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patomaloqueiro, in Get out and vote!
@patomaloqueiro@lemmy.ml avatar

Voting is important, but only an organized revolution is capable of breaking the system that fucks us up

Lamb,

🫡

tacosanonymous,

Start it then.

0x4E4F, in ¿¿Que??

Yeah, I never got the upside-down questionmark as well 😂.

bleistift2,

*either

Grammar nazi out.

0x4E4F,

Yes, that would be better 👍.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s so you can start reading a sentence in the correct intonation

magnetosphere,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

This can’t be right. It’s far too simple and logical. I’m a native English speaker, and I’m used to grammar that’s nonsensical and inconsistent.

araozu,

In spanish questions intonation changes occur only on the last word(s), not the whole sentence. I’m not a linguistic, but I think it’s so you can be sure a sentence is a question from the start.

When reading english sometimes I assume a sentence is an affirmation until I see the question mark, and then I have to reinterpret the sentence. I wonder how it is for native english speakers. Do they assume nothing until the sentence is finished?

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

You are indeed right, my explanation was poor. But for other languages it is very common to get surprised at the end of sentences, yes.

dustyData, (edited )

In English most questions stay flat and only raises the pitch on the last syllable, if any. In Spanish we can raise the pitch on the first word and stay flat for the rest of the question. That’s what’s useful about the ¿

araozu,

Solo me fijé en la ultima palabra, no en la primera. Tal vez nunca me di cuenta que si cambia

curiosityLynx,

In spanish questions intonation changes occur only on the last word(s), not the whole sentence. I’m not a linguistic, but I think it’s so you can be sure a sentence is a question from the start.

That might be the case in the dialect you’re familiar with, but “¿Me dijiste que no te moleste?” has a different intonation to “Me dijiste que no te moleste.” in my Spanish (starting from “dijiste”).

As for English, questions normally start either with a question word or a (auxiliary) verb, while affirmations normally start with the subject. See “You told me not to bother you.” vs. “Did you tell me not to bother you?”. Using just intonation is possible (“You told me not to bother you?!??”), but when in writing, it’s usually formatted in a way that highlights it because it usually indicates outrage/disbelief.

araozu,

Interesting. Afaik what determines a question is a higher pitch, so in your sentence I wouldn’t think of the sentence as a question until I hear the intonation of the last word.

Like, toda la oracion puede tener cualquier tono, pero si la última palabra tiene un tono mas agudo (molesteee en vez de moleste) recien cuenta como pregunta.

Me puse a pensar y escuchar conversaciones, fijandome si el tono cambia siempre en la ultima palabra, o en algun otro lado, y en donde vivo (casi) siempre el tono cambia en la ultima palabra, incluso solo la ultima silaba.

Me pregunto si de donde eres toda la oracion (o, desde “dijiste”) el tono es más agudo, o si usan otra forma para diferenciar?

curiosityLynx,

The higher pitch for the entire sentence is another option in my Spanish, but indicates outrage.

The version where you hear it’s supposed to be a question from the word “dijiste” is more of a request for information, like if your mom yelled something and you’re not sure if she said “No me molestes” or “No te sorpreses” or something else that sounds vaguely similar or if she was actually yelling at a fly that was going on her nerves.

The sentence overall becomes more melodic, with the stressed syllables getting a higher pitch and more defined stress.

jmcs,

In Spanish questions are phrased the same way as affirmations, when you are speaking the only difference is the intonation. Without a mark to say you are starting to read a question it’s possible that the meaning changes in the end which would be annoying. (Source: Portuguese is the same but has no inverted question mark, and sometimes it’s mighty annoying, especially with long questions)

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Yeah that’s true for any language really

IWantToFuckSpez, (edited )

Not really. In my language subject and verb get switched around in a question. So you immediately know it’s a question when you start reading the sentence.

Anamana, (edited )
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Can you give me an example?

Edit: Ok thanks guys, I got it :D

nickwitha_k,

I know you already got it but a few others came to my mind:

Finnish, which not a tonal language:

  • Sinä pidät kahvista. (“You like coffee.”)
  • Pidätkö kahvista? (“You like coffee?”)

Japanese:

  • Anata wa kōhī ga sukidesu. (“You like coffee.”)
  • Kōhī wa sukidesu ka? (“You like coffee?”)

I think you’ll find the pattern of question words/suffixes in nearly every language that is not explicitly tonal.

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Yeah that’s initially why I thought there was no difference to Spanish. But the difference is Spanish actually doesn’t have an option where you switch subject and verb. Didn’t know that :)

nickwitha_k,

Oh. Very good point. I did not know that either.

araozu, (edited )

Maybe

  • I do like cats
  • Do I like cats?

but taken to the extreme?

aka_oscar,

Can you give me an example - Question

You can give me an example - Affirmation

IWantToFuckSpez, (edited )
  • Hij schreef een bericht. (He wrote a message)
  • Schreef hij een bericht? (Did he wrote a message?)
stebo02,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

Zeg eens, waarom wil je zo graag met een CEO slapen?

IWantToFuckSpez,

Fuck Spez daarom

octoperson,

Portuguese is the same but has no inverted question mark, and sometimes it’s mighty annoying,

¿What if you just used them anyway?
¡Problem solved!

Kidplayer_666,

É de facto irritante. Nada como estar na escola e um prof pede para ler. Estás calmamente a ler o texto e de repente tens de forçar a porcaria da entoação para sobrecompensar o facto de que não reparaste que era uma pergunta

tdawg, (edited )

Funny enough English does this all the time:

  • That’s food.
  • That’s food!
  • That’s food?
  • That’s food?!
  • That’s food…

All have different intonations and punctuation but are otherwise the same. Internet lingo does compensate for this somewhat but at least in “proper” form the above holds true for all kinds of situations

schmidtster, (edited )

1 Food that is edible

2 Tasty food

3 Bad looking food

4 Either happy or disgusted at what was just in your mouth

5 Defending your cooking after it’s referred to as 1-4

jmcs,

Imagine if you could ask questions like “James, Mary, and Jack went to the market last Saturday to buy a shovel, a black bag, and some gloves, to bury Karen’s corpse in the deep dark woods?”

Metal_Zealot,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

No no no, James, Mary, and Jack went to the market last Saturday to buy a shovel, a black bag, and some flashlights, to bury Karen’s corpse in the deep dark woods

bdonvr,

True, though doing this makes it sound incredulous.

In Spanish it’s just how questions are.

margaritox,

English can do that too, but it’s not really a “proper” way of doing it. The proper way would be to say “is that food?”

There are languages where the only way to pose a question is to change the intonation.

Littleborat,

But doesn’t the intonation simply go up in the end? So it’s good enough to stumble over the ? in the end.

margaritox,

I honestly haven’t paid attention where it starts going up. But I always thought that doing the two “?”s in Spanish was pretty clever for that reason.

mochisuki, in Just fuck me up fam

Speak up, call your government reps. Your apathy is what they are counting on to avoid change

hydrospanner,

Implying they’d give a damn anyway.

MartinXYZ,

If enough people speak up, they’ll have to.

hydrospanner,

Riiiiiiiiiight.

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

My reps suck lol

Facebones,

Citizens United baby, we were removed from the equation.

registrert,
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  • DragonTypeWyvern,

    Have you properly considered joining a radical militia?

    IHaveTwoCows,

    Waaaah waaaah guns are for meanies waaaah

    EvolvedTurtle,

    I’m more of a fan of guillotines personality More flare

    Diabolo96, in Work is fulfilling and fun 🙃

    Doing excel for 9 hours straight is far better than breathing toxic gases inside a damp,badly lit coal mines tho. Juste saying…

    UlyssesT,

    Doing excel for 9 hours straight is far better than breathing toxic gases inside a damp,badly lit coal mines tho. Juste saying…

    smuglord

    Give it time. Those work conditions are getting gradually worse all over again as the internal contradictions intensify.

    alsaaas,
    @alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Yes of course and eating trash is better than eating shit

    Diabolo96,

    What I mean is that work conditions have vastly improved compared to the last century (thanks to unions). It may be miserable yes but it’s a far cry from the horrible work that our ancestors were forced to endure starting from a young age.

    alsaaas, (edited )
    @alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I get what you mean. Ofc class struggle has brought us many concessions, technology progresses over time and the industrialized countries add more and more abstraction layers to manual work.

    My point would be that we do have to view the working conditions relative to what’s possible at the given time. Given the resources humanity has today, fully automated luxury (queer) space communism is within realistic reach!

    It’s a similar answer as to world hunger: it’s a systematic distribution - not resource - problem. That being artificially created scarcity thanks to a profit and greed driven economic base (capitalism) and inequitable/inefficient allocation of resources (markets)

    Diabolo96,

    I can only agree

    electrogamerman,

    Is it tho?

    Pelicanen,

    Depends on the trash. Depends on the shit.

    Rentlar,

    I suppose that is the 3 largest domino.

    hperrin, in Its getting old.

    I created a new email service that prevents spam and organized your email. If it works out and I become successful, I can imagine Google trying to buy it, and if I say no, all of a sudden Gmail starts having issues receiving mail from my service. Gmail and Exchange together share about 70% of the business email market, so they can destroy smaller competitors if they aren’t willing to sell. Yay capitalism!

    mindbleach,
    257m,

    Oh I haven’t seen that one yet. Beatie’s talks are always great.

    DarkMessiah, in Halloween gag

    Well, world domination can come after we do, yeah?

    IzzyData, in 'political cartoons ARE NOT MEMES!!!' lmao
    @IzzyData@lemmy.ml avatar

    Were photos really called flashlights in 1920?

    HerbalGamer,

    TIL?

    Tar_alcaran,

    Yes. Or rather, it was flashlight photography, as opposed to “old fashioned” photography where you had to hold perfectly still for several seconds. Of course, flash powder existed before, but it was messy, dangerous, flammable and left a layer of white ash everywhere. Most people today would only recognise the pan full of magnesium flash powder from cartoons, but you can probably guess it wasn’t popular at parties or with hobbyists.

    In the 1920s, flash bulbs were the awesome new thing, meaning you could take split second photos, and those could be action shots, and not staged and posed portraits. Taking a flashlight was doable quickly and easily, and of course as we all know, most random photos by random people aren’t great.

    The name photograph was already used for the old thing, so “flashlight” became the obvious abbreviation.

    Anonymousllama, in You have more fun with the FPS counter off

    It’s performance, especially on top of the line hardware (13900k + 4090) is dogshit yeah? Just so we’re under no illusions about the state this game was released in.

    The icing on the cake is colossal orders gaslighting saying that there’s no practical benefit to having anything above 30 FPS, as if there’s not a tangible benefit to playing games at a smooth 60FPS compared to a sloppy 30 FPS

    Dyskolos, in Stock Meme

    I can hardly decipher this blackmetal-bandname. Help?

    agressivelyPassive,

    The German word “Stock” means branch or stick.

    Dyskolos,

    I know, fellow krautlander. It was a joke playing into bm-bands always having names like in this image 😊

    lugal,

    It’s more stick than branch. Branch would rather be Zweig or Ast, I’d say.

    XeroxCool,

    PLIHDVRSIZIKIL

    Dyskolos,

    Sounds brutal. \m/

    rishabh, in 2 genders

    I read it as “Iron man”.

    lugal,

    This took a moment

    MartinXYZ,

    I’m dumb. It took me a lot more than a moment 😕

    lugal,

    Tbh, it was a long moment for me

    FrickAndMortar, in That is fun!

    Looks fun to me!

    Macaroni_ninja,
    @Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

    Absolutely!

    fluke, in O.O
    @fluke@snake.substantialplumbing.repair avatar

    Spill the beans

    blindbunny,

    Lemmings don’t spill beans, we meme the beans.

    Viking_Hippie,

    In capitalist Reddit, beans meme you!

    FastWarfarin, in Choose your vehicle
    @FastWarfarin@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m 24 now and don’t own a car. :)

    Sigh_Bafanada,

    25 and same, despite having a driver’s license for eight years

    zloubida,
    @zloubida@lemmy.world avatar

    34 :-)

    Ser_Salty,

    Same, turning 25 in a month, still no car

    Primarily because I’m very fucking poor and just getting the license costs over 2000€ already

    InputZero,

    You know what’s funny, I recently read a CNBC business article that said auto-makers are saying consumers aren’t buying enough electric and hybrid vehicles. That supply has outpaced demand. You know what they’re not going to do, drop prices like basic economic theory says they should. According to auto-makers the problem wasn’t that they over estimated how popular their products are, the problem is the consumers not living up to their expectations. If we were good little consumers we’d just take on more debt but apparently we’re not cooperating.

    Yerbouti,

    So…? Do you NEED a car? I didnt had a car until 34 because I didnt need one. The only reason I got one was because I moved in a different city and kind of had no choice. But I had many many bikes.

    pimeys,

    39 and I don’t even have a driver’s license…

    moistclump, in No, por favor.

    I read that as m’exit, or a neck beard greeting an exit.

    ProstheticBrain, in Asking the hard questions

    This has to be canon right?

    Sylver,

    Check please!

    qbus,
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