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DudeBro, in It's a curse

Am I the only one who can still have fun while dialing it back a bit? Just “fumble” a few times, fall behind intentionally, and then use your skill to catch back up. If you can’t catch up, your friends win and have fun. If you do catch back up, your friends think it was a close game. Either way you get to flex and nobody thinks you’re a sweaty tryhard and we all get to have fun.

intensely_human,

One of my biggest disabilities is my inability to throw a game I’m playing. I just can’t do it

mykl,
@mykl@lemmy.world avatar

Dad mode activated

rekliner, (edited )

On behalf of the dads: We used to let you win all kinds of shit and you never knew! Then one day we couldn’t beat your anymore… and we had two choices while you gloated: convince ourselves we let you win or let the mid life crisis begin.

FierroGamer,

I’m not big on fighting games, don’t they usually have a handicap setting? How do they work? I’m guessing good ones do stuff like break guard easier and do more damage, right?

Sharkwellington,

Generally it’ll do something like make one person do more damage and take less, but if the skill gap is too big it really won’t make a difference if they can never land a hit. Personally I’m a fan of “I can’t use X” or “I will only use Y.” It allows everyone to still have a challenging and fair feeling time, instead of pounding away at a punching bag that one hits you which just doesn’t feel great for anyone.

darkpanda,

Nah they’d know.

DudeBro,

I mean, if they get mad that you’re not using your full power then they deserve to get styled on. They asked for it, lol.

darkpanda,

I used to school the locals at SF2 and MK back like 20 years ago. This was in the quarters on the ridge, winner sticks, GenX days. I still get recognized in the surrounding towns.

This was all fine and dandy in the rural town I grew up in, but then I did a trip to a major city, out to Vancouver, and I got demolished by the big city kids. It was a disaster. I was getting laid out left and right. Just dummied. Sickened. Was humbled.

Whatever. I still clean up locally on the rare occasion it comes up. One of those guys from the town over ended up working at the same place I did for a while and he was going on about his SF2 prowess, so one day I brought in a Switch with some decent controllers and we went at it. We went 9 games to 1 in my favour in a 10 game series.

lightnsfw,

Back in the day me and my friends played SSB64 and I was by far the best out of them. They banned me from using pikachu because I was unstoppable with him. I just used the characters I was bad with when I played with them so it would be challenging for everyone.

capt_wolf,
@capt_wolf@lemmy.world avatar

I would do this when I was still playing Elden Ring. Signal a fair fight, trade blows a bit, make a few “mistakes” that made it seem like I was playing bad. Then score a “lucky hit” that’d finish them off. That way, they hopefully come out of it feeling like it was a fair fight. If I actually mess up and die, that’s fine too. It’s all in good fun. My goal was just to draw the fight out into something amusing and satisfying for both of us, compared to the 10 second hack and slash, Rivers of Blood/magic spam tryhards you’d get all the time. Those I didn’t hesitate to flex on.

God, I miss that game…

Donkter,

This is part of why super smash bros is so good. Playing against friends who are decent but not as good as you? Play one of your secondaries. Friends are bad but learning? Play a low tier/a character you don’t ever play. Friends are casual gamers/don’t know how to play smash? Spam b moves as a low tier. No matter how good you are you can sandbag pretty hard without your opponent feeling like you aren’t trying/not having fun.

Sharkwellington,

Right you just have to find a sweet spot handicap to use. You can absolutely both be challenged at the same time, just find the right equivalent of tying one arm behind your back.

Kiernian,

This is how we used to do it with SF2 on SNES.

One of us is constantly beating the crap out of everyone else with a particular character? Switch it up.

Or learn to counter whatever they’re doing to win.

Dhalsim’s endless string of “Tiger!Tiger!Tiger!Tiger!Tiger!Tiger!TigerUppercut! You! Win!” was eventually conquerable with the right combination of moves and that wasn’t even player skill, it was a shortcoming in the game’s internal timing (that was bad enough that it overwrote the existing playing sound effect while you were doing it).

WhatsUpDoc,

It’s Yoda fire! And Yoda flame!

Kiernian,

Yeah, oops, I was thinking Sagat and somehow typed Dhalsim.

Dhalsim was YOGA fire, which is I think what happens when they schedule the chili cook off at work on the same day as beginner’s downward-facing-dog practice.

Stamets, (edited )
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

This is exactly what I’ve had to end up doing in a few games. Some games I don’t mind. Like Battlefront 2. I used to play, and win, tournaments in it so when friends call me in to help them with a game or something it’s great because you get a ton of praise and hype. Your friends going “FUCK THEM UP DUDE! YEAH! GO FOR IT!” Or the thanks for helping a friend. But that same prowess meant that (even if there was easily accessible invite pvp) I can’t fight any of my friends. There are ways you kind of can and everytime I’ve suggested it it’s always a resounding and hard no. I’ve had similar levels of skill in other games that I actively tone down around my friends because I want to be able to play against them and not just play with them. I don’t give a shit if I win or lose. I give a shit that I’m hanging out with people who I like and playing games I enjoy.

intensely_human,

I have this problem with the board game Go.

It has a perfect handicap system, and the game sucks if you don’t use the correct handicap, but I simply can’t get people to play me with a handicap because they think it’s shameful. They want to play me without a handicap, then I mop the floor with them.

But we can have a really good game that’s really engaging if we use a handicap.

thatsTheCatch,

Hi, fellow go player here!

You are not alone. I’m the strongest regular at my go club, and when I ask if people want to pay even or with handicap, they 90% of the time choose even. I love the handicap system because it makes both sides have a close game, which is inherently more fun for everyone. And skill progress can be seen when their handicap decreases. The most common complaint I’ve heard against handicaps is that it changes the game too much. It does in terms of joseki and openings, but the important stuff which actually decides games—direction of play, fighting, evaluation of the board—still very much applies.

I travelled to Japan recently and played three games at a go parlour. There was no asking for an even game. The stronger players said the handicap the game would be played with and that was that.

In my country, that probably would be seen as rude because we don’t have that honour system. But maybe the solution is to just be more assertive and declare the handicap anyway. As a stronger player, people respect what I have to say, but I have never felt superior to anyone so I’ve always still asked. But if I say a handicap straight away, that respect means that people would probably just agree and play. And if they say that they’d rather play an even game instead, then we can! Maybe the solution is to make it opt-out instead of opt-in.

brbposting,

Maybe euphemisms? Level adjustment, skill balance, rank difference?

madcaesar,

This is the way! Group games are about everyone having fun, not winning.

Mereo, in Bets on the next one?

For the life of me, I don’t understand why they rebranded themselves. HBO is such a recognized brand. I was confused at first about what Max was.

bitsplease,

Based on my experience working with PR teams and executives - you probably had a bored PR team that wanted to do something that feels important or relavent, and they pitched it to the exec team in a way that made them feel all important and excited (they probably threw in the phrase “lifestyle brand” a few times), so they went with it against all reason

HurlingDurling,

Because they have begun fucking over their customers and don’t want to associate HBO with that

Guajojo,

Ding ding ding, we have a winner

phoneymouse,

Agree. HBO is some high class, quality shit. Max is meaningless. I guess it corresponds with the CEO of Discovery channel coming in to wreck HBO in the same way he did Discovery.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Especially when one of their main competitors was called CineMAX

stevehobbes,

Cinemax has always been owned by HBO. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinemax

4am,

Isn’t Max literally Cinemax’s streaming service, that merged with HBO Now to form HBO Max, and is now back to being just Max?

This is the part that was, for some reason, never communicated to anyone. HBO streaming didn’t rebrand, they were absorbed into Cinemax.

jaybone, (edited )

Didn’t Cinemax originally run a bunch of porn?

Next iteration should be CliMax.

EDIT I think back in the day it was jokingly called skinamax for that reason.

someguy3,

One business analyst figures it’s a new guy trying to establish his mark and/or his midlife crisis.

TropicalDingdong,

MBAs have to justify there existence some how

DumbAceDragon,
@DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s like Twitter rebranding to X. It’s extremely detrimental to the brand, but it makes some executive feel really good about themselves and that’s all that really matters apparently.

Amilo159,
@Amilo159@lemmy.world avatar

The only X I’ll ever recognise is my man X to the Z, Xzibit.

I just call the dead blue bird a Twatter now.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Pimp My Streaming Service

epyon22, in Biggest piece of shit in movie history

Are we bringing the fuck grampa Joe community to Lemmy?

Seraph, (edited )
@Seraph@kbin.social avatar

By being on the Internet you agree we all hate Grandpa Joe. It seems redundant.

BruceTwarzen,

Yes please, we need this place to me more like le epic narwhal beacon place

recapitated,

Yes. We’re getting tired of these corporate handouts. Grandpa Joe needs to get off the corporate teat.

sebinspace,

I mean… you gonna do it?

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

I always think the reason they never got out of bed is they had a 24/7 old person orgy, so the other three were always fucking grandpa Joe.

AnonWyo,

We know what sort of porn you watch.

Also, username checks out.

MacedWindow, in "Now, here's what I would do..."
@MacedWindow@lemmy.world avatar

It can be easier to open up to UltimateTrollWarrior95 than to someone you know irl who has expsctations for how you should act and show your emotions. I once had a deep conversation about life with some rando on Town of Salem.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

That’s sort of the design of therapy: a neutral 3rd party who you can open up to without the usual conversational rules.

Except you probably don’t call your therapist “UltimateTrollWarrior” (or maybe you do, I don’t know your life).

Remmock,

A standard Troll Warrior simply would not suffice.

Risk,

Please could you tell me how to contact your Ultimate Troll Warrior? Do I need to go on a quest?

Remmock,

First you must locate one. Watch an entire season of Ultimate Troll Warrior (an American show imported from Japan). You will likely locate one. You may have to watch more than one season. Afterward, rely on technically-savvy stalkers to dox said Warrior. Contact them using that info, but be very careful not to come off as awkward. I recommend rehearsing in front of a mirror a few times.

EatYouWell,

Except an internet stranger can’t send you to the grippy socks hospital if you say the wrong thing.

Lmaydev,

That’s really not how therapy works.

EatYouWell,

Yes it is. Your therapist can absolutely put you in an emergency medical hold if you talk to them about thoughts of suicide. It’s happened to thousands, if not millions of people.

Lmaydev,

Only if they think you’re an immediate threat to yourself or others.

I talked about suicide a lot in therapy.

EatYouWell,

Just because your therapist didn’t 5150 you doesn’t mean that it hasn’t happened to others.

Lmaydev,

Exactly why therapy is so useful.

I could never tell my family and friends part of me hated them because their love guilted me into not killing myself.

OneWomanCreamTeam,

I’ve definitely spilled my guts to a number of internet strangers. It’s nice to not have repercussions for my crazy.

UnfortunateShort,

Town of Salem is great, but at some point you realise screaming the loudest often wins lol

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Oh man! I tried that game and literally the first 15 minutes was some asshat talking over everyone and getting upset nobody was listening to him.

Uncertain if the game sucks or people suck. But I uninstalled so fast.

Transporter_Room_3, (edited )
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

I once played 3 hours of modern warfare 2 with the same group back in the day, just because some guy was pouring out his life story and how much life sucked for him around the time. He sent me a quick “thanks for letting me rant” message and I didn’t hear from him again for years.

Then out of the blue I get a message that’s basically a letter, and it’s all about how life was difficult but some random person taking the time to listen without judgment made all the difference for his plans that night.

So I will never cut someone off to tell them I don’t have time to listen to their problems, or pull out my phone to play a game, get annoyed with someone who won’t stop talking, whatever… Sometimes all a person needs is someone to listen.

SerotoninSwells,
@SerotoninSwells@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you for being a kind person.

Hadriscus,

that’s beautiful

Smoogs,

Yup I remember going through a phase where it was like “I don’t have time for this person’s jabber” and it would annoy me that they wouldn’t get to the point.

Meanwhile I could find all the time in the day to do meaningless things to take up my time like playing a game. Which is totally self serving.

Then I realized this was a me problem. Not a them problem.

I really hate who I was back then. Now some of my relatives do jabber on but it’s totally ok. I make space for that now cuz jabbering is part of relationships and that’s how some people communicate and listening is a part of healthy interaction.

Raine_Wolf, in toilet humour

PSA: For maximum hygiene, close the lid BEFORE you flush.

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

closes lid

Sits down

Shits on lid

Flushes

Raine_Wolf,

Dad, you’re drunk!

rostby,

My name’s not dunk

bratosch,

Taking ‘Upper decker’ to the next level

cor315,

But then how am I supposed to look at my poop swirling down the drain?

smeg,

That’s the real reason I installed that camera under the seat

elvith,

And how can I stand in front of the toilet and pee into the flushing toilet then?

Tavarin,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

Mythbusters found it makes no difference in the spread of fecal matter. Toilet lids aren’t perfect seals.

shplane, (edited )

Do you have a source? I googled it and this site said that Mythbusters found the opposite - theplumbingauthority.com/…/mythbusters-plumbing-e….

Tavarin,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

Going off memory of the episode.

And from what I recall your source is leaving out the part where they found poop particles everywhere when they flushed with the lid down as well.

db2, in Roughing it

AI really doesn’t understand anything. You could sneeze in the general direction of that thing and it would tip over.

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Ai understands perfectly what I want. It also understands it doesn’t have to be real

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Yes sir I see your 3 titty woman wallpaper but what are you ordering?

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Hey hey, Al Bundy has something here, a million dollar idea!

it falls over anyway but it is damn cool until it does

Tb0n3,

Also the mirrors are unusable by the driver, and the right side mirror isn’t even connected.

oce,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

It’s just holding on with superconducting magnetism.

glitch1985,

the right side mirror isn’t even connected.

Never heard of Bluetooth? Wireless my guy.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot, (edited )

“Wireless” is a scam. You ever open one of those things up? Absolutely full of wires!

thanks_shakey_snake,

And they seem to be outward facing…? Designed to briefly blind its enemies so it can escape, maybe?

sour, (edited )
@sour@kbin.social avatar

there's a light with no source

casmael,

That’s because it’s not intelligent, it’s just artificial

cm0002,

You say that like humans don’t have a long list of “inventions”/designs that totally wouldn’t/didn’t work but built it anyways lmao

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

I feel personally attacked

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

Just look at the history of the artic explorer that got outperformed by a stock vw Beatle

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Was that a Top Gear special?

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

No it was a project back in the 1950 I think and it was this big mobile lab but because there was this belief that rounded tires preformed better in the snow the builders sanded the tread off the off-road tires they got also the engines while they had plenty of torque the fastest the artic explorer could go was 2 mph and when it finally arrived at the artic it got stuck immediately and moved faster in reverse the scientists got soo fed up with constantly digging the 70ton paper weight free that they just gave up and started using it was a small stationary base until the ice under it broke then 20 years later vw sent a bone stock Beatle that managed be the first car to drive across the artic with 0 issues

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Yeah, I was conflating two different Top Gear specials; one where they drove to the North Pole in pick-up trucks and another where they drove across Botswana and were out-performed by a stock Beetle.

Imgonnatrythis,

It understands my camping needs.

pewpew, in We did it?
@pewpew@feddit.it avatar

I’d say to my kids: “I was there when it was written”

CptEnder,

“It’s true, all of it”

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

“Even the shitposts?”

Especially the shitposts!”

PlainSimpleGarak,

My man.

ForestOrca, in Skirts are breezy and comfortable. Fuck off.
@ForestOrca@kbin.social avatar

"They are not women's clothing. I bought them. They are mine." Eddy Izzard

synae,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Ah, but now she’s Suzy Izzard, this line has a whole new context in which to be explored

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

I already know what you’re getting at but arguments in favor of breaking gender stereotypes aren’t made invalid if the person who originally made them ends up identifying as trans. I know that lots of people like to use situations like that as “evidence that people who break gender stereotypes are just trans-in-denial” and/or a justification for harassing GNC folks (r/egg_irl and r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns were especially awful about that back in their heyday) but it’s very important to recognize that GNC people are valid in their own right, and trying to generalize them as transgender is hurtful and enforces the toxic gender stereotypes that hurt people.

Oh and before someone tries to twist my words around. No a trans woman wearing a dress doesn’t enforce gender stereotypes, what enforces gender stereotypes is to say a person (i.e. a femboy) is trans because they wear a dress without their input on the matter.

synae,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Oh I’m definitely not trying to make a statement about gender identity or any sociological ramifications thereof - at least, I don’t mean to. In not thinking about my comment that way when writing it, I hope there isn’t a mean-spirited reading of it!

I was thinking more in the realm of comedy, how jokes are constructed, and what makes them funny or interesting. This classic line from a legendary comedian has recently had a new wrinkle added to it, and I find that interesting. I am curious to hear Izzard’s take on it, if indeed she’s even given it a second thought. (I imagine she has, but I wouldn’t dare assume to know her mind)

Hope that makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts

tooren,

I agree with your point. But a guy who wears a dress isn’t inherently a femboy. Which I know isn’t what you’re saying but it can be interpreted as having that implication.

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

That is a good point, a person who wears a dress isn’t necessarily a femboy. Some certainly are but plenty also aren’t. It wasn’t my intention to imply that wearing a dress makes someone a femboy and I can see how it enforces gender stereotypes to a deree. In the end a skirt or a dress is a piece of clothing, which inherently do not have gender and saying someone is a femboy for wearing those clothes isn’t great if the end goal is to break away and be free from these stereotypes.

Zuberi, in Lies, deception!
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The amount of amazon > google grift in the comments as if they’re not both spying on you is so cute :)

funkless_eck,

personally I think its better to be afraid of real things that are happening than things made up by Facebook boomers.

why this particular issue fools even the most technical of people I’ll never know.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

What made up by Facebook boomers, that devices can be used to listen and collect data on users?

funkless_eck, (edited )

obviously what you vaguely describe has been around since 1945.

That home assistant devices are constantly listening and feeding back marketing data on every conversation is patent and disproven nonsense.

they have done packet sniffing investigations, they have disassembled the devices, they have run meters on the electrical charges… everything in every way you can imagine.

But even if you just think about it for a second - processing a live audio feed at a rate of 1 second per second indefinitely and correlating that data via voice recognition to your Google profile all to… make your ad personalizations… worse? more inaccurate?

like what the hell is the perceived benefit? That my wife says, “oh my dad found my old barbie house!” while at my neighbors house and my neighbor gets served barbie ads? Why would Google want that?

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

LOL :)

WoahWoah,

At some point ever you’re going to realize is that the real things you need to be afraid of are largely caused by the stuff made up by Facebook boomers.

funkless_eck,

what specifically? vaccines cause autism/monkeypox, the democrats drink baby blood, trump won the last/next election, Putin is good because he’s only killing Nazis in Ukraine, forest fires are caused by Jewish space lasers, LGBTQ+ folks are grooming children and Bill Gates wants to put microchips in your brain?

Like — what are you saying, some misinformation is good?

WoahWoah,

I’m saying people believe those things. Roughly half of all voters. And those beliefs cause damage, and it will affect you, whether you think it’s stupid or not. You can ignore it and insult it all you want, but it’s not going away. Perhaps you’ve noticed?

funkless_eck,

Right, so if “gOoGLe iS reCoRdiNg yOu” is false, it makes sense to call that out, no?

WoahWoah,

K

glitches_brew,

🤡

WoahWoah,

I appreciate how much time and attention you’re giving me! Thanks!

Blackmist,

But Facebook can’t spy on me, I repost the “I DO NOT GIVE FACEBOOK PERMISSION” spam every 3 months without fail!

EnderMB,

Source: I work at Amazon, and have worked on Alexa

They don’t spy on you without your permission. Comments like these devalue actual instances where companies genuinely steal and manipulate data. Take the tin foil hat off…

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Source: Trust me bro

EnderMB,

If you had any remote idea about the tech industry, you’d know what kind of reputation Amazon has. If Amazon were stealing data, you can bet your ass that one of its employees (probably one of the ~6% that gets fired every year) would happily rat them out.

Comments like these amaze me. Even cesspools like Reddit and Twitter wouldn’t be so out of touch and stupid.

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

EatYouWell,

They’re not completely wrong, though. If the devices are phoning home when the mic is disabled, then someone would have discovered it by now. There are people who do that shit for fun, and Amazon is a big target.

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As someone who has Google Home and used to have Alexa:

I have network tools tracking what these devices are doing just to see if they are constantly listening or doing anything weird.

In 4 years I’ve yet to see anything suspicious, which sucks, cuz it’d be worth so much fucking money to the media

Igloojoe,

Consent could be argued that it was given upon purchase of the Alexa unit…

Viking_Hippie,

Source: I work at Amazon, and have worked on Alexa

If you’re high enough level at Amazon to know for sure, you’re also high enough level at Amazon to almost definitely lie to people about it and other things as part of your job.

So no, we will not be taking your word for it.

intensely_human,

So your theory as to why you haven’t seen evidence is that there’s a conspiracy of people withholding the evidence. I gotta ask, do you have evidence of that conspiracy?

EnderMB,

That doesn’t make any sense. If I were “higher up”, do you think I would be actually doing any IC work? I’d be in management, and probably won’t even know where to look at any of the fucking source code.

Feel free not to take my word for it, but also feel free to ask anyone that has any experience with Alexa, or anyone that has monitored traffic leaving the device.

Is Lemmy just full of conspiracy nuts or something?

Viking_Hippie,

If I were “higher up”, do you think I would be actually doing any IC work

If you weren’t, why would you have access to enough data to know for sure whatv every part of it does and doesn’t do?

free to ask anyone that has any experience with Alexa, or anyone that has monitored traffic leaving the device.

So basically biased people and people who might lose their jobs if they say anything Amazon doesn’t want people to know? Sure, sounds credible!

There’s conspiracy theories and then there’s expecting that a company that has been proven to spy on people without their knowledge will spy on people without their knowledge.

EnderMB,

That’s not how it works, at all, at ANY tech company. I know, because Amazon has a shared GitFarm, with detailed documentation on how things work, and most importantly the better part of a decade where no one inside or outside of the company has found the device “listening”.

I said it elsewhere, but will repeat since you clearly have no idea about the tech industry. Amazon treats it’s corp employees like shit. If ANYONE was going to leak shit about their employer doing something shitty, it would be an Amazon employee, especially since their URA process is so widely known.

IF Amazon get caught spying, they get everything that they deserve. I’ve never worked in the Ring org, so whatever they do is on them, and if they get caught being shitty with customer data they should be punished severely. What I can say, which (again) is backed by a decade of people not calling out the really-fucking-easily-verified fact that Alexa isn’t phoning home outside of the utterances you say to it. Wakewords don’t leave the device, they’re an offline trigger to get the “actual” content.

I’ll repeat it again, this is an insane take that I haven’t experienced after a decade of posting on Reddit and Twitter. Why is the fediverse full of conspiracy theorists that don’t do basic research before making statements?

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Your general demeanor is atrocious.

Genuinely.

If you think they’re not spying then you’re just still way too low on the totem pole.

You “work at Amazon” so I imagine you’re either deluded or intentionally misleading on purpose.

It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

SimplyATable,

Any level of technical knowledge in this is enough to know that they aren’t listening through your echo

squidman64,

lol they are such stereotypical conspiracy theorists too, “of course you’d say it’s not true, that’s exactly what someone who was hiding the truth would say!”

Viking_Hippie, (edited )

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  • EatYouWell,

    You might want to take your own advice, buddy.

    Zangoose, (edited )
    @Zangoose@lemmy.world avatar

    Tell me you’re not a software developer without telling me you’re not a software developer.

    If you’re working on the code the only thing that might change is not having access to the release/staging environments (production databases, cloud server, etc.) but you would need access to the code itself (and development database/services), so it wouldn’t be too difficult to check if the code is keeping voice recordings

    (italicized is edited in for clarity)

    Additionally, the higher up you are, the less code you usually write. With software development being higher up usually means more meetings, team management, planning, and higher level infrastructure talk.

    (Obligatory disclaimer that I’m pretty new in software development, this is the experience in the company I work at and seems to be pretty standard among other companies as well)

    EatYouWell,

    They’d also be violating their NDA.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    NDAs are null and void for illegal activity

    EatYouWell,

    Illegal activity was never being discussed.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Depends on if you think essentially wiretapping someone’s house is illegal

    EatYouWell,

    The discussion was about Amazon not doing that

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    I know? I wasn’t disagreeing with you

    helenslunch,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    They don’t spy on you without your permission.

    You should probably edit your comment to clarify that they don’t listen to you.

    “Spying” doesn’t really have a clear definition in this context. Amazon employees have been caught spying on customers through their cameras, and giving away clips to authorities without “owners’” consent, consult or notification.

    EnderMB,

    True, that is more accurate. IMO, in those instances, Amazon get all the shit that they deserve…although for many instances these are in their terms of service. There has been no shortage of scandals where Amazon have used utterance data for training ML models, or where they’ve retained voice data for the same reasons, when these have been in the TOS from the beginning.

    FeelzGoodMan420, (edited )

    These threads are always full of fucking bootlickers and paid shills.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    And also full of people unironically using the term bootlickers

    FeelzGoodMan420,

    It wasn’t meant to be ironic.

    Stumblinbear, (edited )
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Yes that’s what I said. You unironically using it. Cringe.

    intensely_human,

    Overlaps between people who say “bootlicker” and people who can’t read? I’m shocked

    Quadhammer,

    Found the boot licker

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    What a fascinating and insightful reply

    Zuberi,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Plenty of unironic bootlickers out there, no?

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Plenty of people unironically using it believing it’s an actual argument

    TimeNaan,

    It’s not. It’s an insult towards people who can’t be argued with, because they just love the boot.

    intensely_human,

    I see so many attempts to argue with people before the bootlicker insult comes out. At least I know it’s being used correctly and not as some kind of defense against thinking or engaging.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    I see the exact opposite. I’ve never seen it in a context other than shutting down a discussion before it can be had.

    masquenox, in How's this plan progressing?

    Wouldn’t that actually double the amount of homeless people?

    mossy_,

    They’re not friggin planarians

    Potatos_are_not_friends,

    At first, I thought you meant planetars (from D&D), and I didn’t know about that piece of trivia and felt inferior as a nerd.

    But no, you really meant planarians (from reality), which is a science word and I now feel inferior because I am a moron.

    Planarians are flatworms (phylum Platyhelminthes) found in freshwater bodies and their regenerative abilities have been documented for centuries (Pallas, 1766; Dalyell, 1814). Planarians can regenerate new heads, tails, sides, or entire organisms from small body fragments in a process taking days to weeks.

    mossy_,

    Friend, you’re not a moron just cause you didn’t know about some relatively unknown aquatic creature. You just got out-nerded this time 😎

    NoIWontPickaName,

    The really weird part is that I actually did know.

    What I don’t know is when, where, or how I got that information.

    AA5B, (edited )

    Many of us did know from like Middle or High school or some part of our education, but who would have thought you need to think about school to understand Lemmy

    NoIWontPickaName, (edited )

    It’s called the wolverine effect, I can’t remember where I learned that ironically.

    We all know what a wolverine is, but can you tell me where you learned it from?

    It probably has a fancy name like “memory source origin amnesia” or something, but it basically goes along the lines of your brain not remembering where you learned something, you just remember the thing.

    It’s why propaganda is so effective even on people looking for it.

    mossy_,

    Are you the alt domain for the person I was talking to or someone random injecting themself in the conversation? Either way I’m happy you acquired knowledge at some point in the past

    Buddahriffic,

    I’d love to help you with your question, but I have no idea.

    mossy_,

    Thank you for trying. Frankly, what would an internet forum be without random interjections from persons with no stake in a conversation.

    NoIWontPickaName,

    Just a random, opining on random esoteric knowledge gaining.

    lurch,

    Only for a very short time

    AeonFelis,

    Bet they’ll still sell them at full price.

    AA5B,

    Maybe it’ll double the number of homeless but the amount will stay the same

    Ranvier, (edited ) in Who else is ready for an "invasion"

    But the aliens wouldn’t share the resources with us, or maybe like just a pittance to keep us alive so we could be used as cheap lab… oh I see where this is going.

    Nobody,

    We’d settle for straight up feudalism at this point. Serfs had guaranteed jobs, housing, food, and a decent amount of time off.

    ininewcrow, (edited )
    @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

    I wouldn’t mind being part of a work crew building a futuristic ray gun aimed at destroying a planet 30 light years away that I know nothing about.

    At least I’d get lunch right? … Right?

    themeatbridge, (edited ) in Bastards. SHARE YOUR TECHNOLOGY

    They are called “casement” windows, specifically turn/tilt operation, and they do exist in the USA. They are typically more expensive than vinyl double hung, and home builders tend to shy away from anything “different” that might scare away home buyers. That’s why you don’t see them very often.

    But if you want them, you can buy them and have them installed. You can even get them in patio door sizes, but the larger the door, the heavier it is when it tilts.

    It’s really common for people unfamiliar with the door function to lift the handle and think it’s locked, and then a strong breeze blows the door inward. Between the noise and seeing the door falling inward, it can be pretty scary.

    Source: I worked in construction in the US with European builders who loved these things and couldn’t figure out why Americans didn’t.

    zod000,

    My expensive vinyl double hung windows in my previous house actually had a casement-like feature and I could easily remove either part. I loved those windows; I wish I could have taken them with me.

    shalafi,

    I have windows like this in America. But you need 3 hands to work them. I’d kill for a simple lever like that.

    themeatbridge,

    You should be able to tilt or turn from the handle. Is it too heavy to maneuver with one hand?

    Orbituary, in You don't have to do this!!
    @Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

    Changing from Edge to Chrome is like changing from Coke to Pepsi for health reasons.

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    I find edge uses less resources of my computer, I can have it open while on youtube while I game but I can’t do that with chrome.

    Rincewindnz,

    On my surface go 2 I get a better experience in terms of battery life etc than with edge than the others (I’ve experimented with chrome and Firefox). So I just use edge on everything for the sync stuff. Sure has a ton of “helpful” stuff in it I have to hide it turn off though.

    Daxter101, in Lies, deception!

    So, I don’t trust them to have actually done what I’m going to describe, (and honestly I’ve just accepted that even with everything off, they’re still giving me ads based on stuff I’ve only talked about and never clicked or written anything), but:

    The programs that recognize specific phrases(Ok Google), are always separate from normal voice recognition (and much much lighter in terms of processing). So, if they weren’t Google, they might have left the “Ok Google” recognition on, but not process anything else that the mic receives.

    They’re probably still listening in though.

    rockSlayer,

    I will say that that’s exactly how the google voice api works. Of course it’s all in a black box, but that’s how the documentation describes it and how it functions when making a voice app

    SuckMyWang,

    Didn’t they just pass a law to make all that illegal spying legal, like that changes anything? Seems obvious if your phone is listening in a device like this will be used no matter what setting you use. I remember Amazon being caught leaving their mics on and also Facebook sending conversations to 3rd parties for transcribing. And this is just a small fraction of the shit we know about.

    EatYouWell,

    That was for government spying, not private.

    SuckMyWang,

    I thought private spied for government? Or government did it anyway

    EatYouWell,

    It was just expanding what the federal government is allowed to do without a warrant, but you’re right in that they were probably already doing it.

    SuckMyWang,

    So how are they doing it if the mic is supposedly turned off to google and on to spying?

    EatYouWell,

    They’re not, but they are capturing all of your web traffic.

    SomethingBurger,

    What you describe is actually how it works. If they actually sent all you say to their servers, it would be trivial to detect with a network analyser.

    Blackmist,

    And if they were found to be sending it all the time, holy fuck the fines would end the company.

    EatYouWell, (edited )

    Lol, what are you talking about? When was the last time the FTC ended a company over shady privacy practices?

    Amazon would get a fine that would amount to like 0.001% of one day’s profits.

    helenslunch,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    They’re probably still listening in though.

    Maybe? But also I’ve never seen any evidence of them listening with the mic off or without you saying the “wake word”.

    BossDj,

    Not necessarily you or your case, but I’m still convinced that a lot of people just have confirmation bias (only noticing it when it happens and discounting the thousands of otherwise innocent ads). There’s also subconscious ad effects, like you were only talking about it to begin with because your saw it somewhere because it’s been spreading by weird of mouth from people who initially saw an ad

    EatYouWell,

    Most of it is people on the same network as you searching for a thing.

    RGB3x3,

    It’s not just that either. Google knows who your family is. They know who lives with you because of location data. So any time those people search for anything regardless of whether they’re on your home network, they likely serve ads to whole families at a time when one person searches for something.

    trafficnab, (edited )

    This has been my theory as well, Google presumably knows when I meet up with a friend for lunch (I don’t know if they go to such lengths but they certainly have access to the data to figure it out), if my friend then starts searching for something related to our conversation afterwards, Google could serve me ads about it too, just inferring the topic of our conversation based on that

    iheartneopets,

    Doesn’t really explain why I was receiving cat litter ads after only speaking with my husband offhand about maybe getting a cat. We didn’t already have a cat, so hadn’t had any reason to look up any cat care goods ever, and I had never searched for anything even remotely cat-related up to that point. But wouldn’t you know it, about 45 minutes later, I was getting kitty litter ads. Very spooky.

    BossDj,

    Sorry but I want the true story to be that your husband immediately went off and started googling to find a cat to surprise you for Christmas thus you got cat ads (same network like someone else said).

    iheartneopets,

    Lmao, I wish but no, no hallmark movie plots here. This was a few years ago, and we now have said cat :) He definitely forgot immediately after I mentioned it until I showed up with a cat one day lol

    brbposting,

    Why listen and risk even a slap on the wrist?

    Recall Target:

    As Pole’s computers crawled through the data, he was able to identify about 25 products that, when analyzed together, allowed him to assign each shopper a “pregnancy prediction” score. More important, he could also estimate her due date to within a small window, so Target could send coupons timed to very specific stages of her pregnancy.

    One Target employee I spoke to provided a hypothetical example. Take a fictional Target shopper named Jenny Ward, who is 23, lives in Atlanta and in March bought cocoa-butter lotion, a purse large enough to double as a diaper bag, zinc and magnesium supplements and a bright blue rug. There’s, say, an 87 percent chance that she’s pregnant and that her delivery date is sometime in late August.

    SpaceNoodle,

    That’s the gist of how it likely works; the wake word is detected by an “always on” audio DSP, but a software mode prevents the passing of microphone data back up to the SoC. I’m actually quite familiar with Amazon Echo engineering design, and they implement the “mute” feature in a manner that takes privacy seriously: the LED indicator on that button is hardwired to only turn on when the microphone is literally powered off. Thus, an Echo device can’t even manage such a cheeky response, nor can a software bug or hack enable listening while the mute button is lit.

    rockSlayer, in Utterly insane

    I hope Garry becomes a monk that makes no wage. At that point there’s literally no point in continuing waged work

    Coskii, (edited )
    @Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    He was interviewed/was the topic of a Darknet Dairies Podcast. It’s his side of the story as well as some of the facts around the case. Don’t know how accurate it is, but it is interesting all the same.

    Episode 136

    Lev_Astov,
    @Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

    At this point, I’m pretty sure I’d just fake my own death.

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