod,
    @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

    Steamboat Willie, the first Mickey Mouse cartoon, will become public domain in literally 13 days.

    JohnDClay,

    Apparently it did for a short while in the US, but not anymore.

    mindbleach,

    Demand reform.

    30 years from publication, no exceptions.

    rikudou,

    And for commercial purposes only. If you’re not making money off of it, you should be able to use it however you want.

    BadlyDrawnRhino,

    I think an argument could be made to set it to the date of death of the author. I agree with the other guy that it should only apply to commercial works though.

    I also don’t think that the copyright should be transferable. The trading of ideas is an absurd concept to me. But then us humans do a lot of absurd things so I guess it’s just par for the course.

    PropaGandalf,

    Well public domain or not this changes nothing for the sailors of the high seas.

    sir_reginald,
    @sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

    not exactly. You can of course still get existing works by pirating them.

    But if the Tolkien works entered the public domain, anyone could use them for any creative purposes freely. And yes, a lot of the new material would be trash. But some excellent works would appear to.

    A good example of this is Lovecraft’s works and the Cthulhu Mythos, that although not public domain until recent years, Lovecraft encouraged others to use his own creations on their own stories, thus expanding the literary universe of his own creation. Some stories are awful, but there has also been a ton of great works based on Lovecraft’s creations that couldn’t have existed otherwise.

    DroneRights,

    Also Sherlock Holmes. Now, the BBC might have done a terrible job, but a lot of other people have written great stories because Sherlock Holmes is in the public domain

    Another character in the public domain is Zeus, and the rest of his family. Liked Disney’s Hercules? Supergiant’s Hades? Netflix’s Blood of Zeus? Riordan’s Percy Jackson? Only possible because of public domain.

    PoisonedPrisonPanda,

    LotR should’ve already entered the public domain

    Where is the petition to sign up for?

    SuddenDownpour,

    Don’t worry, they’ll manage to get it extended again before 2044.

    hh93,

    Can’t have the already well-off children go without their steady income that they didn’t have to work for…

    reverendsteveii,

    Well how else are we supposed to encourage people to be related to people who develop intellectual property? It makes sense from a neponomic standpoint.

    littlebluespark,
    @littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

    Necromonic, even.

    sqgl, (edited )

    Believe it or not, some people do work extra hard in order to ensure their descendants have an easy life. I’m not weighing in on whether that is wise or not but it is definitely a thing.

    DroneRights,

    Yeah, and that’s why white people are richer than black people today, even though slavery ostensibly ended 200 years ago. It’s time that we outlaw this behaviour.

    reverendsteveii,

    you’re gonna get downvoted but no amount of downvotes will change the fact that black people weren’t allowed to own things in america until most things were already owned by white people.

    EmergMemeHologram,

    It may as well be, they’re endorsing all sorts of shit content lately (like the Golem game, or the ring of power)

    vaquedoso, (edited )

    I haven’t played the gollum game, but rings of power was actually good tho

    Gormadt,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Do yourself a favor and don’t play the Gollum game

    It’s really bad

    vaquedoso, (edited )

    Honestly I don’t really care, I’m more inclined to strategy and 4x games.
    If you don mind me recommending a game, check out against the storm, it’s a city builder with rogue like elements, and it came out recently out of early access, it’s reaaaaally addicting

    EmergMemeHologram,

    I will take your advice and check out this game

    vaquedoso,

    Do let me know what you think of it!

    littlebluespark,
    @littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

    Better than the Mines of Moria, though… Barely, and only at times.

    frezik,

    The books go into public domain in 20 years. Now that Christopher Tolkien is out of the way (who tended to block a lot of stuff, for better or worse) , the current heirs want as much out of it as they can.

    20 years might sound like a lot, but that’s about as much time as between the Peter Jackson movies and now.

    Sylvartas,

    Tbh they seem to be a lot more “hands off” with non-canon stuff, which I think includes all of the LOTR/middle earth licensed games, and that’s not a bad thing imo.

    KingThrillgore,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    Embracer is gonna be the next one to beg for an extension.

    plain_and_simply, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.

    Wow that guy died first. How deluded

    PlasmaDistortion, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.

    This guy was just deluded to think he was in the right or could win.

    BearOfaTime, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.

    What was this guy thinking? He was clearly violating copyright.

    Is he just soft in the head, or is he up to something us not crazy people can’t see?

    Saeculum,

    His motivations are beyond our understanding

    ConstableJelly,

    First two books in the series were "Fellowship of the King" and "The Two Trees" so...I'm not entirely convinced they were even very original stories...

    BearOfaTime,

    I’m not a Tolkien fan and even I recognized that, haha.

    Wtf.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    So the third must be “Return of the Ring.”

    Telorand,

    Oh, is that the one where Bodo Fraggins goes on a long journey to give back to Soraun the ring he lost?

    RaoulDook,

    Frodeo Braggins is a short-statured cowboy with big hairy feet, and has a habit of boasting about improbably grandiose adventures

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    “Excuse me, Mr. Soraun, sir, I think you lost this a couple thousand years ago.”

    Th4tGuyII, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.
    @Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

    Going after the copyright holder for infringing on your work, which by merely existing commercially infringes on their copyright, is one hell of a way to get sued out the arse...

    Having said that, it is a crime that LOTR still hasn't entered the public domain yet.

    DarkGamer,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah, I'm not sure what this idiot thought would happen...

    n3m37h, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.

    Amazon should be sued for the Rings of Power

    Reverendender, (edited )

    I can’t really weigh in, as I couldn’t get more than 30 minutes into it.

    n3m37h,

    Exactly

    Zahille7,

    I watched the first episode, but stopped paying attention around the second scene with the proto-hobbits

    Karlos_Cantana, to piracy in Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.
    @Karlos_Cantana@kbin.social avatar

    I was going to write a Star Wars sequel and then sue Disney for copyright infringement, until I heard this story.

    FigMcLargeHuge,

    Don’t let your dreams be dreams! What were you going to spend all that money on anyway, retirement?

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