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M137, in Legendary exit for a legendary creator
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve always strongly disliked Tom, and I don’t really know why.
I love many channels with the same kind of videos, it’s right up my alley, and I should be a fan. But every time I try to watch any of his videos, I stop after a few seconds and think “nah, I can’t stand this guy”.
I’ve forced myself several times throughout the years to watch through whole videos with hope that it’ll pass, but it never does.
Everything else that I don’t like, I can explain why, but not with Tom and his videos.
The closest I can find is that he just seems like such a smug asshole.
I respect him as a creator and know that his videos are good. There’s just something in my brain that strongly reacts to him in a bad way. It so weird. He has covered many topics I’d love to know more about, and I’ve tried to watch those videos and just focus on the information, but I just can’t get past my mental and physical reaction of “stop, get away from this ASAP”.

Wolf_359,

Veritasium is like that for me. No clue why.

experbia,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, same for me. It’s hard to explain. It’s unfair, because it’s so arbitrary, but something about him feels somehow insincere, and it makes me uncomfortable.

nexguy,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

Vsauce is like that for me. Ever since he tricked people into believing they had actually mutilated and killed people with a train for an experiment possibly giving them real ptsd…

CapeWearingAeroplane,

Vsauce for me as well, I like veritasium, because I feel like the questions being asked/answered are legitimately interesting questions/answers. With Vsauce I feel like the whole thing is just about him constructing unnecessarily “out of the box” answers in order to look smart.

FeatherConstrictor,

WOAH when did that happen, is the video still up?

nexguy,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

Look up The Trolly Problem In Real Life by vsauce

DrZoidbergYes,

For me it was how he would start his videos with asking people what he thought about something them basically going, I’m so much smarter than you here a video of why you are wrong you. Never included people getting it right because it wouldn’t fit his self centered narrative. I heard he’s stopped doing that but I won’t watch to find out.

tias, (edited )

For me it’s that he likes to go around asking people physics questions that he knows they will fail to answer correctly, only to smugly explain how they’re wrong.

It’s like those videos where they ask Americans to point to countries on a map so we can laugh at how bad they are at geography… if it was made by Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory. Thing is I usually know the answers to the questions so I get a kind of second-hand shame because I would totally feel like an arrogant prick if I did people dirty like that.

ad_on_is,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

imo, his videos are just too long and boring throughout the middle part.

catchy intro… something something something, recap

goldgate,

Read this in Tom’s voice.

JigglySackles,

For me it’s the way he talks. Like he talks just like the smarmy British presenters and narrators that sound borderline condescending whether that’s their intention or not.

lobut,

My mate told me that he seems very smug and not very English. I found that quite funny. I don’t particularly dislike Tom but I don’t go out of my way to watch him like others. I still remember his OnlyConnect appearances from way back. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea and that’s fine.

FiskFisk33,

…the fuck?

madcaesar,

I disagree but respect your opinion. I have the same feelings for MKHBD. People love his reviews but I’ve always found him to be shallow and a shill.

Penta,

What is this guy on about 💀

Kolli, (edited )

On a lighter note, anyone find that copypasta/comment where sameone accused Tom Scott of stealing his girlfriend at a party etc.?

EDIT:

Found it, it was a lemmy post. lemm.ee/post/6282702

Neve8028,

The closest I can find is that he just seems like such a smug asshole.

Check out Tom Scott Plus! He challenges himself a lot on that channel and pushes himself out of his comfort zone! I think it’s a great display of his humility and shows him outside of his usual role as more of a narrator on his main channel.

Some of my favorites from the plus channel are the episodes where he gives his producer a tattoo, overcomes his fear of rollercoasters, and tries to learn wrestling.

Cheskaz,

It’s interesting how different people interpret attitude in vastly different ways. Because where you (and others I’ve seen in other threads) find him smug and an asshole, I only ever found him to be extremely sincere and excited to learn and educate.

Although, I’d love to know what channels you watch that cover similar topics! Wasting time on YouTube doesn’t feel as unproductive if the videos are educational…

Eximius,

I wonder if it’s his accent that people perceive as snobby? And if the people who do perceive it so are American.

DJDarren,

The lad’s from Mansfield. I, a south coast southerner, hear his accent and think; “Ah, a man of The North, humble, salt of the earth kind of chap.”

I don’t think snobby.

eddietrax,
@eddietrax@dmv.social avatar

I’m American and a) don’t equate an accent to a demeanor and b) I find Tom to be a joy.

usualsuspect191, in A handy guide this holiday season.

The overlap between gangster rappers and Santa: cap

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

Shorty get your ass over here

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
oo1,

slay

Fetus, in These body standards are out of hand

That’s Lindsay Lohands.

Macaroni_ninja, (edited )
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

Also known as Handsy Lindsay

PopcornPrincess,

She’s returned to monke.

stoy, in it always interesting when multi billion dollar company's costing system is a 63 tab excel 97 spreadsheet at it's core...

IT guy here, Excel is a data analytics tool, not a database, not a word processor, not a sales system, not a photo album, not a notepad, not a paint program.

If at anytime you are treating Excel as a database, you are doing it wrong, and you deserve me mocking you when asking for help recovering it when it breaks, I won’t as I am not a dick, but if I did, you would deserve it.

If you want a database, build an SQL database, or have someone build it for you, not me.

Evil_Shrubbery,

Excel is a game dev and game test kit.

Like Snakes, Bowman, CimCity, etc

BeardedGingerWonder,

Correct, it’s for tracking work items.

Samsy, (edited )

The problem is, people dig to deep into excel functions, some of them could easily build a database or do some programming (if/else), but they know nothing outside of their ms-office -ecosystem.

Just a hint for ms-office devs, why not a low-code-builder with SQL backend. Just call it squirrel or powersql or something.

ElderWendigo,

It’s more than just knowing things outside the ms office ecosystem. People use the tools they have. So when IT locks down the whole system and it takes an act of God to get anything else installed, you find ways to hammer that nail with whatever blunt object you have in hand.

nxdefiant,

MS Access is a thing…

bobs_monkey,

And it’s terrible.

The_v,

It wasn’t that bad in 2003. Too bad it’s still stuck there.

nxdefiant,

exactly this. 200%

KilroyIsHere,
@KilroyIsHere@lemmy.world avatar

Power Platform with dataverse is essentially this

taiyang,

Technically even Access would make more sense. Isn’t that part of the same office package or does that cost more?

Granted, SQL is still better but I’ve worked in government where you’re lucky to be using digital sheets at all.

MacNCheezus,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Isn’t that part of the same office package or does that cost more?

Not sure about the current state of things since I haven’t used MS Office in decades, and I believe it’s entirely made of web apps now, but Access definitely used to be extra. As in, there always were at least two editions of Office, one that included Access and one that didn’t. And the former was significantly more expensive.

stoy,

I specifically avoided mentioning Access as I have hear horror stories about it when it goes too far.

taiyang,

All those stories are 100% true. And when someone did end up hosting an Oracle based SQL database, they’d pull from it in Access and it’d take several hours for one query. My R code did the same in about 10 seconds.

It’s not good software. Lol

stoy,

Access has its uses, need a database to catalog your (parents) physical photo albums, or perhaps you want to have a database for recipies at home to make them easier to find, then in those cases Access should be fine if you are willing to maintain it.

not_again,

Reminding me of corrupted .mdb files means I need more alcohol tonight to pacify the demons in my head

Fuck_u_spez_,

Shit, I’ll mock them. I’m too jaded and depressed at this point in my career to give a fuck. I’ll go full Nick Burns on their asses if one of my end users wants to use Excel as a database and expects me to make it work. The may even learn something in the process. It might be the fact that I’m a dick, but everyone figures that out pretty quickly.

Sweetpeaches69,

Dudes rock

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited )

Its not that simple.

Yes, there are the people who think there is genuinely no problem with this. Just like there are people who will never delete a line of code in favor of commenting everything and who refuse to write commit messages no matter how many times their co-workers beg them to.

But, generally, people know it is a horrible workflow and is prone to failure. But there is no time and resources available to revamp the entire system. Because that likely involves going “offline” for the migration as well as the subsequent retraining. Its no different than the technical debt we all laugh and cry about. We know that server is held together with chewing gum and shoe strings but we don’t have time or authorization to tear it down and rebuild it from scratch. We are just hoping it doesn’t fail at a bad time.

If you’re lucky? You can periodically export the excel sheet to a database (sql or access, it doesn’t matter). You are still doing things wrong but you at least have a recovery option at that point. But, if you can’t, you are more or less fucked and know it.


As for another Lesson Learned. A database solution without high-ish availability and backups is actually worse than the god awful spreadsheet. Because people know when the spreadsheet fail and likely are self-important enough they will stop everything to recover it. People tend to ignore error messages when they try to submit a record or save something and you find out that the disk failed last week and you lost everything.

bajabound,

Whew, glad you didn’t say it wasn’t a password manager…

thedolanduck,

My old boss used it a password manager, no kidding…

Uncle_Bagel,

My old company had a saved spreadsheet on the O:drive called “Passwords”

bajabound,

Our users have had access to Password Safe, then Keepass, then LastPass, now Keeper. Guess what still pops up in screen shares.

YoorWeb,

Years ago, I’ve recommended KeePass to a girl from marketing who kept a long list of passwords on paper on her desk. She forgot the master pass after a week or so. That was the end of my trust in users’ ability to maintain a safe environment.

Socsa,

It’s not even a good analytics tool. If you submit an academic paper with excel plots in it, I’ll reject that shit without reading it and type “lmaoooooooo…” To the review character limit.

My 12 year old child knows how to use matplotlib and he thinks Santa can fit down a chimney.

stoy,

It is good enough for financial and marketing analytics, just because there are better tools for scientific applications doesn’t make Excel a bad analytic tool for general use.

Socsa,

It depends on the scale. I’ll agree that excel is a great tool for household finances.

Suburbanl3g3nd,

It’s great at (correspondence) Battleship with a coworker though. Didn’t see this on the “not a…” list. Oh, and (correspondence) Guess Who!

flambonkscious,

I love the idea of xls applications, that’s really evil!

CosmicTurtle,

I work for a Fortune 500 company and I can tell you the reason why excel (and Google sheets) are used inappropriately is because cyber data controls make creating and maintaining a database very hard. Not only that but the skills required to know how to make a table in a spreadsheet is nowhere near the skills required to deploy, maintain, and provision a database table.

Spreadsheets don’t require a UI to be built. People don’t have to learn a new app just to be able to see data.

I’m an IT guy too and I’m the first to tell you that spreadsheets suck. But when it takes an act of a board to create new tables in a database, I tell ya…might as well just use spreadsheets.

NakariLexfortaine, in Fine. Just combine your powers without me.

Heart, while a terribly defined power, was shown to be able to influence animals to do your bidding in a comic.

This motherfucker coulda been rollin’ up on a tide of goddamn bears to these engagements. Shit yeah, gimme that ring, I’m headin’ to the closest zoo.

Pinklink,

I mean, we all have hearts don’t we? Who’s up for doing my bidding?

NakariLexfortaine,

Do you have a magic ring that amplifies your desire to compel others?

… Shit, now I don’t know if Ma-Ti needs to wield it, or throw it into the fires of Mordor.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I imagine whoever was forced to do that comic tried to make it as non-sucky as possible.

NakariLexfortaine,

It was 90s Marvel. Each issue stank of desperation and cocaine, and it still only got 12 issues.

ROM got better treatment.

joyjoy,

He’s Aquaman, except he can control not just fish.

TheEntity,

Now that I think about it, any of the kids could do much more with their power. Fine, "heart" can control animals. But then we have earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis and whatever flamey shit fire can do. Basically if we drop the limitations of the user not willing to go all out, they all get buffed and "heart" still sounds underpowered. Unless it can control human minds too, now we're talking!

NakariLexfortaine,

I swear he did something to a guys mind to basically make himself “invisible” by compelling the enemy to not see him as he broke into their base.

Not a showy use, but still kinda clever and stupid.

mosiacmango, (edited )

There was a “power glove” episode that did this i think? It gave whichever ring bearer who had it like 100x power with their ring. Of course it was evil, and i want to say it was mai tai and the “heart” ring that won the day, but I can’t be assed to find the episode to make sure.

grue,

i want to say it was mai tai and the “heart” ring that won the day

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/58400092-4f00-4238-af67-d582080b5de5.png

spudwart,
@spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

It’s like how people thought Air Bending was the weakest bending in Avatar, and then we watched a man suck the air out of someone’s lungs.

Do not mistake the act of reservation as weakness.

mosiacmango,

Every flamethrower motherfucker is a badass until they are on the floor, gasping and convulsing for air.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Plus, fire requires oxygen. Their flames are useless if an airbender can just remove the oxygen from the air or suffocate the fire entirely.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Air bending weak? Bro it’s the one bending style that doesn’t have an ingrained weakness.

No water? Fucked.

No Earth? Fucked.

Too cold/eclipse? Fucked.

No air? Well you’re already fucked for different reasons, so unless they develop space travel air benders will never lose their element.

swab148,
@swab148@lemm.ee avatar

But, it gets no boosts, like the moon or the sun being stronger. Earth also gets no boosts, but it’s balanced by offensive power, whereas Air is a defensive element.

As far as space travel goes, if any benders were involved at all, they’d have to be a team in close concert, because any one of them holds the power to kill everyone on the ship.

But, if they decide to continue the story in that way, I would be 100% down to watch that.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Earth is balanced by having two advanced forms, fire and water only have lightning and blood bending respectively. Earth has metal and lava both, though even if a bender is capable of either they only get one.

I always felt that air kind of got ripped off by not having any kind of advanced form but occasionally they just learned to fly so I guess that’s pretty unique and powerful.

Witchfire, (edited )
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

Water has healing (and ice, technically). Fire has combustion and also has lava. Also, blood bending is OP

I headcannon combustion bending as a mix of air and fire

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

I always forget about combustion bending because of how rare it was.

Ice is just frozen water so idk if it should really count. Healing is a nice benefit but water is also the least likely element to be around unless you live near a major body of it.

Witchfire,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

Katara healed Aang while riding on Appa. I think they can manage.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Weirdly defensive lol

Water bending is objectively the scarcest element and specifically why they settle at the poles where construction with ice is simple. That’s why they have so many benefits like healing and being overpowered with blood bending.

Air and fire are at will, and earth exists wherever humans live since we aren’t aquatic. Water definitely has to plan for not being near water, no one else really has to do that kind of a thing.

swab148,
@swab148@lemm.ee avatar

It’s been a minute, but I seem to remember Katara carrying a vial of water with her, maybe that’s standard practice among water benders.

Cannibal_MoshpitV3, in Beast about to strike

Distorting images to hide bad cropping from removing watermarks lmfao

empireOfLove,

Humor is also inversely proportional to image resolution

ericisshort, in Japanese chip flavors

I was hoping translation would clear up the picture, but no such luck…

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d77419c3-f987-4b80-9244-a77ae7a729be.jpeg

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

As someone who is currently learning japanese

Google translate doesn’t translate stuff well

youtu.be/4J4id5jnEo8?si=V_B0pb2s4Qw1zn2a

loomi,

This sort of helps explains a bit more… leading to a whole bunch of other questions

www.japanesewithanime.com/2021/…/denki-anma.html?…

ElBarto,
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

Fuckin Japan, every answer is just 5 new questions.

GreenPlasticSushiGrass,
@GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social avatar
e0qdk, (edited )
@e0qdk@kbin.social avatar

電気あんま

pressing one's foot on the genitals of a supine person while pulling on their feet (usu. as a prank); electric massage​

-- https://jisho.org/word/%E9%9B%BB%E6%B0%97%E3%81%82%E3%82%93%E3%81%BE

復活

  1. revival (of an old system, custom, fashion, etc.); restoration; return; comeback​
  2. resurrection; rebirth​

-- https://jisho.org/word/%E5%BE%A9%E6%B4%BB

Still WTF, but at least the label matches the picture...

Edit: the lower left probably says something about black pepper and salt (ブラックペッパー&ソルト) -- I can't tell what the rest of the characters are though through the JPG compression. Probably (<something> included) for the parenthesis bit?

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Why did you replace the 「と」with “&”

It would be better if you left the original text in the quote unaltered

e0qdk,
@e0qdk@kbin.social avatar

I didn't. I wrote & because it looks like the text actually says & as far as I can tell -- not と.

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Well it does say 「と」 on the packaging

I assumed you replaced it because as a particle it can be used as a particle to say “and” in Japanese

For example

あさみ と みほ.
(Real Japanese won’t have spaces in it, I just added them for this example to indicate the names and the particle)

Means “Asami and Miho”

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

FYI 「」 are just quote marks in Japanese if you didn’t know that

ericisshort,

Thanks, I should’ve looked up “electric massage” on urban dictionary after the translation.

JizzmasterD,

Like the Japanese version of the North American “Gas Pedal”?

Witchfire, (edited ) in help
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

Given that you can’t even do laser removal near the eyes, I’m putting my money on that being makeup/a shop.

Also the white in the teeth doesn’t look like white tattoo ink, unless it’s super fresh

Edit for source: I too have many a tattoo

EatYouWell,

It looks real to me. White ink looks really good for a few months to a year before it starts to look gross and yellow.

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

I think it’s a real tattoo, but not on the eye, but from some other body part. It’s photoshopped over the eye. The bad quality helps a lot.

Veticia,
@Veticia@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m choosing to belive this over the alternative just to save my sanity.

afraid_of_zombies,
kamenlady, (edited )
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

I stand corrected & i need more pics from this tattoo. Would like to see how their profile looks, the full face, from afar.

afraid_of_zombies,

I just searched online for Plankton face tat.

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Me too, after i saw your image. Lots of plankton tats, but didn’t find another perspective from this one.

Since he’s gonna live with that like, forever, at least it seems to be placed at the right spot, for his eye movements to fill plankton with life.

Tyfud, (edited )

Generally agree. but the line work here looks exactly like line work for tatoos on skin. If it was drawn on, you wouldn’t have the green bleeding out and in to the line work. That happens because the colors are mixing sub-dermally, just below the surface of the skin. This is generally because your fill needles are huge bundles of several needles and they always tend to bleed into/under the black line work. That’s why you need extremely thick, well defined lines so it can hide the color fills bleeding through. In this case, it looks like some of the color got through.

The white as well is pretty spot on for white inkwork. That’s the white color you get only for the first few months of a color tattoo.

Honestly, I think this is legit.

Could be wrong, but it looks real.

Source: I have many, many tattoos over much of my body, and several in color with white accents that looked exactly like this for the first few months after it healed.

Donkter,

Could be having fun with tattoo practice.

sgbrain7,

Yeah, I’m not sure you can even get tattoos that close to the eye…or can you?

Witchfire,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

You can get permanent eyeliner via a technique called microblading, but it’s not usually done by tattoo artists.

EatYouWell,

There are artists that do permanent makeup that isn’t microblading, but iirc the technique is pretty different than most other areas of the body, so most don’t bother with it.

EatYouWell, (edited )

You can definitely get both your eyelids and your eyeballs tattooed.

sgbrain7,

Oh, yeah, I totally forgot about eyeball tattooing.

spittingimage,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

Wish I could. 😱

sgbrain7,

Wait, can’t those blind you? I wouldn’t want to get a bunch of pretty ink in my cornea just for that to happen.

spittingimage,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

Possibly? My main objection was the needles in the eye.

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

tattooing eyeballs

A high risk procedure that will ruin the eye and render you blind if done wrong.

Arghblarg, in How was your day?
@Arghblarg@lemmy.ca avatar

From what I’ve read over the years, he’s hella-fired as soon as this pic gets around.

AlligatorBlizzard,

Not sure about the actor in the pic, but whoever took it would definitely be fired and put on a do not rehire list if they figured out who it was because they pretty explicitly tell you during Traditions to not ruin the “magic” for other people (and it leads to some weird language games to not break their quasi kayfabe), but I think I agree with whoever said this was not Disney, that costume looks sus.

Duamerthrax,

This is probably a bootleg. Like those people in costumes in times square that harass tourists.

FunderPants,

What harassment? Those official autographed mix tapes are fire 🔥 👌

Afghaniscran, in Tradition
TWeaK,

Was gonna say, hold my pint (but only after I’ve drunk it).

Also US pints are pussies, they should just switch to metric. Meanwhile UK pints are king.

Moderationslog,

Amateure

Todesschnitzel,

Wie bitte?

don,

Чего вы говорите?

LemmyIsFantastic,

It’s still a 4% pale ale that tastes like piss though.

lars,

they should just switch to metric

Can you imagine a place that uses imperial units next to metric units, in some unholy alliance that’s clearly worse than imperial units alone? Welcome to the UK, bruv.

enki, (edited )

I mean we use US customary and metric too, but US customary measurements aren’t always the same as Imperial.

1 US pint = 16 US fluid ounces

1 British pint = 20 British fluid ounces

But wait!

1 British pint = 19.2 US fluid ounces

Would you like to know more? Probably not, but anyways: …wikipedia.org/…/Comparison_of_the_imperial_and_U…

TWeaK,

In real money:

1 US pint = 473ml

1 UK pint = 568ml

Meanwhile the standard metric measure is 500ml. So US would benefit from dropping the pint in favour of metric, while UK drinkers would be understandably reluctant. Unfortunately, most UK bottles are now 500ml, thanks to shrinkflation. Newcastle Brown held out for a while, so did ciders, but these days pint bottles are quite rare.

PsychedSy,

Even better, we refer to bottles of liquor as a pint, a fifth and a handle. A pint is 375ml, a fifth is 750ml and a handle is 1.75l. Not even mixed - metric volumes with US customary names.

BeefPiano, in Elon hires JC

The joke is that’s John Cena and he says “you can’t see me”

Windex007, in Open your eyes, people.

You’re only scratching the surface, it goes so much deeper than that

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a042c95d-e21c-45b1-b28a-e4d042683536.jpeg

Fermion,

Wouldn’t you swap the cat and mouse toy positions? You manipulate the mouse toy to in turn manipulate your cat.

Windex007,

No my cat dominates that toy regardless of what I’m doing

variants,

Cat should really be above you

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Bold of you to think that it is you that is manipulating your cat, instead of the other way around:-D.

Fermion,

So would it go Media -> cat -> toy -> you?

dalekcaan,

I hate how the libruhl media keeps trying to brainwash my cat >:(

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Media -> cat -> you -> that one pesky bird -> comrade worm

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Hrm, that is how I pictured it, but now that we are examining the situation more deeply, perhaps it might go Cat -> Media -> Toy -> You? :-P

variants,

I think we’ll give you some credit and move toy to the bottom

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Oh, whoops - but I’m not going to edit that, just leave that little gem in there to find, when aliens discover the earth millennia from now and ask themselves “what were ancient humans like, on this in-ter-net thingie?”:-P.

key, in I'm trying to think of something more stupid than this but it's not easy...
@key@lemmy.keychat.org avatar

It’s like someone explained the idea of a mailing list but they didn’t quite get it.

d00phy, in Piers Morgan gets owned

Isn’t “getting owned” basically this douche’s job?

some_guy, in Alec Baldwin charged for shooting;

How he can be tried for the duty of a prop person or the director who hired that person is beyond ludicrous. The man showed up to do a job. That job was not to keep the props safe. He was handed a tool and told it was ok to use. Fuck this system. Let him go about his life. I’m sure the trauma of having shot someone for real is enough to make him double-check for the rest of his life. That’s enough.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Baldwin didn’t “show up to do a job.” He was a producer on the film, not just an actor.

aStonedSanta,

Exactly. It happened on his set by his hand. Makes a bit more of a tough situation

nudnyekscentryk, (edited )
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

No it doesn’t. If I cut the brakes in your car and it causes you to run into someone, then it’s my fault, not yours.

Edit: you know who else could be found viable? The service person who checked the vehicle before you took it on the road and allowed it through despite nonfunctional breaks.

heckypecky,

A gun’s purpose is to kill people, a car’s is not. The analogy is flawed.

Still, assuming you have mandatory regular inspections of cars in the US, imagine you are an experienced mechanic by profession. Someone lends you a car and says it’s safe but you know immediately this rustbucket hasn’t been to an inspection in decades. By experience and papers. But you drive in a public space anyways and kill someone due to a fault that would have been found during an inspection. It is 100% your fault.

As I understand it, following safety procedures would have prevented this death, in the same way nonfunctional brakes would certainly be found during service.

On a side note, as an electrician who has to sign documents that electrical devices are safe to use, if one of those devices kills someone and I can prove that I followed protocol during testing, I am in the clear. Following rules makes the difference between a tragic accident and negligence.

Menteros,

A gun’s purpose is to kill people

Spoken like a true psychopath.

A gun’s purpose is to provide safety and utility to the bearer. “Killing people” that are attempting to harm you is called self-defense and is totally legal.

SuperSaiyanSwag,

Producer is a broad term, there are many producers for a movie. He was likely just overseeing casting and other actor stuff.

Drivebyhaiku, (edited )

Umm. No. Sorry gunna pull my union card on this one since this is my Industry and while I am not an armorer or a props person I am emeshed in their understanding of property on a set as an On set dresser.

There is a legal duty of care held by everyone who handles a prop weapon. Furthermore there is a duty of care held by Producers on a show. Baldwin was not just an actor, he was a producer on Rust which means he had hiring and firing power.

Regularly this is how prop weapon safety works.

Prop weapons are only handled by an armorer who must maintain a full supervision of the weapon. It can never be used with live ammunition.

Loading can only ever take place by the props person (non union exception) or a designated armorer who must have an up to date licence.

Any mishandling of the weapon up to this stage leaves the armourer open to criminal liability. If someone steps in to this process at this stage they might take the lions share of liability. If an actor or someone who is not the props person charged with care of the weapon grabs it for instance without a hand off.

During the hand off of the weapon to an actor the props person does a last physical check of all the rounds in the weapon in sight of the actor. IF an actor accepts a weapon without doing this check then they are considered criminally negligent for any harm done with the weapon that would have been reasonably negated by this step. If the actor uses the weapon in a way that is unsafe after this check all liability is shoulded by the actor.

Following the weapon that killed on Rust it was used with live ammunition to shoot cans and abandoned on a cart. This makes the props person negligent by film safety practice. It was picked up by the 1st Assistant Director whom was not entitled to handle the weapon AT ALL which transfers some criminal negligence to him. The 1st AD handed the weapon to Baldwin and claimed it was a safe weapon WITHOUT performing the check. Anyone who saw this trade off on the set should have set off general alarm. But they didn’t. This could have had to do with power imbalances on set. You generally do not tell a Producer that they are doing something wrong unless you are either willing to trust the producer to be reasonable or baring that, are willing to lose your job. Wrongful termination suits are nigh nonexistent in film because chasing one might blacklist you from other productions.

The 1st AD is the main safety officer on set and Baldwin as an experienced actor would have been briefed on weapon safety protocols many times before. Having the 1st AD just hand you a weapon on set EVEN one that is an inert rubber replica would be an instant firing offence for the AD. Accepting the weapon without insisting on a check leaves the liability on the actor. They might have a lesser share depending on how experienced they might be. If they were ignorant of the protocol at the time then the production team would take that share liability for not properly enforcing safety on the set.

Baldwin as a producer in the days leading up to the accident had shown signs of being negligent in other areas of production safety and the people hired into positions that were to enforce safety on set. People left the production citing the unsafe conditions in protest. He may not shoulder the full liability of criminal negligence but he ABSOLUTELY owns a chunk of it. Directors and Producers REGULARLY push the boundaries of crew safety when they think they can get away with it and the bigger the name the more likely these accidents are. Remembering WHY we have these safety protocols and the people injured or killed in the past is something that is well known in the industry. We remember those killed or permanently maimed by production negligence because there but for the grace of God go us. Everyone who has been in this industry more than a decade personally knows someone whose life was permanently impacted by a bigshot throwing their weight around because of the natural power imbalances on set. One of my Co-workers sustained a permanently debilitating brain injury last year for just this reason. You dice with some one else’s death you gotta pay up when you lose.

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

TIL that being an actor requires a law degree if you don’t want to potentially end up in jail.

Drivebyhaiku,

Nope, all actors need to know is “Don’t take a gun from anyone but a props person and make sure they open the chamber, remove and check each round in the chamber while you watch.”

It’s like one or two more steps complicated than telling a young child “don’t take medicine from anyone but a parent”.

moon,

Damn this should be a best of Lemmy post if we have a community for that

RootAccess,

I enjoy having my mind changed by well-written, well-reasoned posts from people who are informed. Thank you.

Drivebyhaiku,

Thank you for having your mind changed!

A lot of people fall into error regarding common sense safety on set…like I have heard people go on about how “brave” Lady Gaga was to throw her weight around to film her video in an actual thunderstorm because the outcome was “worth it” not realizing how many injuries, including potentially fatal injuries could have resulted on the crew. People tend to sympathize and uncritically digest what people they “know” and respect tell them versus the rest of us who are relatively faceless.

The particularly upsetting thing is I know people who have literally ruined people’s lives and not only are they still working but overall they don’t change. The presumption that someone actually feels bad and applies that later isn’t my experience. At some level they find ways to self justify that what they did was reasonable and then they just blindly trust that lightning won’t strike twice.

maryjayjay,

Lemmy needs a Best Of so this could be posted to it

nudnyekscentryk,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

Your comment, if anything, proves it’s the AD who’s responsible

Drivebyhaiku, (edited )

That’s not how liability works. It’s not a hot potato that stops with the first person in a chain of people who did wrong. Everyone who contributes to a catastrophe of broken rules essentially gets a slice of the consequence pie the only thing that changes is how big a slice of the overall pie you get.

Here’s what the situation says to me. You have a 1st AD and a Principle and senior Actor/ Producer who were breaking the most basic of rules. For context on a film set say a camera person sets a case of lenses on something I as a set dresser need to move. It is largely unacceptable for me to even touch that box until I have tried everything viable to hail the correct department to move it. If somebody tries to hand me something I am not supposed to be handed I go talk to their supervisor. Some things even if I have explicit permission to handle from a props person, like a gun, I am liable if I handle it anyway because there is no circumstances where me putting my hand on that item is acceptable. First rule on a set you learn day one “Don’t touch ANYTHING that belongs to someone outside your department”.

If this incredibly basic rule was SO flagrantly violated on so many levels by THE CHEIF SAFETY OFFICER ON SET that tells me that the safety problems and the culture of improper protocol were endemic on the set. This very obviously wasn’t one bad day of lax protocols. This was an unsafe set and an everyday unsafe crew culture. Lots of times you don’t get burned when something isn’t safe so people try their luck which is all fine and dandy until tragedy hits.

This AD had a previous incident where a gun he handled fired a live round went off on a set and just didn’t hit anybody. At that point people should have fucking hung drawn and quarted him and busted him back down to Trainee. He was a demonstratilably consistent danger to the crews he was on but Rust STILL HIRED him as their primary safety officer anyway.

When something goes this desperately wrong that pie gets so big there’s a slice for everyone. The other Producers on this show had a duty to hire people who do the job properly. The 1st AD is a major hire. Ist ADs arguably do more to protect production liability than a Director does and production has their eye on the pick. If something a director wants is unsafe it is a 1st AD who has veto power. They set the culture of the set to make provisions for safety. If you rent a peice of equipment that has a record of dangerously failure and one of your workers gets hurt by it you as an employer get burned. The same goes for personnel. The producers absolutely should find some liability pie on their plates too. Are they gunna get prison time? Probably not but they are still negligent and there are consequences that scale to fit.

nudnyekscentryk,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

Baldwin could very well be the armorer’s direct supervisor and father and it still would be her and the ADs fuck-up the gun shot a live round.

She was hired for the sole purpose of making sure all guns on set are handled safely and she simply failed: the shooting is her fault and I’m sure despite all of us getting riled up in the comments this in fact will be the final verdict

Drivebyhaiku,

It’s true it’s ultimately a matter for the courts to figure out. But I will tell you that I know what sets like these are like. I worked a lot of them back when I was new and I know rhe type. The assumption of remorse is bullshit. There are plenty of big shots who coerce people into getting debilitatingly hurt in my industry and after they feign a period of remorse it is right back to business as usual.

Baldwin deserves his lumps. He had to have been a greenhorn on his first day on set and a fucking king of idiots besides to not know better. If public opinion won’t hold him to account because they buy his bullshit victim card act I hope he sees consequences in court.

nudnyekscentryk,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

I couldn’t give less shits about him in particular, because being non-american I have never heard of him before I saw this particular meme on Lemmy.

I just wish to believe at least in the justice system in the US. I’m still skeptical about the Rittenhouse verdict but if the fucking armourer isn’t found guilty and Baldwin is instead, then this just confirms your system is broken.

some_guy,

This is new info to me (producer). Thanks for enlightening me.

Drivebyhaiku, (edited )

The instinct is to react to something like this as a potential trolling move but… You could be sincere. I can’t say my brushes with Producers has given me much faith in their understanding of interdepartmental property management. Kind of makes sense since the general attitude I’ve noted regarding most potential Producer caused property damages from people at my level is “if they want to ruin the equipment we’ve rented they are the ones paying for it in the first place.”

I don’t tend to think of our industry as being very grounded. I have had production designers, directors and decorators ask for things that are quite frankly impossible by the easily observable laws of physics with no idea about how absurd they sound… But it’s something of a career limiting move to frame their request as being astronomically dumb when suggesting the potential complications. The “Emporer has no Clothes” effect is alive in film. But when you look at things from an outside legal perspective you have employers and employees and the chain of responsibilities to maintain a safe work environment. Most of the time the actual nuts and bolts work is the domain of the PM to mitigate potential damage to the overall investment.

I think union film work is in part generally pretty well inoculated against the majority of criminal negligence cases by the culture of highly regimented structure… And endemic jadedness at the bottom. A newbie will light themselves on fire to keep production warm but that isn’t good for production or the newbie so it’s unofficial job of the seniors in lateral positions and the boss directly above to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Most of the time it seems like the creative captains and financiers of the ship keep their eye firmly on what they want to creativity achieve and rhen the bosses below look at their first job as being to impress. We play very risky political game with our own supervisors if we call foul. Put a call into an IATSE steward about a safety concern that makes a boss look bad and they will give you the straight rule as best they can apply it to your complaint but they also give you a caution that just because the rules are there to protect your safety doesn’t mean that you as a laborer won’t have your career harmed for standing your ground.

We’re all just day calls. We don’t have to be fired. Our bosses just don’t have to hire us back for the next show and the people at the top never need to know.

Doorbook,

“The trio behind the monitor began repositioning the camera to remove a shadow, and Baldwin began explaining to the crew how he planned to draw the firearm. He said, “So, I guess I’m gonna take this out, pull it, and go, ‘Bang!’” When he removed it from the holster, the revolver discharged a single time. Baldwin denied pulling the trigger of the gun, while ABC News described a later FBI report stating that the gun could only fire if the trigger was pulled. Halls was quoted by his attorney Lisa Torraco as saying that Baldwin did not pull the trigger, and that Baldwin’s finger was never within the trigger guard during the incident. When the gun fired, the projectile traveled towards the three behind the monitor. It struck Hutchins in the chest, traveled through her body, and then hit Souza in the shoulder. Script supervisor Mamie Mitchell called 9-1-1 at 1:46 p.m. PT and emergency crews appeared three minutes later. Footage of the incident was not recorded.”

"In August 2022, FBI forensic testing and investigation of the firearm determined the Pietta .45 Long Colt Single Action Army revolver could not have been fired without a trigger pull from a quarter cocked, half-cocked, or fully cocked hammer position. It was also determined that the internal components of the revolver were intact and functional which ruled out mechanical failure as a reason for an accidental discharge. Baldwin stated during a December 2021 interview for ABC News that “the trigger wasn’t pulled” and “I didn’t pull the trigger.”

So he most likely lied about it. Maybe he was drunk or on drugs…

“On January 19, 2023, New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies said she would charge Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed with two counts each of involuntary manslaughter. Halls agreed to plead guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon, and received a suspended sentence and six months of probation.”

"On June 22, 2023, Gutierrez-Reed faced a second charge of tampering with evidence, in which the special prosecutors allege that she transferred “narcotics to another person with the intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of herself.” They later specify from a June 29 court filing that she attempted to conceal a small bag of cocaine the night of the fatal shooting after her initial police interview. On August 4, 2023, Gutierrez-Reed waived her right to a preliminary hearing to determine whether or not the criminal charges would stand, thus allowing the trial to move forward and on August 9, she pleaded not guilty to both charges. On August 21, a New Mexico judge scheduled her trial to run February 21 through March 6, 2024.”

There were drugs on set.

“On November 10, Rust gaffer Serge Svetnoy filed a lawsuit against the production for general negligence. A second lawsuit was filed on November 17 by script supervisor Mamie Mitchell, who says the script did not call for the discharging of a firearm. On January 23, 2022, Baldwin and other producers filed a memorandum that asked a California judge to dismiss the November 17, 2021 lawsuit by Mitchell. In November 2022, the court rejected a request to dismiss Mitchell’s lawsuit against Baldwin and his production company”

I didn’t know it is his own company as well…

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