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yamapikariya, in Not noice
@yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com avatar

Ratio >= 2.00

asbestos,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

I always set to 15 and to stop after 7 days of inactivity. Feels good

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Yup, I have mine set to 5.00 and four weeks. Because sometimes I download old/obscure stuff that can take a few weeks to even get new activity. But if it’s active, I can at least get to the 5.00 ratio before stopping.

If I have a VPN and upload speed limits set, there’s very little reason not to.

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

W + ratio + yo ho ho + 🏴‍☠️

JDubbleu, (edited )

Myself and one other person have been upholding a torrent of the movie Holes since last June. My ratio is over 30, and I can only imagine how large theirs is since they were the only seeder when I downloaded the movie. I’ve cleared out some older torrents since then, but I’ll be damned if Holes ever comes off my home server at this point.

Edit: The torrent for those who asked


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JusticeForPorygon,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

Might just need to go download Holes now

BlackPenguins, (edited )

It is a fantastic movie that’s held up well over 20 years. I watched it once as a kid and again a couple months ago and was like damn this isn’t just a kid’s movie, it’s layered.

misophist,

My seeding rules are simple. If it comes from one of my private trackers or it contains Shia LaBeouf, I seed it forever. Everything else is auto-removed from my client when ratio reaches 2.0.

Klystron,

Can I ask what client you use? I want to implement the same auto-remove on qbittorent but idk if I’m just not seeing that setting or what.

misophist,

I use transmission, but share ratios are pretty common and I’m almost positive qBittorrent had the same options when I last used that one several years ago.

Look in your settings for “Set share limit to” “ratio: x.xx”

You can set a global share limit in your settings, and you can modify the setting for specific torrents when you add them or any time by digging into the torrent’s properties.

My defaults are to seed to 2.0 ratio, and when I queue something up manually from one of my private trackers, I manually change the setting for that specific torrent to permaseed.

Blue_Morpho,

What VPN do you use? I used Mulvad in the past but I’ve read they stopped port forwarding so torrenting is broken with them now.

Emerald,

Not OP but I recommend AirVPN

misophist,

I use Private Internet Access (PIA). I’m honestly not sure where it rates on the “good vpns” scale, but I get port forwarding through open VPN on Linux and my connection is still pretty fast. It does what I need it to do.

lemming741,

Same, but wireguard. Sometimes I’ll find my port closed so I made a cron job to check and swap if needed.

Mr_Blott,

My “one” is an 18gb folder of every episode of Fred Dibnah

Rescued it from a dying torrent and have been seeding for a decade. Ratio is about 100/1

kn33,

Got that one? I wouldn’t mind having it or helping out

JDubbleu, (edited )

Edited the magnet link into the original comment. Seems like it’s a bit healthier than when I last checked but the more the merrier.

lemming741,

It hit 25mb/s towards the end. I shall permaseed alongside my brothers 🫡

grendel, (edited ) in Someone didn't think out the implications.
@grendel@lemmy.world avatar

All see here is really bad math. If he’s worth 400mil and she buys him for that, he’d be worth 800 and she’d be left with 700. Thus he’d be able to buy her and still have 100 million! Circle is closed.

DumbAceDragon, (edited )
@DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works avatar

You fool! Now she has 1.4 billion, and can buy him for 100 million. This was her plan all along!

Tar_alcaran,

This ignores legal realities about property and transferring wealth. When she buys him for 400mil, she will briefly place the money in escrow, reducing them to 700 and 400mil. Then, when he becomes her property, Taylor also gains his assets, reaching 1.5 billion when the escrow is released.

DragonTypeWyvern,

I mean, you’re assuming she’s buying him from him, historically speaking there was some violence and a third party involved.

grendel, (edited )
@grendel@lemmy.world avatar

Wait. Is this something really profound you stumbled upon? So you say they started with 1.5bil combined, but after first purchase her assets go up to 1.5bil and his assets go to .8bil, so their combined assets would be 1.5+.8=2.3billion. Extra 800 million without producing a thing! I think you’ve just found infinite money glitch.

postmateDumbass, (edited )

Yeah no.

Her assets: ~1.5b

His assets:

jalda,

but after first purchase her assets go up to 1.5bil and his assets go to .8bil

Nope, his assets go to $0, as they belong to her now. What you propose is the economical equivalent of a perpetual motion machine

grendel,
@grendel@lemmy.world avatar

his assets go to $0

And to whom then Taylor Swift pays said 400million? They just disappear? Or do you assume Kanye is already owned by someone and the money goes to his actual owner, not Kanye himself?

Da_Boom, in Gastronomical Masterpiece
@Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Soy sauce

OpenHammer6677,

This is the only way tbh

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

Fish sauce and butter is nice too.

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Yo soy sauce

Lucidlethargy,

But like, with a bit of mayonnaise, right?

Da_Boom,
@Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

If you must

signor,
  • sesame oil
Da_Boom,
@Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Alright, now we’re moving towards a stir fry, ngl kinda want a stir fry rn now.

Llamajockey, in Bob and the bobcat

Fun to think that the mammal in the first picture is a 100 times more deadly

Jon_Servo,

I’m not a huge fan of your concept of “fun.”

Viking_Hippie,

So his merriment involves a few more knives than yours, perhaps a chain saw, land mine or two? Don’t be so narrow minded!

RIP_Cheems, in Still haven't found the right amount of mind bleach for this one...
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar
KpntAutismus,

“what in the cinnamon toast fuck is this?”

berkeleyblue,
@berkeleyblue@lemmy.world avatar

A very relatable Cini Mini

rostby,

Crave those pusy pussies

tacotroubles, in Fishing

Hopefully the “other fish in the sea” i keep hearing about

MargotRobbie, in Brave truth teller.
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

“This is a real quote, because nobody would ever pretend to be a famous person just to lie on the Internet.” - Margot Robbie, Internet forum moderator and occasional actress

Noodle07,

The ressemblance with the actress is striking

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

I did have a movie out this year and may have promoted it just a little bit here.

Ookami38,

Wait you mean academy award winning actress Margot Robbie? She has some good quotes.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

But see, I finally got you to say it. 😁

Also, Academy Award Nominated, and hopefully finally winning it on the next one for Barbie.

Ookami38, (edited )

Ah fair fair. I am not a movie person, and less an awards person, I just remember seeing you post that all over lol. Good luck!

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

If saw definitive proof that the person behind this account was anyone other than Margot Robbie, no I didn’t,

if_only, in A good deal of IT work, too

Googling does become a hell of a lot easier if you know what the concept you’re looking for is called.

MeatsOfRage,

I find myself going to ChatGPT for this stuff now.

“I’m trying to do something like [concept]. What is that called and can you give me an example”

Usually I get my results faster and easier than Google.

hemko,

I had an emailed a question that I didn’t really know where to go with, so I asked Copilot to answer the email factually. Sent that email with a note of ai origin, but it was close enough and got us into right track

hswolf,
@hswolf@lemmy.world avatar

be careful using it as your only source of truth, even more so when you don’t know what you’re searching for exactly

Nahdahar, (edited )

You can ask it for source now with browser integration. Previously the browser extension was a separate model with gpt3.5 which was pretty bad, now it’s just integrated into gp4. It works a million times better and it’s great that it doesn’t break the flow of the conversation.

redballooon,

If it spits out the wrong syntax my compiler will tell me immediately.

punkwalrus,
@punkwalrus@lemmy.world avatar

While I never had it happen, it could give you wrong command line switches that do damage. For example, when I asked how I could list volumes attached to an AWS instance, it gave me a “modify-volume” command instead of “describe-volume” command. Thankfully, I caught that before I cut and paste it.

redballooon,

Oh yes. With that sort of thing better double check each time.

hswolf,
@hswolf@lemmy.world avatar

had a similar problem searching for gcloud commands

psud,

It’s bad enough at programming that you can often see the problems without the help of the compiler

Last thing I asked it for, after the fourth draft still had undeclared variables and called imaginary libraries (which if they existed would be great)

It was good for coming up with a nice structure for a small program

foo,

You can say the same for Google

umbrella, in 'We are splattered here today'
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

ever notice how this is getting rare?

we used to get a rain of bugs when travelling by car at night on back roads.

M137,
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

Not just back roads, it used to be almost everywhere. Even riding your bike you often had bugs smash into your face. It’s really eerie now that it’s not a thing anymore.

problematicPanther,
@problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

15 years ago i couldn’t go for a run without getting a bunch of cluster flies in my teeth and eyes. now, i hardly see them anymore. and not just because i don’t run as often.

PatMustard,

Improved car aerodynamics I guess

Zoboomafoo,

That was my first thought as well, it seems to be borh

PatMustard,

I did a quick search after the other replies came in, scientific consensus seems to be "more research required to be scientific about it, but looks like there are way less bugs about’

toynbee,

Moreso the bug apocalypse.

PatMustard,

Yeah that does seem more likely

XEAL,

And less bugs around

M137,
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

You say that like you think everyone has newer cars. It’s absolutely not about that. It’s our destruction of the climate, which has killed off the majority of insects.

ramirezmike,

remember how white vehicles were always covered with dead bugs? and how people used to put nets on their front bumper?

Gerudo,

There are scientists who actually study bug strikes on vehicles. They use it to measure insect decline, and if you’re wondering, it’s massive. I think one article I read had it as high as 40% over the last 20 years in some areas.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

It’s all my fault. I accidentally hit an entire swarm of bees with my car in the 90s and it’s all gone downhill from there. Hell of a thing to clean off.

SocialMediaRefugee,

We’re paving over open space as fast as possible

ThatWeirdGuy1001,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the same with birds.

Growing up I used to get woken up by the sounds of thousands of birds tweeting and chirping.

Now I’m lucky to hear a bird that isn’t a crow

9point6, (edited ) in We're totally screwed

First I’ve heard of these so I looked into it

It’s basically a continuation of VIA’s x86 tech (they sold the cyrix processors for a while if anyone remembers them). I assumed it was just copyright theft, but these are legitimately licensed x86 chips.

Apparently the current generation of these is like the Ryzen 3000 series, but I can’t find any actual benchmarks, so I’ll take that with a bit of salt. I doubt they will have the same power efficiency as the OP ones since the clock is apparently at 3.7GHz.

This is much cooler than I initially realised though. A viable 3rd player can keep competitor prices down so we would all benefit even if most of us aren’t buying these chips

Fudoshin,
@Fudoshin@feddit.uk avatar

I think I had a Cyrix 233 at one point in the 90s. Can’t believe we’ve got calculators that are faster than that now!

themoonisacheese,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

Gamers Nexus tried one a while back. It wasn’t great but it ran.

thisbenzingring,

The cyrix line of cpu was always far behind intel and amd. They ran super hot too. One time we wanted to see how much we could overclock one and it burned itself through the motherboard!

umbrella, (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

the current generation of these is like the Ryzen 3000 series

They are not like Ryzens, they are actual Ryzens made in collaboration with AMD. They have a few differences but its pretty much the same chip, same performance. I think they are still making these chips.

IIRC they still update their old VIA-based chips in parallel for embedded applications or something. Don’t quote me on this one, it has been a while.

9point6,

I thought the Chinese AMD chips were called Hygon or something like that?

In fact a quick google suggests these are two different CPU lines, but I might be getting it wrong

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

Its been a long time since I read about it, I’m the one probably getting this wrong.

Iampossiblyatwork, in Venus by Tuesday

climate.gov/…/understanding-arctic-polar-vortex

As of 2021 the science was not settled on the ice loss as a cause or an affect. This article goes into both theories.

MajorHavoc,

That’s a bit like the investigation into whether lethal bear attacks are because of their teeth or their claws - probably really interesting, but not critical to the question of avoiding the bear.

Iampossiblyatwork,

This made me laugh.

Kusimulkku,

But a fair point when someone says it’s due to one as part of their argument

Slovene, (edited )

I was led to believe it’s both. Global warming causes ice loss which contributes to global warming which causes more ice loss which contributes to global warming which causes more ice loss …

Krauerking,

Interesting. I would love to work on that kind of data model, as there is an interesting thing to point out with the movement of the polar vortex:
It dips further south to follow along land mass.

I wonder if the wind currents have an easier time maintaining speed along flat surfaces or if the water being warmer causes pockets of higher pressure further north than usual pushing the vortex to be more unstable looking.

It feels like it makes sense that the current would be much more stable along a surface that is more consistent and thus loss of ice smoothing the surface would cause it to wobble but inertia still remains the same meaning it needs to push down elsewhere where there is less resistance.

So I would lean towards ice loss as a cause of changing polar vortex stability but I kinda gave up that ability to do anything about this or study such things a while ago.

ray, in Headlines be like

Boomers are buying diamonds - why?

Aleric,

Because they were brainwashed into believing they’re somehow valuable and a good investment that retains its value, despite them actually being neither of those.

Awkwardparticle,

It’s funny because once the diamond is on the ring and sold it becomes worthless, the metal in the ring may be worth more than the stones after it leaves the store. I had thousands of dollars worth of diamond jewelry and could barely get a few hundred for it.

FireRetardant, in Why is this so hard

Just buy reusable mesh bags and stop wasting plastic to protect your produce for a 20 minute car ride.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

in sweden we have paper bags that are then used for food waste recycling at home.

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

There’s no way I’m getting to my car when opening a bag is this hard

Valmond,

“Joke about the inability to open a car because the inability to open a little bag”

;-)

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

The joke is the same as in the picture. As in: since I’m having so much trouble opening this bag I will never get to my car because I’ll be stuck here trying to open this bag. Hope that helps!

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

We still reuse the plastic bags around here… so, not a total waste I guess.

SocialMediaRefugee,

Best part is I can carry 2-3 fully loaded reusable bags vs 12 flimsy plastic ones that split and overflow.

SiegeRhino,

“just put the fruit in the cart” gang represent

brlemworld,

Right? Just gonna wash it anyway

Awkwardparticle,

You’re a savage, go back to the forest.

Dicska,

Just dump all the loose blueberries into it.

Death_Equity,

I put them in my pockets and hope I don’t bump into anyone.

halcyoncmdr,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Not all of those bags are the same.

The produce bag rolls at most stores around me are compostable now. They are also breathable and will keep the produce fresh longer when left in the bag.

Empricorn,

Compostable means they can be recycled, which isn’t as good as reusing, which isn’t as good as reducing.

Reduce>Reuse>Recycle

chicken, (edited )

The “waste” is negligible; doing some napkin math, a 20 minute car ride accounts for 300 times higher carbon footprint than a plastic produce bag (can elaborate if you want). A reused mesh bag is going to be less hygienic and less convenient, and factoring in the higher footprint of production and distribution (produce bags come in packs of thousands) you would need to get a lot of reuse out of it to even be worth it. Considering impact of disposal, as long as you live somewhere that has sane waste disposal and doesn’t empty their trash into the ocean it’s not going to be significant either.

tdawg,

everything that helps helps

brlemworld,

It’s less about the carbon and more about the fact that it doesn’t degrade. It’s plastic pollution.

starman2112, (edited )
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

People need to get some perspective on plastic waste. I’ve seen no end of complaints about how my 3d printing hobby is responsible for climate change… In my country, we produce >200 kg of plastic per capita. My 1kg spool of vegetable-derived plastic is not to blame for passing 3°.

chicken,

I think it’s just since it is a visible thing, and because alternatives are products you can buy and be seen using, it becomes a prime target for scolding and virtue signalling.

ImFresh3x,

It’s like complaining about a phone charger being left in the socket when the windows are open with the AC on.

Those produce bags weigh like 1/4 of a gram. Those produce reusable bags weigh like 30 grams. Most people lose or break, or toss the reusable produce bags before using them 120 times. It’s feel good bullshit for high consuming Whole Foods shoppers. And it’s a distraction.

To be clear, I’m all for reusable grocery bags, and generally against single use items. But the produce bags are so thin and light, they’re probably the least problematic.

thezeesystem, in Always look on the bright side of life

Isn’t jail just slavery according to the 13th amendment? Iirc at least.

erev,
@erev@lemmy.world avatar

The prison complex doesn’t want you to call it that, but yes. The 13th amendment makes a specific exception for slavery if the person is imprisoned. That’s why prisoners “work” for way below minimum wage in a variety of jobs that they probably didn’t choose. Not to mention that the majority of prisoners are people of color…

Addition,

Only if they force you to work.

andthenthreemore,

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

(emphasis mine)

Addition,

That is correct. Not sure if you were trying to dispute my comment but to clarify, the remark I was making is that slavery =/= imprisonment on its own. Slavery = imprisonment + work.

ynthrepic, (edited )
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

It is torture on its own, which might be the more critical point. The extent varies, but spending time in most of the world’s prisons still break your mental health in ways that will only make reintegration back into society harder in the end.

We almost all know this already, which is the tragic part.

huginn,

spending time in most of the world’s prisons still break your mental health in ways that will only make reintegration back into society harder in the end.

True only in specific cases: mostly your statement is bullshit.

There are far, far too many innocent people in prison: far too many who never deserve to be there. Many who fit the description of harder to reintegrate after the experience.

But prison absolutely can be the right thing for some. There are criminals who will not reintegrate without reform, and the prison system serves that purpose in more enlightened countries. Look at recidivism rates outside of the US to see how some people can reform with time away from society.

We need prisons. I expect 90% of people in prison are worse off from the experience but that 10% is important to society.

Kase,

Could you clarify for me - are you agreeing that prison time in most cases is harmful? Or that it’s only bad in specific cases? Or maybe, are you saying that most prisons are good, but only for ~10% of the people who spend time in them? Please correct me if I’m way off lol

huginn,

Prisons are a nuanced topic that cannot be boiled down to categorical statements, but I’ll do my best here to clarify.

You have 2 different cases for prisons: prisons as a concept and prisons in reality.

Conceptually prisons serve 2 important roles: separation and rehabilitation. Both roles are important for the continued functioning of society. You cannot have a functioning society with no separation of criminals from the population. Similarly without rehabilitation the separation needs to be permanent. In some cases there is no rehabilitating someone, so life sentences exist.

In reality: only a very small subset of prisons match the conceptual purpose because there is still a strong group of voters who think a prison should be a punishment.

To consider a specific case, let’s take the infamous US prison system. In the United States rehabilitation is the exception, not the norm. Beyond that the carceral system has perverse incentives to perform that role of societal separation on the maximum number of humans possible without concern for innocence. It’s not an accountable system and it is not democratic.

Even with those perverse incentives: you still have prisoners in prison who would need to be there even in the most perfect system. Plenty of people in prison need to be there. The system fails to rehabilitate them and only serves to separate them from society, but that role of separation is an important one.

I’d argue that the US prison system is overwhelmingly negative for the society but it still performs a core societal role. Despite that: I personally know excons who have had dramatic changes from time served and are better people for the experience. Some percentage of the population benefits.

I don’t buy into anarchist utopian handwaving that states that prisons aren’t necessary: people suck and would suck regardless of governmental style.

Does that help clarify?

Kase,

That did help, thank you!

dingus,

I’m not at all excusing it, but don’t prisoners technically get paid for their work? It’s just some horrifically pathetic wage like $0.50/hr or something like that.

Whippygoatcream,

You are not wrong

themoken,

Earning a pittance doesn’t mean they’re not slaves. They’re slaves because they can’t quit. Prisoners have basically zero agency in their lives.

AnxiousOtter,

Slavery doesn’t have anything to do with compensation. Slavery is about the absence of choice.

anzo,

Worker’s rights, unions, and the choice to quit…

Lemmyvisitor,

what is the alternative

JimVanDeventer,

Not… slavery?

Lemmyvisitor,

what do you want to happen to people who commit crimes then

GoosLife, (edited )
AnxiousOtter,

Not… Slavery? Nobody said prisoners need to be used as slave labour. The removal of freedom is sufficient punishment.

Kase,

I was curious how many people in prison are forced to work. If this source is correct, it’s about 2/3. But the conditions of that work are apparently worse than I’d thought. Here’s the original report (posted last year) and an article with a summary. Correction is welcome if this is inaccurate ◉⁠‿⁠◉

jol, (edited )

Doesn’t matter… Had sex? 🥹

Kase,

Sorry, what?

Kusimulkku,

Well in the US it is I guess

afraid_of_zombies, (edited ) in Bible

People swore oaths in their testicles. The words testimony, testes, and testament all have the same root. Thus the Bible is composed of old balls and new balls.

Edit: spelling.

rockerface,

I’ve always known the Bible is just a load of bollocks

afraid_of_zombies,

It is. Before my deconverting I was going to study it professionally. You know what a profound moment for me was? I knew that latter authors/editors had changed the text. What dawned on me was that the reason they felt like they were allowed to lie was because they grasped that the people before them were lying as well. They weren’t doing some sorta Stalinesque rewriting of their history they were writing fanfiction.

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